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2025 Oct 6, 12:38pm   2,709 views  244 comments

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( Previous China threads merged into this one 7 Oct 2025. See https://patrick.net/post/1210872/2012-04-02-patrick-net-suggestions?start=622#comment-2213014 )

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166   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2022 Nov 24, 2:38am  

Phoneconn workers fight cops during strike at Apple 19th Century Sweatshop.

https://odysee.com/@YoungCoconutMusic:a/foxconn-iphone-zhengzhou:c
167   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Aug 20, 3:20pm  

China's post-pandemic rebound hasn't materialized and it faces mounting economic obstacles.

Beijing is grappling with declining trade and foreign investment, a shaky housing market, and deflation.

Experts say most of China's issues are self-inflicted, and warn that policies must change to improve confidence.

The world's second-largest economy isn't growing, producing, or trading as much as it usually does.

The pandemic rebound that China and the rest of the world were anticipating has yet to materialize, and official data suggests there's a long road ahead before the economy is back on its feet.

China's National Bureau of Statistics announced Wednesday that consumer prices dropped annually in July for the first time in two years, dipping 0.3%, just slightly better than median estimates for a 0.4% decrease.

The People's Bank of China is now facing the opposite problem of the Federal Reserve, which has tightened policy for 18 months in a bid to tame soaring prices. Deflation — the trend of prices falling throughout the economy — presents a particularly dangerous trajectory for China, which carries a massive amount of debt.

"Deflation means the real value of debt goes up," David Dollar, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute's China center, told Insider. "High inflation we know is bad, but it does help manage debt burdens over time. Deflation does the opposite."

Bloomberg estimates total household, business, and government debt at about 282% of annual economic output.

The latest figures add to the anxiety that's already been swirling about what growth could look like for the rest of the year, and JPMorgan strategists cautioned that China risks a 1990s-style "Japanification" if policymakers don't address the housing market, financial imbalances, and aging demographics.

Officials in Beijing have urged experts not to portray data unfavorably, according to the Financial Times, asking economists to "interpret bad news from a positive light."

The numbers make this difficult:

Year-to-date, China's exports are down 5% compared to last year, while imports have dipped 7.6%
Manufacturing activity has contracted for four straight months
July exports declined at the sharpest rate in three years, at 14.5% annually
"Before the pandemic, China was growing at about 6%, and now it's struggling to recover," Dollar said. "Consumption really didn't hold up coming out of the lockdown. The main components of GDP on the demand side — consumption, investment, net exports — they all have serious problems right now."

Politicization of the economy
Increasingly, China's US-led Western trade partners have turned elsewhere. Global demand for Chinese goods has cooled, even as Russia ramps up trade with Asia amid its war in Ukraine.

The US Census Bureau reported Chinese exports to the US dropped 23.7% in June, hitting a six-month low of $42.7 billion. That reflects both the Biden Administration's "de-risking efforts," as well as a general pullback in spending as central banks around the world raise interest rates.

Near-shoring trends have also picked up since the pandemic. Mexico, for example, has emerged as America's new biggest trade partner, blowing past China with US bilateral trade totaling $263 billion through the first four months of the year.

Dexter Roberts, author of "The Myth of Chinese Capitalism" and a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told Insider that much of Beijing's troubles stem from its politicization of its economy.

Embedding Communist Party members in corporations and prioritizing state-run firms, he said, has dragged on domestic productivity, spooked the private sector, and made the country less attractive for foreign investment.

"A lot of companies now feel China isn't the market of the future," Roberts said.

To that point, China's foreign investment gauge plummeted to a 25-year low in the second quarter.

A shaky property market
Most of China's economic troubles tie directly into its property market.

China was able to skirt deflation in 2009 and 2012 on the heels of the global financial crisis, but today's housing market complicates policymakers' current battle.

Notwithstanding recent price declines, property values have appreciated dramatically since 2009, and fiscal stimulus measures may not have the same impact as before. China's allowed developers to over-build, and now the inventory glut has crippled major developers.

Last week, Country Garden Holdings — once China's largest developer by sales — failed to make millions of dollars' worth of coupon payments on its bonds, and it anticipates reporting enormous first-half losses.

Similarly in July, Chinese developer Evergrande, which made headlines in 2021 with a massive debt default, recorded a two-year $81 billion loss.

Real estate accounts for about one-fifth of the country's economy, and the sector's headwinds include hefty debt and weak demand from homebuyers. Home transaction volumes across 330 cities in China cratered 19.2% year-over-year in June, according to a Beike Research Institute study, and values have dropped 23.4%.

The slump helps explain China's weak second-quarter GDP, which came in lower than expected at 6.3%.

"Housing prices are going down, so people aren't making purchases," Roberts said. "So much of people's wealth is tied up in the property sector, so when they see values go down, they decide to save for the future and not spend. The Chinese government won't be able to lift the property sector without that confidence."

The long tail of China's one-child policy
Even if Beijing could somehow remedy its other issues, years of a one-child policy may have long ago crippled its economy for decades.

In 2022, the population shrank for the first time since 1961, and the consulting firm Terry Group said the country is on pace to lose nearly half its population by 2100.

But it's not just population decline that weakens China. It's the climbing proportion of elderly people.

In 1990, 5% of Chinese people were 65 or older. That's at 14% today, and could surge to 30% by 2050, per Terry Group. By their estimate, China could lose an average of 7 million working-age adults each year by the next decade.

Already, working-age couples have to support aging parents, education costs for children are climbing, and confidence in the economy is low.

For China to have a shot at improving demographic conditions, experts say Beijing will have to unwind its long-standing household registration system. The policy, which dates back to the 1950s, makes rural-to-urban migration unfavorable and difficult, as it ties social welfare benefits to where people are born.

Roughly a quarter of China's population works in agriculture — well above the 3% mark in the US — and that presents its own productivity limitations.

"I'm skeptical they'll do it, but if Beijing did away with household registration, it would mean a large portion of the Chinese population that's treated as second-class citizens would start to spend more, have more confidence in the future, and drive more productivity across the economy," Roberts said.

Rocky decade ahead
China's laundry list of issues point to a rocky decade ahead.

From an unstable, debt-ridden property market to anti-business policies and demographic issues, Beijing has plenty to tackle if it hopes to match the same growth as decades past.

Geopolitical hurdles involving the US, Russia, and other trade partners present further headaches for President Xi Jinping, but experts say the focus should be on domestic issues.

For Dollar, he expects China to eke out 5% growth this year, as Beijing forecasts, but without financial or demographic reforms, growth could hover closer to 3% for the next decade.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-economy-deflation-markets-property-real-estate-housing-beijing-2023-8?op=1



168   indc   2025 Jan 19, 8:09am  

https://youtu.be/p5ymyWB5pis?si=4iLEmtMBkkxHCygf

I am not an economics major. Is there something wrong in her calculation?
169   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Apr 22, 8:47pm  

Why are 90% of China's leftover women panicking? In this video, we explore the deep emotional struggles and social pressures faced by older unmarried women in China. From anxiety among China’s leftover women to the dating pressure on women over 30 in China, this video dives into the harsh realities of aging in a marriage-centric culture.

We discuss why it’s harder for Chinese women to get married, the psychological shift of unmarried women at 35, and how even their compromises can’t keep up with their declining value in China’s marriage market. As women lower their dating standards, they still face rejection—highlighting the gender inequality in Chinese blind dating and the marginalization of older single women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2e2GpFa6BI

The actual video is tough on "Leftover Women", so I think this blurb is to protect the account from Youtube Police.
170   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 May 6, 7:27pm  

In honor of @MolotovCocktail

Chinese tell the truth about their economy tanking, things becoming more expensive, putting a fake face on everything. From the price of pickled vegetables to useless housing investments. Even rice is down 30%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zOdLs0rTZw
171   stereotomy   2025 May 6, 9:36pm  

PeopleUnited says

The tariffs on Chinese imports are effectively an act of war. Not literal war, but economic war. Of course they deserve to have the war brought to them for their relentless trampling of human rights for decades on end. The question is, how long before this economic war turns into a kinetic war?

The Chinese have been conducting asymmetric warfare against the US for over 40 years, to the point where they consider it their right to ass fuck us six ways from Sunday. Boo fucking hoo.
172   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 May 6, 9:40pm  

In one of the videos, they call ultranats "Pink Flags" and say that Xi should bend the knee in secret but say he won't in public. Also that they won't put up with "Three Years of Natural Disaster" a reference to the Great Leap Forward to starve themselves on behalf of the CCP (that they know is corrupt AF).

The ironic thing is that ENDING (one-sided) FREE TRADE may bring the vaunted Democratic Reforms Free Traders have been claiming were right around the corner for 20 years before they realized how retarded they looked saying it.
173   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 May 6, 9:51pm  

Another thought, there was a recent graduate in the housing/real estate industry talking about how he had to sign I guess what is an NDA saying that the market is great if anybody asks, including his friends in school for real estate. He says nobody in his office has sold one property in the last 2 months.

What happens when everybody stuffs their money in apartments hoping to sell them in hard times? And everybody wants to sell them at the same time?
174   PeopleUnited   2025 May 7, 12:40am  

stereotomy says

The Chinese have been conducting asymmetric warfare against the US for over 40 years, to the point where they consider it their right to ass fuck us six ways from Sunday.

Correction: American globalists have collaborated with the Chinese Communists to screw the Americans. Sure the Chinese communists suck, but the American collaborators suck even more for selling us out.

The question remains however, when will China begin the kinetic war, and who will they attack first?
175   PeopleUnited   2025 May 7, 12:50am  

AmericanKulak says


He says nobody in his office has sold one property in the last 2 months.

Two houses have sold in my small neighborhood in the past two months.

And the book sale at our local school just broke a record for sales.

They keep building more apartments nearly everywhere you look!

By these accounts the economy is just fine. Which is not to say that things can’t happen to change that quickly. War, rapture, or other black swans could be just around the corner. Mass deportation would surely reduce housing demand, And likely also drive up wages some as demand for workers increases. And supposedly we are going to bring some manufacturing home which should also drive up wages and support house prices.
176   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 May 7, 1:32am  

PeopleUnited says


Two houses have sold in my small neighborhood in the past two months.

This was in China.
177   WookieMan   2025 May 7, 2:34am  

PeopleUnited says

The question is, how long before this economic war turns into a kinetic war?

The Chinese cannot get a warship across the Pacific. They wouldn't even get into international waters if it was deemed aggressive. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47589 Shipping vessels are way different. Made to move tonnage and hold a ton a fuel. Chinese made ships to be fast for the South China sea.

This will be an economic war only. I'm not sure I'd call it a war either. They cannot win any form of war. You now got Pakistan and India going off, so any good relations with them are on the back burner right now. Russia is busy. They're surrounded by US bases and that doesn't include subs and aircraft carriers that could be moved.

Without using nukes the Chinese would lose most of their naval fleet. They'd lose airstrips. Biden screwed up with Afghanistan. I think Trump did too. Should have kept Bagrham (sp?) and some long range bombers there. You could attack from 4 different directions and there is no Chinese military anymore in a week. Maybe 48 hours. I'm sure we know where any nuke silos are. No economy and no military would bring China to the ultimate crash.
178   PeopleUnited   2025 May 7, 3:13am  

AmericanKulak says

PeopleUnited says



Two houses have sold in my small neighborhood in the past two months.

This was in China.

That sounds about right. This is going to cause a lot of trouble for China.
179   PeopleUnited   2025 May 7, 3:15am  

WookieMan says


This will be an economic war only.

I’m not suggesting that China will certainly retaliate against the USA with military force. But I am suggesting that the suffering Chinese people may soon be put to the task of war with someone if nothing else to keep them occupied. Who that someone is, is speculative.
180   WookieMan   2025 May 7, 5:43am  

PeopleUnited says


Who that someone is, is speculative.

Major neighbors are battling each other. And maybe that's part of a long term plan. But they're not gonna get help from anyone is my point. While they still have a ton of people I don't think they have the experience or equipment to fight any conventional wars at this time.

I could see internal warfare, just not a full blown civil war or uprising by the Chinese. Human rights wise the Chinese won't play by the rules and we'll have no way of knowing without embedded spies. It's a large country with no free press, so who knows what the hell is going on.
181   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2025 May 7, 5:59am  

WookieMan says

ust not a full blown civil war or uprising by the Chinese.

Fourth Turning in Chy-Nah?
182   RC2006   2025 May 7, 6:00am  

Could be a world 4th turning since we are all linked to WW2
183   Robert Sproul   2025 May 7, 7:13am  

PeopleUnited says


the American collaborators suck even more for selling us out.

The activities of many of these people, Biden's, Pelosi's, and hundreds more, are patently traitorous. The dismantling of American manufacturing decimated cities and towns across America, set the stage for mass death from addiction, and weakened the native culture for its eventual destruction. Society can't survive without the meaning and purpose provided its citizens by gainful employment. The vision that is presented by the UBI Tech Traitors is the vision of a prison or an Indian reservation, or a prison ON an Indian reservation.
187   Booger   2025 Aug 27, 9:51am  

It's quite rational:


188   AD   2025 Aug 28, 10:54am  

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Chinese Spies Hit More Than 80 Countries in ‘Salt Typhoon’ Breach, FBI Reveals
The campaign also touched some 600 companies and went beyond conventional espionage, an FBI official says

A Beijing-linked yearslong espionage campaign that hit U.S. telecom companies and swept up Donald Trump’s phone calls actually targeted more than 80 countries, reaching across the globe to a far greater extent than investigators initially understood.

The scope of the intrusion allowed Chinese intelligence officers to potentially surveil U.S. citizens’ private communications and track their movements around the globe, Brett Leatherman, the FBI’s top cyber official, said in an interview. The agency estimates that the intruders likely obtained more than one million call records and targeted the telephone calls and text messages of more than 100 Americans.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/chinese-spies-hit-more-than-80-countries-in-salt-typhoon-breach-fbi-reveals-59b2108f

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189   Patrick   2025 Sep 26, 8:22am  

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2025/09/25/neon-pulls-body-horror-film-together-from-china-theaters-after-censorship-of-same-sex-wedding-scene/


‘Together’ Pulled from Chinese Theaters After AI Used to Make a Gay Wedding a Heterosexual One


I approve of this action by China, 100%.

Male homosexuality is always a tragedy, never a good thing. It spreads disease and shortens lives. It is spread principally through homo-pedophilia, leftist teachers, and movies like the one China is altering. No one was ever "born that way". That's just a self-serving lie.

China does a lot of things I don't like, but it is protecting its people from Western decadence here.

People have the right to fuck up their own lives, but not to show movies to impressionable kids promoting, say, fentanyl and needle sharing. Promoting homosexuality is just like that.
190   stereotomy   2025 Sep 26, 9:05am  

Patrick says

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2025/09/25/neon-pulls-body-horror-film-together-from-china-theaters-after-censorship-of-same-sex-wedding-scene/

‘Together’ Pulled from Chinese Theaters After AI Used to Make a Gay Wedding a Heterosexual One

I approve of this action by China, 100%.

Male homosexuality is always a tragedy, never a good thing. It spreads disease and shortens lives. It is spread principally through homo-pedophilia, leftist teachers, and movies like the one China is altering. No one was ever "born that way". That's just a self-serving lie.

China does a lot of things I don't like, but it is protecting its people from Western decadence here.

People have the right to fuck up their own lives, but not to show movies to impressionable kids promoting, say, fentanyl and needle sharing. Promoting homosexuality is just like that.

I tell based people - at least 90% of homos are made, not born, by being molested at a young age. The people who get it repeat the meme.

This is how we win - speaking truths as we can.
191   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Sep 26, 11:44am  

stereotomy says


I tell based people - at least 90% of homos are made, not born, by being molested at a young age. The people who get it repeat the meme.

This is true, almost - not every but almost - homosexual is molested as a kid by a relative or neighbor or authority figure. The number of "Natural Homosexuals" is very very small.
192   stereotomy   2025 Sep 26, 12:25pm  

Yes, we have to be careful. Mathematically, we can prove the inverse of "always" just by a single counterexample. This is what the fags latch on to. We need to argue statistics, specifically Granger causality, which posits that an event post another event, is largely caused by that event, controlling for all other events; namely, a young boy being raped by a fag.
198   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 9, 9:01am  


Breaking — Unverified Report:

An insider within the Chinese Communist Party has reportedly disclosed that Xi Jinping suffered a sudden stroke earlier today. His condition is said to be extremely critical, and emergency medical treatment is reportedly in progress.

According to the same source, Premier Li Qiang, who is currently on an official visit to North Korea, has allegedly been ordered to return to Beijing immediately. The information comes from a single insider source and has not yet been independently verified. Given the potential significance of the development, the report has been released prior to full confirmation.

Observers note that a clear indicator of the situation will be whether Li Qiang continues his North Korea visit—if he does, it may suggest that Xi’s condition is not as serious as claimed.


https://x.com/jenniferzeng97/status/1976260368625258605
199   WookieMan   2025 Oct 9, 10:28am  

MolotovCocktail says

Breaking — Unverified Report:

An insider within the Chinese Communist Party has reportedly disclosed that Xi Jinping suffered a sudden stroke earlier today. His condition is said to be extremely critical, and emergency medical treatment is reportedly in progress.

Oh boy. For whatever reason I was just looking at Russian oil exports. If China falls apart that could be a big domino falling for Russia if there's a power grab in China and things go haywire for 6 months or longer. Could cause issues for Putin and turmoil there. If true this will be interesting. From everything I've watched and read the CCP is a shit show and Xi runs everything basically.
200   preed   2025 Oct 9, 10:30am  

MolotovCocktail says

An insider within the Chinese Communist Party has reportedly disclosed that Xi Jinping suffered a sudden stroke earlier today. His condition is said to be extremely critical, and emergency medical treatment is reportedly in progress.

Rumors of Xi having a stroke have been circulating for years. They are always discredited. There is no corroborating evidence.
201   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 10, 9:23am  

WookieMan says

Xi runs everything basically


True.

After Mao, the ChiComms set up a system within the party where nobody would be a dictator again. Then Xi came along.
202   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 10, 9:24am  

preed says

Rumors of Xi having a stroke have been circulating for years. They are always discredited. There is no corroborating evidence.


Yes. That is why I put the words Unverified Report in bold
203   KgK one   2025 Oct 12, 4:42pm  




While usa dems fights about gender pronouns. Or on other white supremist racist men treat all monorities like shit,
china has taken over.

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