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GNL says

Beauty is beauty. I guess Tesla doesn't believe they can compete with beautiful cars. Seriously, no one ever creates something with the intent of the thing being ugly. Or do they? Are there any examples of where a manufacturer created something with the intention of the thing look different for the sole purpose of looking different? Even to the point that 1. The design sucks 2. It's fugly and 3. It was/is a successful product?

To your points, which products, could you think of, that have an ugly design and a success?

If the Cybertruck outsold the Rivian, Ford Lightning, and Hummer trucks combined in the next year or two, would you consider it’s a success?

Eman says

No need to force anyone to do anything.

But that's not what's going to happen. I believe things will become more and more restrictive.

Eman says

If the Cybertruck outsold the Rivian, Ford Lightning, and Hummer trucks combined in the next year or two, would you consider it’s a success?

Yes, depending on how many years. Hummer was big. Now I don't see them at all. Are we going to compare each vehicle at their highest sales volumes? Lots of vehicles are going to go the way of the Dodo bird simply because of the government. EVs have an unfare advantage going forward, no? I believe something similar happened that helped the VW bug sell more cars than ever in history. Would you really call that success?

All EV trucks are on the same playing field aren’t they? This is why I compare this “fugly” Cybertruck to other conventional looking trucks. If the goal is for the Cybertruck to over taken the F-150, I don’t see it happening.

I’m a realist. I like to compare apples to apples. I won’t wast my time with people who compare apples to oranges to make a point.

Going back to your definition of “rich”. What is your definition? I can’t answer your question if I’m rich, or not, without knowing your definition.

Ok, you're saying let's see if the cybertruck outsells other EV trucks? In that case, well I'm not sure. I can't imagine anyone would want the cyber truck over a "normal" looking EV truck all things considered. Yes, I guess we'll see.

Is top 10% considered rich any more?

GNL says

Ok, you're saying let's see if the cybertruck outsells other EV trucks? In that case, well I'm not sure. I can't imagine anyone would want the cyber truck over a "normal" looking EV truck all things considered. Yes, I guess we'll see.

Is top 10% considered rich any more?

I don’t know. You tell me since you’re the one asking the question. I don’t know what is considered rich. As I mentioned before, households in the Bay Area making $350-$500k/year consider themselves “middle class”. Is that middle class to you?

350-500 is upper middle class where I live. Certainly at the 500 mark.

Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

What? A bunch of photoahopped Tesla Fluffing bullshit?

UkraineIsFucked says

Eman says

Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

What? A bunch of photoahopped Tesla Fluffing bullshit?

Photoshop is the first thing I thought also.

Not sure if it’s photoshop or not. I don’t speak the language, but heard the lady said “Cybertruck” in the video.

https://x.com/ray4tesla/status/1751648079525327166?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

This is from Tesla Shanghai Analyst. Can’t be fake, or can it?

https://x.com/teslashanghai/status/1751540422722138413?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Will this guy learn it the hard way, or will the Cybertruck serve his needs just fine?



https://x.com/pmgraham86/status/1751569563412484149?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

This is from Tesla Shanghai Analyst. Can’t be fake, or can it?

https://x.com/teslashanghai/status/1751540422722138413?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Definitely. Fluffing is Fluffing.

Interesting Cybertruck is not road legal in China. Why display something that Tesla cannot sell? 🤔



https://x.com/ray4tesla/status/1751812174115443008?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Why do some Chinese want to buy this not road legal Cybertruck? It’s either the coolest or the most hated truck for people.

https://x.com/jayinshanghai/status/1751788955580956853?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Saw at least 15 of these angular chariots yesterday while passing by local
Tesla $tealership. It's habbening! I bet next weekend there will be traffic jam on Lake Tahoe Blvd 80% made out of them.

RWSGFY says

Saw at least 15 of these angular chariots yesterday while passing by local
Tesla $tealership. It's habbening! I bet next weekend there will be traffic jam on Lake Tahoe Blvd 80% made out of them.

Tesla has dealerships now?

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

Saw at least 15 of these angular chariots yesterday while passing by local
Tesla $tealership. It's habbening! I bet next weekend there will be traffic jam on Lake Tahoe Blvd 80% made out of them.

Tesla has dealerships now?

Always had.

RWSGFY says

Always had.

Interesting. I thought Tesla was direct sales only since a few years back in Virginia there was a court case about Tesla flouting a state law about how car manufacturers must sell through dealerships. I did a quick and found a Tesla dealership in Norfolk, VA, as well.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

Always had.

Interesting. I thought Tesla was direct sales only since a few years back in Virginia there was a court case about Tesla flouting a state law about how car manufacturers must sell through dealerships. I did a quick and found a Tesla dealership in Norfolk, VA, as well.

They are Tesla-owned $tealerships.

https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/01/28/so_many_problems_continue_to_plague_the_ev_industry_1007949.html

UkraineIsFucked says

https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/01/28/so_many_problems_continue_to_plague_the_ev_industry_1007949.html

Of course 430mpg is baloney, because when renting Teslas my calculated fuel price per mile came out at 16 cents while Camry Hybrid was 13 cents per mile in fuel only. Camry Hybrid is not rated 400+ mpg, is it?

Funny this also happened to me. Everything changed when Elon bought Twitter. People are sheep.

Eman says

Funny this also happened to me. Everything changed when Elon bought Twitter. People are sheep.

Yup.

I remember defending Elon at this site years before he bought Twitter pointing out he was the least woke/leftist of all of the big time Silicon Valley CEO's.

socal2 says

Eman says

Funny this also happened to me. Everything changed when Elon bought Twitter. People are sheep.

Yup.

I remember defending Elon at this site years before he bought Twitter pointing out he was the least woke/leftist of all of the big time Silicon Valley CEO's.

Well, you and I have been on both sides of the aisle so we speak from personal experience. People will believe what they want to believe. No point of trying to convince them.

Can’t believe the hatred I witnessed for Elon after he bought Twitter. People, who were for free speech, suddenly showed their real nature. Free speech = whatever they agree with. Otherwise, it’s hate speech.

Eman says

Can’t believe the hatred I witnessed for Elon after he bought Twitter. People, who were for free speech, suddenly showed their real nature. Free speech = whatever they agree with. Otherwise, it’s hate speech.

I actually like Musk for what that's worth. For me it's not about EV's themselves. It's about capacity. We don't have it. It's about infrastructure, we can't lose that tax revenue and repair our already shitty roads. We can't subsidize China and Africa for the minerals needed for batteries. We don't have the electric utility for it to jump even 30%.

My point has been the whole time. They're fun to drive. Not green. And cost more. No one has defeated any of these. Just enjoy it and not get defensive. No biggie on my end. Just don't make shit arguments about the car.

Eman says

China dumping cheap EVs below cost is cooked into those figures.

Don't know if this was posted as far as how much Ford lost on its electric truck. Seems like Tesla is the only viable EV player. I don't think the Chinese are going to be able to dump their cheap EVs on the USA, so they'll just suck out of Tesla in China as much as they can.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ford Loses $36,000 On Every F-150 Lightning Sold – Fires 70% Of EV Workers, Ramps Up Gas Production

https://greenbuildingelements.com/ford-loses-36000-on-every-f-150-lightning-sold-fires-70-of-ev-workers-ramps-up-gas-production/

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Lucid, the California-based electric vehicle company that makes the Air Sedan, lost over $430,000 for every car it sold in the third quarter of this year, according to the firm's latest financial report.

https://insideevs.com/news/695176/lucid-lost-money-on-every-car-it-made-in-q3-2023/

The standout stat in the article is that Nio loses $35,000 on every car it makes.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/10/nio-loses-35000-a-car-that-should-scare-the-u-s-and-europe/

Tesla's profit margin per car in 2023 was $8,279, compared to $9580 in 2022, over $6000 in 2021, and over $1700 in 2020.

https://fourweekmba.com/tesla-profit-margin-per-car/#:~:text=Tesla's%20profit%20margin%20per%20car,and%20over%20%241700%20in%202020.

Tesla will do fine until it hits market saturation. Which isn't too far off at the current price point. It needs to come down 20% and at that rate it's no longer profitable. Factor in grid issues, registration, MFT and it's about to slam into a wall.

As repeated before. No issues with EV's. It's not the future though. This market literally has been discovered in the golf cart industry. Hybrids are the future. EV's only work in warm(ish) climates over short distances. Hybrids work everywhere and have better range and power. Cyber Truck is a joke and gimmick. Cool, I can tow something for 50 miles fast, which is illegal anyway so who cares?

We simply don't have the grid for it. Prices per model are too high and that's WITH subsidies. It's provably NOT green so no one can argue that. It's a sports car that's not at a Ferrari level of cost. Upper middle class. Has no balls. I was just at a chick friends house with a Tesla I've driven last night. It's a status, mid life crisis vehicle. Again, not debatable. This is a car market bubble. I can promise I know people in the know more than anyone here with regards to the car market.

Someone, who owns a “real truck” probably $40-$50k new, just bought a “not real truck” for over $100k and wrapped it too. Hope he makes his money back quickly with the biz. 👊

Porsche is stepping up their EV game. Let’s go. 🚀🚀



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1753987985328984370?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

I hope it doesn’t catch on fire. 😂

Eman says

Someone, who owns a “real truck” probably $40-$50k new, just bought a “not real truck” for over $100k and wrapped it too. Hope he makes his money back quickly with the biz. 👊

Hope this is sarcasm? First it's over priced. Second the last thing you should EVER do is wrap your car with your business information unless you're a perfect driver. Not likely. Might as well put a target on your back. Either way the $50k plus the wrap is gonna take 10 years to pay off at least over a similar model ICE vehicle.

EV's make zero sense. And they won't. Research golf carts. It will surprise you. 30 year + tech,

We thought about paying to wrap some of our contractors cars but decided against it. Especially if it is someone else's car.