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Look at the "entry level" electric vehicle, the Chevy Bolt with MSRP of around $26,500 and a range of about 260 miles.

Its been reported owners are easily getting 300 miles range.

Chevy needs a marketing campaign to show life cycle or total ownership costs for at least 10 years. Chevy guarantees the batteries for 100,000 miles. So figure based on 15,000 miles per year that is 6.7 years.

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Look at the "entry level" electric vehicle, the Chevy Bolt with MSRP of around $26,500 and a range of about 260 miles.

Its been reported owners are easily getting 300 miles range.

Chevy needs a marketing campaign to show life cycle or total ownership costs for at least 10 years. Chevy guarantees the batteries for 100,000 miles. So figure based on 15,000 miles per year that is 6.7 years.

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I had a Bolt EV on loan from Chevy for a week, as they were trying to sell the cab company I worked for a fleet of them. The car got about 230 miles in range on a full charge. I loved that car. The only issue is that Chevy limited the charge speed so from empty to full would take 2 hours on a Level 3 charger. I presume they did this to save the battery, as repeated fast charges, even on a Tesla, shorten battery life. Tesla owners are richer so are likely to have a Level 2 charger at home and use the Level 3 chargers only on road trips. The Bolt was aimed at a lower economic market that would include apartment dwellers who with no home charger would thus regularly use the Level 3 chargers. Therefore, Chevy limited the charge speed to preserve battery life. Unfortunately, nobody wants to wait 3 hours to charge a car while on a road trip. For those who stayed in town and lived in a house with a level 2 charger or even a accessible dryer plug, one could easily charge overnight. If one just used the Bolt as a commuter car and lived 10 miles from work, one could use plain old household 110v current to top off the car each night. At 110v, the Bolt recharged at about 4 miles per hour.

HeadSet says

I presume they did this to save the battery, as repeated fast charges, even on a Tesla, shorten battery life.

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Minimum wage was $1.60 an hour back in 1970. Cars were affordable relative to minimum wage. You could spend 5 years earning minimum wage to comfortably paying off the car loan for a Maverick. City/Highway mileage was 17/22 only :-/

I like how Chevy Bolt similarly markets to the working class who may make $15 an hour.

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You could spend 5 years earning minimum wage to comfortably paying off the car loan for a Maverick.

True, but there were no 5 year loans back then. Then, as now, minimum wage earners made due with used cars. Today's used cars are a far better deal than used cars in the 1960s. A 5 year old car today likely has no issues and lots of life left, while a 5 year old car in 1969 likely was starting to burn oil, had broken door knobs, saggy seats, leaky heater core, rusted radiator, lots of rattles, brake issues, and rust. If one had a 5 year old car, it was likely you needed the services of AAMCO or the many other transmission specialists that used to exist in every town. 1970s cars were even worse.

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10?amp=

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Look at the "entry level" electric vehicle, the Chevy Bolt with MSRP of around $26,500 and a range of about 260 miles.

Its been reported owners are easily getting 300 miles range.

Chevy needs a marketing campaign to show life cycle or total ownership costs for at least 10 years. Chevy guarantees the batteries for 100,000 miles. So figure based on 15,000 miles per year that is 6.7 years.

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They killed it. Bolt is no more.

No vax, no charging station. Oh yeah, and your bank account is frozen, too.

I agree as make these cars readily available like Henry Ford promoted the Model T and how Lee Iaocca promoted the Chrysler K car.

Prius hybrid is only about $28,000 MSRP

Chevy Bolt is only about $27,000 MSRP

Costs are going down for electric vehicles as these MSRP prices are cheap when considering they are before any government rebate or subsidy

I like that the Prius hybrid has both an electric motor and gasoline engine.
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I like that the Prius hybrid has both an electric motor and gasoline engine.

The new Prius Prime is somewhat sporting looking with about twice the HP as prior models: 200. I think at 50mpg it's more efficient as well.

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Chevy Bolt is only about $27,000 MSRP

Bolt is discontinued. Most cheap cars will be.

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/chevrolet-bolt-discontinued/

PumpingRedheads says

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.

Yes, I understand as the range is about 44 miles for a Toyota Prius Hybrid on the electric batteries and electric motor. So its good as far as commuting to work and then charging it at night. Its a commuter car for electric vehicle (EV) mode.

Nissan Leaf has a base MSRP of $28,140.

I just saw Tesla's website which shows a $31,490 MSRP for Tesla 3.

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A Chinese satellite can fly over and make them all blow up at the same time. Better than carpet bombing in WWII.

28K is not cheap for a base car. That 28K gets you hubcaps, cloth upholstery, and crank window handles.

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

I understand. We got lucky back around April 2021 with the lowest price Honda CRV (white color) at $32,000 out the door with extended warranty (100,000 miles or 8 years) and 1.5% financing for 6 years.

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Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

Yes, just like trying to buy a 2-door pickup truck and all the dealers have on the lot are the upscale 4 door versions.

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.

PumpingRedheads says

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.

"The same" meaning they put EVs of spoiled owners on top of the chargers? 🤡

So China is striking while the Iron is being submerged in ice water. I think the tech challenges, failures, hazards, and charging logistics, is what is going to do it in. Even if they sold EVs for $3500, eventually local fire safety and electrical codes, will put the brakes on it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/report-googles-green-dream-goes-downhill-100-electric/

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/11/06/self-driving-disaster-gms-cruise-enters-damage-control-mode-over-robotaxi-fiasco/

PumpingRedheads says

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

I do not think it will get to that point. If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM. Also how often, such as once every two weeks. The goal of the EV mandate is not to get less carbon than ICE, it is to curtail driving by the public.

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

PumpingRedheads says

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

10 years ago we would not shut down the country for a cold and force injections. If everyone has an electric car and the corresponding demand on the grid, we will have charging restrictions.

I think ultimately they want Government controlled on demand EV's that you don't actually own yourself. But a taxi or government self driving Uber.
Or even all electric buses.

As that would be the ONLY way electric vehicles for the masses will be feasible. A scenario where local Electric companies can set up power stations, that's sole purpose are to charge hundreds or thousands of EVs, and can control the wattage without it bringing down the grid.
The best place for Charging stations would be right outside the gate of an FP&L power plant.

About to become more expensive to charge the EV.

EV Charging Station SPACs go SPLAT!

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/11/17/the-collapse-of-ev-charger-spacs-chargepoint-ceo-sacked-cfo-out-revenues-plunge-losses-mount-shares-96-from-peak-evgo-not-far-behind/

PumpingRedheads says

About to become more expensive to charge the EV.

EV Charging Station SPACs go SPLAT!

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/11/17/the-collapse-of-ev-charger-spacs-chargepoint-ceo-sacked-cfo-out-revenues-plunge-losses-mount-shares-96-from-peak-evgo-not-far-behind/

Chargepoint is a fucking joke: their shitty chargers are just 6kW, which means it takes fucking hours to add any meaningful range.

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Brake jobs are necessary on BEV's every year due to rust/sticking thanks to lack of use.

I'm not sure about lack of use part: I once was at a stoplight next to a ModelX and noticed that the front brake rotor had a very pronounced ridge around the edge, meaning they were at least 1-2mm down from the original thickness. Now, this is not unusual for ICE cars and on average happens after 50-80K miles (depending on the pad compaund), but having this much wear doesn't really fit with the "EVs don't use brakes at all" narrative. Of course that ModelX could've had 400K miles on the clock - we'll never know.

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Chargepoint is a fucking joke: their shitty chargers are just 6kW, which means it takes fucking hours to add any meaningfu

Most of them are. Especially public (government) bathrooms...er, chargers.

PumpingRedheads says

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

Didn't Swiss passed something along these lines recently?

PumpingRedheads says

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

Can you not see trends?

How about this:
It is the year 2010 and someone says that in the future, with all the "trans rights" push, we will have men who claim to be women competing and winning on women's sports teams.

Your answer "They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world."

Obligatory:

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

HeadSet says

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

I was just thinking today, how Ford could resurrect the PInto with modern look and materials.
They almost could just put a Ford Badge on the Mazda 3 hatchbacks, and call them a PInto.
But definitely a 2 door coupe, and not 4 doors. I don't know about electric.
How about an AMC Gremlin EV?

Tenpoundbass says

HeadSet says

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

I They almost could just put a Ford Badge on the Mazda 3 hatchbacks, and call them a PInto.

Mazda is not under Ford's yoke anymore.

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.

Onvacation says

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.

Good for fleets, but I don't want someone else's used battery.

Booger says

Good for fleets, but I don't want someone else's used battery.

Yes, but they are also getting your used battery.