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Ceffer says

I think it was Vance who mentioned that under Obama, turning someone away at the border was classified as a "deportation", which is a pretty dishonest way to inflate the score.

LOL that dancing furry. Sometimes I seriously think they're just having a good time out there.

dishonest, liberal, inflated ego.... say it ain't so.

"Liberalism is a metal disorder"

Patrick says

itsAllBullshit

Here you go:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-officer-fatally-shot-minnesota-woman-was-dragged-car-june-immigrat-rcna252992

ICE officer who fatally shot Minnesota woman was dragged by car during June immigration arrest

In a June incident, the agent was dragged by a vehicle at least 50 yards and required stitches, according to DHS and court documents. ...

The officer suffered multiple lacerations and needed 33 stitches to close his wounds, according to court documents from the June incident, which identified the agent as Jonathan Ross.

I can see how the officer would be much less inclined to let that happen again.

So you justify deadly force against a US Citizen based on a previous incident with a completely different person? Do you think if someone almost killed me, and the next time I thought I might get into a similar circumstance with a completely different person and I killed someone based on that assumption I would cleared of murder?

Are you even thinking about what you're saying anymore? You used to be a voice of reason, now you're just part of the mob.

itsAllBullshit says

Patrick says

itsAllBullshit

Here you go:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-officer-fatally-shot-minnesota-woman-was-dragged-car-june-immigrat-rcna252992

ICE officer who fatally shot Minnesota woman was dragged by car during June immigration arrest

In a June incident, the agent was dragged by a vehicle at least 50 yards and required stitches, according to DHS and court documents. ...

The officer suffered multiple lacerations and needed 33 stitches to close his wounds, according to court documents from the June incident, which identified the agent as Jonathan Ross.

I can see how the officer would be much less inclined to let that happen again.

So you justify deadly force against a US Citizen based on a previous incident with a completely different person? Do you think if someone almost killed me, and the next time I thought I might get into a similar circumstance with a completely different person and I killed someone based on that assumption I would cleared of murder?

Are you even thinking about what you're saying anymore? You used to be a voice of reason, now you're just part of the mob.

That experience probably added to this officer's fears, but its completely irrelevant for justification. Anybody who purposefully and unlawfully directs deadly force at someone is at risk if being killed in self defense. It's even irrelevant to as whether this was a LEO or a civilian who shot her. The fact that she was asked to step out of the car multiple times and refused/resisted arrest only makes it worse. It's tragic but if she survived she would have been prosecuted and convicted, not the LEO. People who visit or moves to the US have been regularly reminded to follow LEOs orders for their own safety. US citizens should know. To avoid further tragedies during this situation Trump should enact a curfew, invoking the insurrection act if necessary. So the situation can calm down and LEOs and bystanders aren't constantly in danger.

Yes, if you deliberately drive into a man with a gun, you should expect to be shot.

itsAllBullshit says

So you justify deadly force against a US Citizen based on a previous incident with a completely different person? Do you think if someone almost killed me, and the next time I thought I might get into a similar circumstance with a completely different person and I killed someone based on that assumption I would cleared of murder?

Are you even thinking about what you're saying anymore? You used to be a voice of reason, now you're just part of the mob.

You're reading way too much into what I said. I didn't say that murder is justified by past experiences, but that officer was 110% justified in shooting someone attempting to drive over him, no matter what his history.

itsAllBullshit says

based on a previous incident with a completely different person?

Nope, not based on that, but based on that bald wacko lesbo deliberately driving into him while her "wife" was egging her on to do it.

Karloff says

I think it was Vance who mentioned that under Obama, turning someone away at the border was classified as a "deportation", which is a pretty dishonest way to inflate the score.

Aha! Now things make a lot more sense.