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I don't see any possible way to lose by converting as much as possible from a 401(k) or IRA to a Roth. There is no gambling involved at all.
You pay taxes on the conversion, but you'll have to pay taxes anyway no matter when you take it out. Just pick a low tax year to do it.
The key is that the money converted to Roth grows tax-free forever. Roth is the better deal than 401(k) or IRA by miles.
it would make the conversion look silly.
I don't like the RMDs either.
The smaller amounts you convert, the lower your income and the lower your taxes, but if you don't convert enough, you're screwed with RMDs at high tax rates anyway.
We are discussing strategies (Roth Conversions, Back Door Roths) that typically won't break even for 20 or 30 years in a best case scenario
Every 10 years or so there is a quite vocal group of people (funded by billionaires, of course) that really push the idea of doing away with income taxes altogether and going with a national sales tax. If this ever gets passed, it would make the conversion look silly.
When I used 401k to Roth 401k calculator, I remember it make sense only if you have low income and not near retirement age otherwise it makes no sense to convert! Again, your parameters could be different.
Blue says
When I used 401k to Roth 401k calculator, I remember it make sense only if you have low income and not near retirement age otherwise it makes no sense to convert! Again, your parameters could be different.
Those are exactly my parameters. Low income now, and retired.
But yes, I suppose it's a good problem to have a lot of money trapped by ruinous taxes in a 401(k) rollover.
plan for next 2 to 3 decades
Seems like the biggest problem of PatNetters is having too much money!
Blue says
plan for next 2 to 3 decades
One issue is that I probably don't have three decades left, maybe not even two. So I'm inclining toward spending some money soon.
You can just live on RMD, SS and kick the remaining stuff down to kids
stfu says
Seems like the biggest problem of PatNetters is having too much money!
More money than was expected or planned for in retirement.
I have more than I expected to have, but it's mostly trapped.
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Grok:
When I started working, the capital gains rate was 28% or so, so the difference was not so great. I should have paid better attention.