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rpanic01 says

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1112106_heres-how-mazdas-hcci-engine-works

Dead on arrival.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/19/economist-announces-death-ice-finally/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29
The Economist Announces The Death Of The ICE (Finally)

" For example, when the car is cruising at a consistent speed on the highway or during low-load situations around town"

Good luck! Remember the Cadillac V-8-6-4?

The ice bans are merely political and do not root in any understanding of the matter. Easily reversible. As to the actual performance of this engine, we will see.

Where I live in N. California, the electricity comes from burning natural gas. The best idea was a natural gas Honda Civic but they aren't sold any more, too bad.

The electric car I like is the Chevy Bolt; it's $30,000 and has a 238 mile range. Charging it with 11cent/kilowatt hour electricity will give you a "fuel cost" of 4 cents/mile, which is a lot less than my car buring $4/gallon gasoline in expensive California.

If I lived in S. Florida again I would consider the Bolt because electricity is about 1/3 the price as in N. California, and I don't drive far when I am down there; I don't want to visit Miami Beach or Disney World, etc.

The govt. subsidy is disappearing from the cars pretty soon.

clambo says

Where I live in N. California, the electricity comes from burning natural gas.

Your area sounds like the exception. When I looked at energy figures for California a few years ago, the majority still came from coal/oil.

NuttBoxer says

Your area sounds like the exception. When I looked at energy figures for California a few years ago, the majority still came from coal/oil.

Huh? Coal is about 1%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_California

- Natural gas - 50%
- Hydroelectric - 16%
- Nuclear - 15%
- Geothermal - 6%
- Wind/Solar/Biomass/Other - 12%
- Coal - 1%

Nice rant by OP.

Suggest the EV haters test drive a Chevy Bolt, Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro or a Tesla if they can afford one.

My Chevy Bolt is simply the fastest and most fun car I have ever owned. I don't even care about the environmental benefits. I am driving a car that is faster than 95% of the cars on the road, super convenient to charge up in my garage and I am saving over $200 month in gas and maintenance.

I am giving up nothing and gaining loads in terms of performance and cost savings.

We're coming to an interesting fork in the road ahead. On one side we have EV's that have failed in virtually every promise they made back in 2009, when Obama swindled American tax payers. Then gave billions to failed start up green companies. Tesla was one of them. The incentives was supposed to be all about how they would get cheaper after 10 years. But here we are they are still need Subsidies.

Now we're seeing Gas cars getting creative with engines and are getting closer to the 50 mpg mark. They are also chocking the car full of high tech innovations and more sensors that want to communicate information back to the Mother ship. Metro PCS is selling a module you plug into a slot for ten bucks. I guess every car manufacture has provided a standard protocol and socket for it. The current generation of vehicles are starting to see the most advanced stuff in their base model cars. This in turn is making new cars un-affordable for most people. new If this trend continues. I don't see myself buying the next generation of Mazda 3 or what ever new model they may come out with.

Everything has been made a premium for buying a car.

Fuel efficient = Premium $
Economical = Premium $

They are so standard and alike. I'm seeing more Luxury car manufacturers copying Mazda and Hyundai designs.
I saw Alpha Romero Mazda CX-9 the other day at the grocery store parking lot. I parked my wife's car next to it. Got the same curves, the lines, the style the back. All the same.



Every car is a luxury car now.

socal2 says

Huh? Coal is about 1%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_California

- Natural gas - 50%
- Hydroelectric - 16%
- Nuclear - 15%
- Geothermal - 6%
- Wind/Solar/Biomass/Other - 12%
- Coal - 1%

I didn't use wikipedia for my numbers, but as I mentioned, has been a while since I checked. But fact is California, the poster-child for alternative energy, still relies on oil.

Tenpoundbass says

On one side we have EV's that have failed in virtually every promise they made back in 2009, when Obama swindled American tax payers. Then gave billions to failed start up green companies. Tesla was one of them.

Huge failure!

*Tesla becomes best selling premium automaker in US, topping BMW and Lexus*
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-number-1-premium-automaker-q4-2018-us-bmw-lexus/

*Tesla = #1 in Luxury Cars in USA, #4 in Luxury Vehicles*
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/09/tesla-1-in-luxury-cars-in-usa-4-in-luxury-vehicles-possibly-5-cleantechnica-charts/

*Tesla Outsells Mercedes-Benz In America And BMW Is Next To Be Toppled*
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/10/09/tesla-outsells-mercedes-benz-in-america-and-bmw-is-next/#2d3aca997562

How much money did Obama give GM?

NuttBoxer says

I didn't use wikipedia for my numbers, but as I mentioned, has been a while since I checked. But fact is California, the poster-child for alternative energy, still relies on oil.

I thought we were just talking about electricity generation? I believe your graph includes transportation.

If the Green morons in California didn't decommission 2 of our nuke plants, we would be relying on less natural gas too. But natural gas is a good bridge energy to help reduce our emissions while improve the alternatives.

clambo says

he best idea was a natural gas Honda Civic

Nah, the range sucked and the filling stations were few and far between. If filling up at home was allowed that would be the whole 'nother story.

PS. And it's still a fucking Civic.

Now I’m interested in the Chevy Bolt!
I’m all about economics, and I understand where the energy comes from.
Electric motors are just super great for fast acceleration and reliability, as well as being far less on maintenance, and cheaper to operate.

Duke Power in Moss Landing makes the electricity where I live in N. California.

There are a several reasons I like the idea of an electric car, socal2 owns one and likes driving it.

Electric cars can be useful for most driving use of cars; most trips are well within the range of 50 miles round trip. But, the Bolt can handle an actual "road trip" somewhere also with a 238 mile range.

An electric motor driving the wheels is efficient because it means you don't need a gearbox or transmission and clutch; this is a heavy complex piece of equipment in a car.

The cost of electricity at night can drop and of course the power plants are not as busy at night so this is maybe a good use of them anyway.

But, the other is the "fuel" cost of driving the car can be as low as 4 cents/mile ($0.04). Some cars can get higher mileage than my car which gets 30 mpg on the freeway but only about 20 mpg around town.

20 mpg with $4.00 gasoline in California=20 cents ($0.20) per mile which is a lot more than 4 cents per mile.

Electric cars have smooth acceleration and torque. But, you will use your battery up if you stomp on the pedal because it costs energy to accelerate any mass.

F=MA Both the rate of acceleration and the mass of the car will affect the energy you use up in city driving.

RE: Honda Civic is a good car and the range was not so bad; unfortunately there were few places to fill up and it wasn't popular enough.

I would buy a Chevy Bolt in a heartbeat but I own a Volvo S60 T5 with an engine made in Sweden and assembled in Belgium so I may die before the car does.

I drove up to San Francisco the other day and I had to stop counting the Bolts after a while; those cars are kicking Tesla's ass with good reason.

socal2 says

If the Green morons in California didn't decommission 2 of our nuke plants, we would be relying on less natural gas too. But natural gas is a good bridge energy to help reduce our emissions while improve the alternatives.

You are right on the graph, not apples to apples, but I think it still proves my point. And yes, shutting down SanO because of some easily planned for and replaced pipping was assinine.

I've heard some bad things about fracking, do we get natural gas using non-destructive means?

NuttBoxer says

And yes, shutting down SanO because of some easily planned for and replaced pipping was assinine.

It's more about its Fukusima-like location, I believe. Building it on the beach was the original assinine act.