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one other item that sure would make for a cool graph ... the number of REO's that sold in the last 2 years that are already getting NOD's or REO's again.
You gotta watch those false bottoms. They don't cushion the blow from a fall. (Sorry, but we need some humor here.)
housing is still way overpriced. another 50% correction still needs to happen due to high unemployment, outsourcing, interest rate resets and ...something else ( i just forgot ....it was there in my mind a moment ago )
The prices will go way below case shiller index because its different this time.....actually mortgage have always been less than mortgage interest for bay area for last 30 years..so i am going to wait till mortgages interest become less than rents !
now lets get back to reality
Do you really believe this? Was the house you recently purchased 50% overpriced?
oops i forgot to add the * sarcasm * tags.
I am a staunch believer in case shiller index and reversal to mean. just like overshoot from shiller index didn't make sense , undershoot doesn't make sense.
Actually, I think you were correct in as much as it being "different this time." Unemployment/under employment, furloughs, pay cuts and a helluva lot less HELOC weatlh floating around, for starters - followed up by tighter credit and a vastly debased currency, accompanied by invariably higher taxes and utilities costs in the coming years. If your observation was purely sarcastic, then perhaps you speak the truth better with your tongue in your cheek.
I definetely see a gradual decline in the value of dollar and a reduced standard of living for americans in the coming years but housing won't go down further if Govt is hell bent on using all the money supply tricks to keep it inflated at the expense of dollar.
I never expected 30 year interest rates at 5% and 5 year arms at 3.5% after the whole housing and finacial bubble drama.
It clearly shows that govt is inflating the housing and will not let it fall.
apart from earthquakes and floods , bay area is very close to the ocean and in the event of tsunami..we are hosed.
looks like moore's law is nearing its end and we will see the engine of bay area (technology) slow down which will bring the housing down drastically.healthcare costs is rising crazy ..making bussinesses run other places. education in US going down the toilet and other countries are catching up big time with thier economy.dollar is loosing its reserve currency status.uneducated immigrant population is increasing at alarming rate and will reach critical mass soon which would make us a nanny state. moral standards are now gone ..no ethics..teenage pregnancies..divorce rates., obesity...US is toast...game over.
...housing won’t go down further if Govt is hell bent on using all the money supply tricks to keep it inflated at the expense of dollar....
I think the bag of tricks is a finite one, but you make a fair point. That's also why you should keep in a holding pattern of Wait & See.
I agree that the bag of tricks is finite one but is very powerful.it worked pretty well for stock market lately ( i honestly didn't expect it will work)
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Also - PG&E is installing their smart meters. I hope you’re all prepared for a lifestyle change - running the dishwasher and doing laundry at night. Not to mention outrageous bills.
Smart meters will not cause outrageous bills. The "cap and trade" (CO2) legislation will. House has quietly passed its version of the bill (H.R. 2454). Now it is up to Senate to act.
House bill introduces new loan products:
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SEC. 287. DUTY TO SERVE UNDERSERVED MARKETS FOR ENERGY-EFFICIENT AND LOCATION-EFFICIENT MORTGAGES.
Section 1335 of Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4565), as amended by the Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-289; 122 Stat. 2654), is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)(1), by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:
(D) MARKETS FOR ENERGY-EFFICIENT AND LOCATION-EFFICIENT MORTGAGES-
(i) DUTY- Subject to clause (ii), the enterprise shall develop loan products and flexible underwriting guidelines to facilitate a secondary market for energy-efficient and location-efficient mortgages on housing for very low-, low-, and moderate-income families, and for second and junior mortgages made for purposes of energy efficiency or renewable energy improvements, or both.
(ii) AUTHORITY TO SUSPEND- Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, the Director may suspend the applicability of the requirement under clause (i) with respect to an enterprise, for such period as is necessary, if the Director determines that exigent circumstances exist and such suspension is appropriate to ensure the safety and soundness of the portfolio holdings of the enterprise.’;
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Somebody said that government is running out of tricks?
wish I was lucky,
Funny you mention energy usage. My house (built in 1949) is better insulated and better build than almost any home built more recently. Because of where we live we don't even have air conditioning. In winter we run the heat maybe 2 hours a day. We live in a small house and the entire house is heated by a fireplace insert (it gets so hot so quickly we often have to open windows). Our PG&E bill averages $45/month.
It's pretty easy in the Bay Area to have very low energy bills.
I agree with homeowner_for ever_san jose about the value of the dollar continuing to erode, and a lower standard of living for most Americans. This is due to reckless govt spending and huge fiscal deficits because the political system creates huge conflicts of interest between the short term desires of elected officials and the long term healthy of the country. So for the average person I think one of the few ways to protect him or herself from these dangers is to invest in some gold related assets, because gold should continue to rise due to the Fed's policies to avoid any form of deflation. I recently read some good articles on these topics at http://www.goldalert.com that I think are useful for investors to check out. They discuss in depth the unintended consequences of all the money printing, as well as the potential impact on the dollar, the gold price, and the prospects for the global economy.
Is Housing’s False Bottom Beginning to Give Way?Â
Despite all the efforts of our Government to prop up the housing market, both sales and prices have resumed their downward trends.
From The National Association of Realtors Existing-Home Sales Ease Following Four Monthly Gains
NAR is pushing hard for the both the extension of the first-time buyer tax credit and the increase in the dollar amount.
We can’t blame interest rates for the pull-back.
Here are 2 Graphs from BusinessWeek that clearly illustrate this summer’s improvement and, potentially, the start of new downward trends.
It’s also important to recognize that existing home sales typically INCREASE from July to August. Economists were expecting a small gain.
Last week, we reported Bay Area Home Sales Experience Abnormal Sales Decline
Here is a graph from Calculated Risk that shows month-by-month existing home sales for the last few years.
NAR is lobbying hard for an extension of the tax credits to continue to prop up the market. However, sales and prices are resuming their fall even with tax-credits and low interest rates.
Expect September’s sales numbers to be even worse. And, expect the mainstream media to be openly discussing the concept of a “false bottom†within another month or two.
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