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This is even better than the bitcorn misinformation thread!!

In my observations and others I know, the legalization of marijuana cut into the profits of Big Pharma. That is why they have spent so much in lobbying against weed, amongst other nefarious things. That "research" mentioned above seems funded by them.

For those interested in edibles, be warned: everyone makes the same mistake at first of taking some, thinking it's not working, and then taking more. Then when it hits they are quite miserable for four or six hours, because being way too stoned makes you feel panicked, nauseous, paranoid, fast heart rate, all kinds of badness. The one comfort is knowing it's actually harmless and you'll be OK.

Everyone makes this same mistake until they learn to wait at least two hours before taking more. 5mg is good to start. 10mg is a bit much. I once ate a cookie labeled "420" but didn't realize it meant 420 fucking mg. Holy shit that was unpleasant, but I was fine in the morning.

Two hours, not less. If it's not enough in two hours, OK try more, but not until then.

Tenpoundbass says

They also seemed very focused on people over 50. Are they new Boomers,

Yeah! That's smack dab in the middle of the upper segment of the lower Gen-X generation. Puns intended.

A tip for the budget-conscious: if you buy the "flower" sold to be smoked, toast it for 20 minutes at 250 degrees, and grind it to powder, you've just made a vast supply of edibles. You can literally just eat the powder at that point, though it's hard to measure how much THC you're getting. Start small, just powder the tip of one finger by tapping it in the toasted weed, lick that, and wait two hours.

When people smoke the stuff, the large majority of the THC literally just goes up in smoke. By toasting and eating, you get all of it.

If you don't toast it, it does nothing at all.

Patrick says

For those interested in edibles, be warned: everyone makes the same mistake at first of taking some, thinking it's not working, and then taking more. Then when it hits they are quite miserable for four or six hours, because being way too stoned makes you feel panicked, nauseous, paranoid, fast heart rate, all kinds of badness. The one comfort is knowing it's actually harmless and you'll be OK.

Edibles are literally a different drug. It's absorbed differently and processed by the body differently. If they bake it it's still differently processed but the same drug yet it's still not the same because the liver etc., get their turn to modify it 1st.

Adding heat decarboxylizes it which is less likely to induce paranoia, so I've read. So smokers are getting the decarb'd version for the most part.

Home-Pros bake it before attempting to make things like cannabutter at home - not sure what the edible industry does. But if you make something like butter out of it and don't bake it 1st, that's a mistake.

There are temp vs. time tables available online that help with this endeavor.

Not that I've ever tried that spending most of my life in apartments. That's how one might start getting nasty letters from the neighbors. Especially if you smoke it and blow it up a bathroom vent without knowing the vents are shared, and that you're smogging their bedroom

That definitely never happened to me in my younger years. But I have heard stories. I might have also seen letters posted on all of the doors on my apartment complex wing. With maybe one personalized. Followed by a general warning letter to all tenants from manaement instead of panzy ass neighbors who don't appreciate the complex nuance of the various varieties that a bud tender might sell you.

Did you know Belmont even outlawed smoking cigarettes anywhere? I think that was a great move. I hate those things. I hold my breath when I pass by a smoker. I made the mistake of walking past a smoking bar in the Vegas airport this week while getting exercise waiting for my next connection.

Airplane connection. Not that other kind of connection.

Patrick says

Holy shit that was unpleasant, but I was fine in the morning.

I ate so much by accident one time that I woke up the next day still high and got scared thinking i had fucked up my brain and was going to stay like that for a long time. Some beers and another good night sleep got me over it.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

Not that I've ever tried that spending most of my life in apartments.

Good point. When you toast the flower, using, say, a toaster oven, it's going make the whole apartment or house reek very intensely of weed.

It's advisable to take the toaster oven outside and do the toasting there if you can. Or maybe you live in your own house and like the smell of weed. I actually find the smell pleasant, though a lot of people don't.

I've heard cooking it in say a slow cooker / crock pot with butter and water might offend sensitive neighbors as well.

Also that the toaster should be at such a low temperature no smoke should be produced. A color change should be expected but it shouldn't turn burnt/brown or it's too hot. Maybe. I think so?

You might be right.

Patrick says

If you don't toast it, it does nothing at all.

Pot firecrackers is one way to go. I’d use peanut butter and not the unhealthy nutella. And as Patrick advised, don’t forget to decarboxylate.

I had a buddy who would make a big batch, take it to work, and eat spoonfuls. He said he got through four years at his job doing this and nobody caught on. Or maybe they did?

https://weedmaps.com/learn/products-and-how-to-consume/how-to-make-firecrackers

Cannabis stocks surge on report Trump seeks to ease restrictions

Dec 12 (Reuters) - Shares of cannabis companies jumped on Friday after the Washington Post reported U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to push the government to dramatically loosen federal restrictions on marijuana.

U.S.-listed shares of Tilray Brands gained 28%, while SNDL , Canopy Growth (WEED.TO), opens new tab and ETF AdvisorShares Pure US Cannabis (MSOS.P), up between 13.5% and 32.5% in premarket trading.
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According to the report from Thursday, Trump plans to direct agencies to reclassify marijuana as a Schedule III drug, reducing oversight of the plant and its derivatives to the same level as some common prescription painkillers and other drugs.

"We believe this would open the door for pharmaceutical companies to seek approval for more cannabis products, which could then be dispensed the same as other prescription drugs," TD Cowen analyst Jaret Seiberg said in a note.

Trump's administration has been looking to reclassify marijuana as a less dangerous drug, a shift that could ease criminal penalties and reshape the industry through potentially lower taxes and by making it easier to secure funding.

Funding remains one of the biggest challenges for cannabis producers, as federal restrictions keep most banks and institutional investors out of the sector, forcing pot producers to turn to costly loans or alternative lenders.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/cannabis-stocks-surge-report-trump-seeks-ease-restrictions-2025-12-12/

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Pot firecrackers is one way to go. I’d use peanut butter and not the unhealthy nutella.

The irony here is amazing. Like "When I make moonshine, I use the peach flavoring that does not have any unhealthy preservatives."

HeadSet says

The irony here is amazing.

Well bless your heart, but marijuana is in no way as toxic as ETOH.

I'm convinced that a small amount of alcohol is good for you. The key is keeping it small.

Exhibit A: The Jews. A good Jew is obligated to drink two glasses of wine each week, Friday night and Saturday night, with an optional third glass during the day on Saturday. They have a longer life expectancy than most other ethnic groups. On the other hand, Jews are famous for not drinking otherwise. "Jews don't drink" is a phrase you sometimes hear.

Exhibit B: Studies show consistently lower mortality in light drinkers than teetotalers, though high alcohol intake clearly shortens life expectancy:

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/s0025-6196(13)01002-1/fulltext

Habitual light to moderate alcohol intake (up to 1 drink per day for women and 1 or 2 drinks per day for men) is associated with decreased risks for total mortality, coronary artery disease, diabetes mellitus, congestive heart failure, and stroke.

Many teetotalers don't drink because of their poor health.

Never thought of that.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/trump-might-ease-federal-cannabis-restrictions/

The Washington Post reported that six people familiar with the administration’s discussions have indicated that President Trump is expected to push the government to reschedule cannabis from a Schedule I to a Schedule III controlled substance.

The sources spoke anonymously, as they were not authorized to speak publicly about the topic. Four of those sources claimed Trump spoke with House Speaker Mike Johnson—who reportedly opposed the idea—about issuing an executive order to reclassify the drug.

This phone call reportedly came after Trump discussed the matter with health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator Mehmet Oz.

A source familiar with the matter told CNBC that Trump is expected to issue an executive order as early as Monday.

This would be a real accomplishment by Trump against the forces of corruption (prison guards' union and beer distributors lobbyists).

RWSGFY says

Many teetotalers don't drink because of their poor health.

Why not, if moderate amounts are supposedly healthy?

I think heavy liver damage makes it dangerous to drink at all.

I don't think smoking pot is necessarily a good thing (I smoked it through univeristy and a few years after), but downgrading it from Schedule I to Schedule III is common sense.

It keeps the population tranquilized if nothing else. I wonder what the flouride in the water and the pot do together on the ole brain-o.

Ceffer says

I wonder what the flouride in the water and the pot do together on the ole brain-o.

No cavities and no memory.

Patrick says

I think heavy liver damage makes it dangerous to drink at all.

Drinking is fine. So is smoking.

Drinking is moderation. And if you go crazy drinking for months and go cold turkey it's possible to die. Moderation you could drink 2 beers a day until 80 and have no issues if you don't eat like shit.

Weed, you're generally just dumber in my option. Not a knock, know plenty of people making good money but it holds them back from making really good money.

Food is the bigger drug if you think about it and look around. Drunk might have a beer belly, but the rest of the frame generally seems healthy. Most weed smokers are on the lean side regardless of the munchie thing. Food people are just plain fat. That'll kill you before the 2 prior items.

Food addictions are the worst. I can't imagine what that would be like. I've known some bulimics... Weed will make you stupider if you use it frequently but apparently it wears off.

I'm not sure that there is any safe level of alcohol, research papers or not. But small amounts aren't too bad.

EtOH is one of the strongest drugs out there and it's sanctioned by the state and church!

Hopefully some of these people with felonies from selling a wee bit o weed get that exponged. Did I spell exponged correctly? Patrick's spell check doesn't think so but it doesn't give me any alternative options either.

I have a great friend from high school who can't buy a gun to protect his house due to the fact that he's a 'felon'. That's what I'd like to see come out of this - give single issue non-violent 'offenders' back their freedoms as long as they weren't giving it to kids or something. Or selling something much worse.

My pal is wicked smart and at one point wanted to get into politics. He feels like he can't now due to this issue. He predicted 911 and it freaked me out after it happened. Technically he read about it in a book but he's well informed. Such a waste...

HeadSet says

No cavities and no memory.

The cavities migrate from the teeth to the brain.

Couch lock is a state of extreme sedation and lethargy often experienced after consuming certain cannabis strains, particularly those high in the terpene myrcene. It can make you feel heavy and immobile, as if you're glued to the couch, and while some people enjoy this sensation, others may find it undesirable.

Understanding Couch Lock

Couch lock is a term used to describe a state of extreme sedation or lethargy that can occur after consuming cannabis. It often leaves users feeling heavy and immobile, as if they are "stuck" to the couch. This effect can be enjoyable for some, while others may find it undesirable.

Causes of Couch Lock

Couch lock is primarily influenced by the following factors:

Cannabis Strain: Indica strains are more likely to induce couch lock due to their relaxing properties. They often contain higher levels of myrcene, a terpene that enhances THC's effects.

Terpenes: Specific terpenes contribute to couch lock, including:

Myrcene: Known for its sedative effects.

Linalool: Associated with calming properties.

Beta-caryophyllene: Provides soothing effects.

Consumption Method: Edibles and high-temperature vaping can increase the likelihood of experiencing couch lock compared to other methods.

Effects of Couch Lock

When experiencing couch lock, users may notice:

Heavy limbs and a strong desire to remain seated.

Extreme relaxation and reduced motivation.

Difficulty concentrating or moving.

Managing Couch Lock

If you find yourself in a couch lock state and wish to alleviate it, consider the following tips:

Stay Hydrated: Drink water to help counteract the effects.

Engage in Light Activity: Gentle movement can help shake off the lethargy.

Change Your Environment: A different setting may help stimulate your energy.

Couch lock can be beneficial for muscle recovery or relaxation, but it’s essential to be mindful of its effects and manage your consumption accordingly.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Couch lock is a state of extreme sedation and lethargy often experienced after consuming certain cannabis strains, particularly those high in the terpene myrcene. It can make you feel heavy and immobile, as if you're glued to the couch, and while some people enjoy this sensation, others may find it undesirable.

Understanding Couch Lock

I call that butt glue. And it's the Indica strain, and batches with high CDB content.
Lately I have rediscovered the Sativa strain. It's not as upfront intense like Indica. Where it zonks you out for 15 minutes, then aside from being dead ass lazy, you don't feel any head effect. Sativa in my experience is a gradual slow release high. And unless you smoked it like a frat boy at a Dead concert. You perform normally at your daily routine, without losing interest in them. Like happens with the Indica strain.

It seems for the last 20 years or so, Indica has been 90% of all weed available whether from a dispensary or your local weed man. Which is why I'm certain, your local weed man is supplied by legal channels that customers rejected or wasn't up to par with their quality expectations. Before legal and medical legalization, most weed I always encountered was the Sativa variety.

I was never one that enjoyed eating thc products, it puts my stomach in knots. Like someone is holding me while someone else is punching me in the gut.

As for heating weed in the oven to dry it out, don't do that. Weed has a full spectrum of cannabinoids, that are activated at different temperatures.

Which is why I suspect I don't care for wax, edibles, or oil. None of those carry the full spectrum.
To really experience this try smoking flower in a vaporizer bong. You will see the difference in the effects, as you heat it up after each toke.

When prescribed by a Doctor, a patient my be instructed to smoke it at a low temp, then discard the rest. At this point what is left, smells and tastes like a toasty pop corn. Another user could roll that up and smoke it, and it will give you a quick blast. As the canibinoids that makes you really high, are activated at higher heat. But if you did, you will notice, nuances missing the high you get.

In truth the truly medicinal properties in pot, is activated at low heat. So if you heat it up in the oven, the stuff that's left, wouldn't be medicinal at all.