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Eman says

GNL says

Eman says

With respect to driving Tesla is a status symbol, someone mentioned this on X that a new Model Y sells for $36.5k after the Fed $7.5k tax credit while an average new ICE car sells for over $46k. I didn’t know this fact. Now I know what status means from some Patnet folks

Maybe it's less about status and more about virtue signaling?

I’m not sure what you mean by virtue signaling. Both SoCal and I bought Teslas because they’re fun to drive, and they serve our purpose. The tax credit and business deduction were some nice icing on the cake.

I'm wasn't referring to you and SoCal. I do think lots of Tesla owners think they're saving the planet though.

GNL says

I do think lots of Tesla owners think they're saving the planet though.

That used to be the job of a Prius.

GNL says

I'm wasn't referring to you and SoCal. I do think lots of Tesla owners think they're saving the planet though.

You should have.

Interesting statistics, not professionally compiled of course. Does this make the Cybertruck a SUT now? Selling 250k of these CT annually? Pipe dream?



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1766895549763232145?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

The Tesla community has shared construction worker hauling sheetrock with the Cybertruck and farmer hauling hay with theirs too.

I can put sheetrock IN my Armada OR on the roof with ease. AND still fit at least a 3rd passenger if I wanted. With the roof option probably 10 sheets and still put 7 people in there. AND tow 9k lbs at the same time. You absolute Cannot do that with a Cyber truck or any pickup truck period.

I frankly don't like any pickup trucks for non-business use. Maybe if you're a bachelor. I do tend to believe dudes driving around in pickup trucks are generally closeted gays if it's not primarily for daily work. There's no need for it. Even 4 door models are gay to drive around in for the 3-5 times a year you might need to use the bed on a Home Depot trip or drag a kayak around or something. It's a waste.

So my take isn't really about the EV part of it, though that just makes it overpriced waste. There's these things called trailers. They're bigger than truck beds and can hold more weight. I appreciated you admit it's fun to drive and that's basically it. That's not worth $30-50k more and waiting in line to charge for an hour to get 100 miles. I could do that for $25 of gas in 3 minutes and not wait.

Sorry

Eman says

These questions should be asked directly to the farmers. Only they know why they’re doing it. We’re speculating at best from the sidelines.

I actually have asked a farmer with 8,000 acres that I grew up with and now our kids are friends go to the same school. It's a solid no. At least in IL 100%. He wouldn't bull shit me. He's my age and been farming his whole life. He's smart and knows what he needs to farm here and it was a resounding no.

How much bed is left in the truck when you put a diesel tank in there with 200 gallons fuel all the time? Then any gear you need. You'd maybe get 50 miles out of that. Real farmers easily will drive that in a day, especially seasonal crops for harvesting. That's why in my previous comment I mentioned the utility of trucks and it only being practical for work. Cyber Truck isn't. I've looked up the specs. A farmer also cannot wait around for it to charge either. This topic on the truck in frankly not debatable.

Good news for ICE drivers. I guess EV drivers help to put a dent in the gasoline consumption. Hope gasoline prices will come down.



https://x.com/johnrhanger/status/1766817407115345986?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

With respect to driving Tesla is a status symbol, someone mentioned this on X that a new Model Y sells for $36.5k after the Fed $7.5k tax credit while an average new ICE car sells for over $46k. I didn’t know this fact. Now I know what status means from some Patnet folks.

Gonna pull a Rich on this one. Link? My mom's RAV4 hybrid can run 90 miles on electric, so an easy daily commute for 95% of the population probably. She basically has an EV and can still fill it up with gas and go 300-400 miles in one drive. And can always just gas up quick if on a road trip and not have to find charging stations.

She loves it and it was cheaper than $46k. And can tow decent weight for a mid sized SUV. New ICE cars are not that expensive unless you're including super high end cars. Straight non-hybrid cars prices are not bad at all for similar sized Teslas. So taking an average of all ICE cars is misleading.

Eman says

Good news for ICE drivers. I guess EV drivers help to put a dent in the gasoline consumption. Hope gasoline prices will come down.

Natural gas prices and electric rates will go up.... You seriously can't be this obtuse? Not trying to be a dick, but power has to come from somewhere. They are going to charge you more my friend based on registration. With the subsidy they won't feel as bad raising rates and taxes on EV owners. It's coming dude.

Wookie,

Do you read what you write? Why is it always about you? Each vehicle is designed with a purpose and cater to different group of people. The Cybertruck may not be for you or your farmer friend, but it suits other people and farmer. I show proof while you’re all talk without any proof.

Why do you think people pay $4M for a Bugatti? Do you believe you’re smarter than someone who owns a Bugatti?

WookieMan says

Eman says

Good news for ICE drivers. I guess EV drivers help to put a dent in the gasoline consumption. Hope gasoline prices will come down.

Natural gas prices and electric rates will go up.... You seriously can't be this obtuse? Not trying to be a dick, but power has to come from somewhere. They are going to charge you more my friend based on registration. With the subsidy they won't feel as bad raising rates and taxes on EV owners. It's coming dude.

Tell me something I don’t know. I’ve witnessed it for years. That was why I got solar. Someone already mentioned that CA has included $175 surcharge for EVs to make up for the loss of revenue as they’re not paying gas taxes. Did you see that?

When was the last time any here is excited about buying a car or truck like this guy? There’s something about the Cybertruck that make people either love it, or hate it.



https://x.com/dirtytesla/status/1766610256661020813?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Why do you think people pay $4M for a Bugatti? Do you believe you’re smarter than someone who owns a Bugatti?

It's a cool looking car that has actual craftsmanship. As GNL said some cars are art. Not my style personally so I'm not a Bugatti fan either. Teslas just aren't good looking cars. Again as others have said it's virtue signaling when the cars are worse for the environment. They're ugly with no utility. So is a Bugatti in my world. I don't care about speed or looks. I need to get shit done and raise a family and not worry about being "hip."

There's not a single model of Tesla that looks good. It's fine they hold up well in accidents. All modern cars do. I promise you if I T-boned any model of Tesla (besides the truck) going 55 there's a death or ambulance coming at minimum. It's just an overpriced car. You've answer that you like acceleration. That's worth it for frankly a stupid thought process. I'm clearly not changing that and it's actually fact, not opinion.

I could make $10M a year and I would have no interest in it or any fancy/expensive car. It's a waste. I'd rather take a trip with the wife and kids 10 times a year before you make up the difference my car costs and has utility. I just did, hence why I'm catching up with this thread. It was a blast. Couples trip with a VRBO in Galena, IL. Sex twice daily. Hot tub. Great restaurant, like actual good food. Hanging with good friends. I give no shit about the speed and acceleration of a car that got me to Galena because I have to follow the speed limit.

Maybe get off X. That's most of your posts recently. If you don't think their algorithms are gonna feed you his products you've clearly been bought and sold. I don't know, I do things with my hands and time. You can't do that with a Tesla.... It's not opinion either. Hybrids are the future and cheaper AND greener if you're into that. I'm not sure why we go back and forth on this. You like acceleration. It's not better or cheaper than similar sized cars besides acceleration. Is a field of beaten dead horses in your back yard?

The article on page B1 of this weekend's WSJ is about a Tiger Mom drowning in her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

She was the sister of Trump's Transportation Secretary.

" The Death of Angela Chao: A Mistake in a Tesla and a Panicked Phone Call."
"What happened on a remote Texas ranch in a billionaire shipping scion's final hours".

by Valerie Bauerlein and others.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The article on page B1 of this weekend's WSJ is about a Tiger Mom drowning in her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

She was the sister of Trump's Transportation Secretary.

" The Death of Angela Chao: A Mistake in a Tesla and a Panicked Phone Call."
"What happened on a remote Texas ranch in a billionaire shipping scion's final hours".

by Valerie Bauerlein and others.

“Although the preliminary investigation indicated this was an unfortunate accident, the Sheriff’s Office is still investigating this accident as a criminal matter until they have sufficient evidence to rule out criminal activity,” the Blanco County Sheriff’s Office wrote in a Thursday letter to state Attorney General Ken Paxton.

“This incident was not a typical accident,” the agency added.

Chao’s sister Elaine Chao is married to McConnell and served as Secretary of Labor under President George W. Bush and Secretary of Transportation in President Donald Trump’s administration.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/09/us-news/angela-chao-made-panicked-call-before-dying-in-completely-submerged-tesla-on-texas-ranch/amp/

B.A.C.A.H. says

her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

It was a cyber truck?

GNL says

B.A.C.A.H. says

her status symbol SUV on her Texas Ranch.

It was a cyber truck?

Either way, sounds like she was drunk given the time. Some people have no business having even one beer and getting behind the wheel. At that time it was likely more than that. A car that accelerates fast and your responses are slow. There's a reason insurance companies charge more for certain cars. They kill more people no matter how "safe" they are.

Electric cars pollute over 1,000 times more than gas. Why am I not surprised...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/study-finds-electric-vehicles-pollute-the-environment-1850-times-more-than-gas-powered-cars/

NuttBoxer says

Electric cars pollute over 1,000 times more than gas. Why am I not surprised...

This has been known. Maybe not so much in different states as far as the grid goes. EV's make amazing sense for 3 seasons here in IL. Winter... lol hell no. We have the most nukes is why I say that. Some of the largest wind farms. They're getting going with solar as well. We have little coal plants. And supplement with nat gas. But if the car doesn't work in the winter cold there's no point here. Add that 2nd car onto the cost that works when it's cold.

ICE cars just work everywhere. Including the hybrid variety. If people want to accelerate fast and speed and break laws, go ahead. Not worth it to me to drive a car with no utility and as you say worse for the environment. In IL technically from a charging perspective they're pretty green. Just not functional.

Fact is, depending on your grid and if you can't charge, you're up shits creek of bull shit without a car. I can't be in that position. Never will be. Kind of like the vaccine. Not doing it. Not getting an EV in my lifetime. I need security of being able to move about for my family and myself. And for that reason I'll always be out on pure EV's. Accelerating fast doesn't move me. I'd rather pull over on a gravel road and get a BJ.

Eman says

Chao’s sister Elaine Chao is married to McConnell and served as Secretary of Labor under President George W. Bush and Secretary of Transportation in President Donald Trump’s administration.

She was a billionaire?

What is the point of breaking glass when all you need is to wait until car is filled with water, thus equalizing inside and outside pressure, and simply open the door using a mechanical handle*?

*) Yes, Teslas have these and they are rather intuitive to find, unlike ones in Corvettes.

RWSGFY says

What is the point of breaking glass when all you need is to wait until car is filled with water, thus equalizing inside and outside pressure, and simply open the door using a mechanical handle?

) Yes, Teslas have these and they are rather intuitive to find, unlike ones in Corvettes.

Does the battery short out when the car is submerged? If so, maybe the driver was shocked unconscious.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

What is the point of breaking glass when all you need is to wait until car is filled with water, thus equalizing inside and outside pressure, and simply open the door using a mechanical handle?

) Yes, Teslas have these and they are rather intuitive to find, unlike ones in Corvettes.

Does the battery short out when the car is submerged? If so, maybe the driver was shocked unconscious.

I'd go a step further. Don't submerge a car... Tesla or any model. But my guess is she just drove safely... lol, with acceleration she couldn't control...

This is why I laugh at the people and the acceleration. Illegal and dangerous. I'll admit I crashed into my own car in my driveway because of the speed of the cart going in reverse. Popped the entire bumper of my car off. Fortunately could clip it back in place and no cosmetic damage. Electric has massive torque and acceleration if you're not used to it.

People think EV's are fun to drive, but they are dangerous. The speed picks up so quick. We're giving unskilled drivers the ability to drive cars 0-60 in seconds. I'm not sure when that became a good idea? Women aren't buying Covettes or similar. They're buying Teslas they have no clue how to handle.

Since my seizure the wife drives. I wear a relief band for nausea and she's actually a decent driver. Call me sexist but I won't drive with women drivers. I have to be hammered to not drive myself. Now throw them in a Tesla at 10pm after a few drinks. Fuck no.

WookieMan says

I'd go a step further. Don't submerge a car... Tesla or any model.

Actually, Tesla's do very well under water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBwmAMNI9qk

The Pinto is the poster car, supposedly, of incompetent engineering.

"But the Pinto was, otherwise, not an unsafe car. It didn’t catch fire spontaneously, when parked. It didn’t catch fire when it was being fueled up. It didn’t drive itself into other cars – or people. And if you managed to back one up into a pond, the doors could be opened manually. Also the (usually) manual, crank-down windows."

--Eric Peters

In case no one else mentioned it, the billionairess's Telsa, as all Teslas, rely on electricity and computers to open the doors even from the inside. When the batteries got wet, they stopped working and she couldn't get out. Supposedly, rescue arrived in time to save her but even they couldn't get the doors open.

Can anyone confirm this is true or not?

Remind me to never purchase a Tesla.

Misc says

So....uhhhh.....EVs are so good that the car manufacturers are making them sound and feel like real cars ????

It's like vegans eating fake bacon.

Onvacation says

Misc says

So....uhhhh.....EVs are so good that the car manufacturers are making them sound and feel like real cars ????

It's like vegans eating fake bacon.

Let's not get started on that shit. That needs its own thread. Fucking impossible burger or whatever it is.... I eat cows. I eat pigs. Chicken. Turkey. I'm not eating processed fake meat. If I want veggies I'll get them from my garden or a decent grocery store. You're a fag if you eat that fake shit.

What happened to @Eman? Here's a pretty good article https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/03/23/the-hertz-meltdown-reveals-scale-of-the-ev-debacle/

I wonder if Tesla stock will take a hit.

GNL says

What happened to Eman? Here's a pretty good article https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/03/23/the-hertz-meltdown-reveals-scale-of-the-ev-debacle/

I wonder if Tesla stock will take a hit.

I think he bailed on the site. Too negative… lol. Pointing out fact is just reality when entering a discussion. There’s going to be disagreements. He’s in RE. One of the most contentious industries. Too many hands in the cookie jar. They will be arguments and yelling. I’ve dealt with plenty.

It’s why I question what he has posted being true. Anyone can copy and paste from another forum none of us read. He started getting defensive and left I believe. That speaks volumes.

I’ve made an ass of myself here but I’ll never run. For good or bad. If I stop posting for more that a month I’m dead.

WookieMan says

I wonder if Tesla stock will take a hit.

who knows? when good news is bad and bad is good, nobody can predict what will happen.

WookieMan says

It’s why I question what he has posted being true. Anyone can copy and paste from another forum none of us read. He started getting defensive and left I believe. That speaks volumes.

On the Ukraine thread, he stated that he backed socal2s bs. Then I provided some choice samples of socal2's posts and pointed out to Eman this is what he was 'backing' whether he was aware of that or not. Then I asked him if he wanted to back out

Disappeared.

AD says

I read Toyota and Volkwagen are going the hydrogen fuel cell route (not lithium batteries) for their EV's.

I doubt this. Hydrogen fuel cells are a very poor way to store energy. First, it's not made by cracking water into oxygen and hydrogen, it's using steam reformation where natural gas is turned into CO2 and Hydrogen in a process. Second, hydrogen is expensive. Third, it's freaking hard to store, that stuff is reactive, very reactive. Put it under pressure on a steel cylinder, and that cylinder will get brittle in time.

Using electrolysis to break water into hydrogen and oxygen seems like a good idea, until you realize it's only 50% efficient. Hydrogen has GREAT energy density in terms of kg/joule - better than just about anything, but it's bulky because it's a large molecule, and as I said, highly reactive so hard to store.

Another problem is compressing it, THAT takes a lot of energy as well. It's like 5 times more expensive than gas per unit of energy as well.

richwicks says

Put it under pressure on a steel cylinder, and that cylinder will get brittle in time.

And the little fucker Hydrogen atoms can slip through the steel molecules. So, leakage losses.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Does this mean one can buy a slightly used 2024 Fisker Ocean for $21k?

HeadSet says

Does this mean one can buy a slightly used 2024 Fisker Ocean for $21k?

According to these folks. But why would you want to?

Yep, you read that correctly: Our 2-month-old Fisker Ocean with 4,220 miles on the odometer is worth $21,000, according to CarMax. That's a depreciation of 69.6%.

For context, experts say most new vehicles depreciate an average of 20% in their first year of ownership, with subsequent 15% decreases in the years after. On that timeline, we've experienced more than five years' worth of depreciation in just two months. Two months.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/fisker-ocean-appraisal-long-term-update.html




Any minute now, we'll hear 'But...but...Tesla!' from the Tesla fluffers on this thread.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Any minute now, we'll hear 'But...but...Tesla!' from the Tesla fluffers on this thread.

I don't think we will. They've at least admitted they bought them because they're fun to drive and that's about it. They're not green. They're not going to be cheaper than an ICE vehicle of similar or bigger size and utility. They're a pain in the ass to charge if you do any long range driving, which most people do unless they're basement dwellers.

While it sounds like I'm mocking EV drivers, it's just reality. I grew up and am family friends with a golf cart leasing company, one of the largest. They have electric and gas carts. The electric carts are exponentially more money. Some clubs/courses don't want the noise though and will pay the difference to lease the carts for the season. I can't stand gas golf carts during a round myself. But it's more about noise and not performance of the cart.

We've had EV's around since I was a child. Golf carts. They're not practical long term. I inherited my electric golf cart (free). Yes, it is fun to drive. Very zippy for being an IL flatlander. To replace my Lituium battery in 6-10 years I'm looking at $3k by that time. Just for the battery. We are 2-4 years from seeing what battery replacement costs are going to be on EV's. There will be a pretty large percentage that go back to ICE cars once they see the sticker price. It will be $20k, so the car is basically worthless. EV's are the fastest depreciating vehicle on the planet.

richwicks says

Hydrogen has GREAT energy density in terms of kg/joule - better than just about anything, but it's bulky because it's a large molecule

?? Isn't hydrogen the smallest possible molecule? An H2 molecule has only 2 hydrogen atoms, each with only one proton and one electron.