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4x, perhaps you are really a conservative. Welcome to the club. :-)

Well-armed neutrality is my preferred policy.

I agree.

Peter:

I have always stated that I am conservative-progressive. I try to vote on what makes sense....and it doesnt make sense for us to put our focus elsewhere.

Tenounce:

So lemme get this straight, you touchy feely “Change” at the expense of others, Progressive libs, are really interested in Change for your self.

You really should read up the differences between PROGRESSIVE and LIBERAL. Liberals believe anything goes (GAY Marriage, Welfare, Lega Marijuana) where as PROGRESSIVE simply want improvements made (Civil Rights, Women Rights, NAFTA, Globalization) for the betterment of our society. Some progressive ideas are conservative in nature, which is why Clinton pushed NAFTA and GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY. The problem is that most liberals are poor, do not understand business and vote based on racial/sexual preference. This is not to say conservatives dont, as when the 1964 Civil Rights act passed well over 25% of dems left the party and switched Replublican....this indicates a hint of racism exists within the Republican party. It also would give a clear answer as to why we find the REBEL flag flying at so many conservative rallys.

I am conservative in business, progressive in public policy....someone has to prevent big business from eating the American public alive with offshoring. You do realize that each of the corporations that exist in America would run their business without people if they could right? If all they needed was for the CEO to go into the office on a daily basis and press a green button then they would do just that.

I have always stated that I am conservative-progressive.

There is a political party in Canada for you. :-)

I guess a balance is always good.

If all they needed was for the CEO to go into the office on a daily basis and press a green button then they would do just that.

Power needs to go back to shareholders, the true master of the corporation.

Many problems are really caused by management having too much power and/or too little oversight. This is why I think privately-held companies tend to enjoy more longevity as successful businesses (e.g. Cargill, Bloomberg). Public companies are really just a bunch of numbers that are somehow linked to bonuses and/or stock options.

"You really should read up the differences between PROGRESSIVE and LIBERAL. Liberals believe anything goes (GAY Marriage, Welfare, Lega Marijuana) where as PROGRESSIVE simply want improvements made (Civil Rights, Women Rights, NAFTA, Globalization) for the betterment of our society."
Oh so one's a Pompous assbag!

now THAT was funny. Thanks.

“You really should read up the differences between PROGRESSIVE and LIBERAL. Liberals believe anything goes (GAY Marriage, Welfare, Lega Marijuana) where as PROGRESSIVE simply want improvements made (Civil Rights, Women Rights, NAFTA, Globalization) for the betterment of our society.”
Oh so one’s a Pompous assbag!

As I have said before, a 3rd grade education wont get you far in debate. You might want to try that name calling technique in your class tomorrow.

Ha, I love your failed logic, your retort to my zinger was some sanctimonious holier than thou response, suggesting that I only have a third grade education, whilst the gist of what you are saying. Is that I am some how inferior in a debate for my use of verbal wrangling, yet you call me a third grade drop out.

You really make my case sir.

Tenounce, have you read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language"?

Its pretty good. He offers some thoughts on how best to express ourselves plainly and directly. Here are the rules he offers:

1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
2. Never us a long word where a short one will do.
3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.
5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

and:

A scrupulous writer, in every sentence that he writes, will ask himself at least four questions, thus:
1. What am I trying to say?
2. What words will express it?
3. What image or idiom will make it clearer?
4. Is this image fresh enough to have an effect?
And he will probably ask himself two more:
1. Could I put it more shortly?

2. Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly?

So in keeping, whats wrong with this statement:

"I am not, indeed, sure whether it is not true to say that the Milton who once seemed not unlike a seventeenth-century Shelley had not become, out of an experience ever more bitter in each year, more alien [sic] to the founder of that Jesuit sect which nothing could induce him to tolerate."

or this one:

"Ha, I love your failed logic, you retort to my zinger with some sanctimonious holier than thou response, suggesting that I only have a third grade education, whilst the gist of what you are saying. Is that I am some how inferior in a debate for my use of verbal wrangling, yet you call me a third grade drop out.
You really make my case sir."

There's some pompous assbaggery for you from me. But you really should check out the article.

or this one: "As I have said before, a 3rd grade education wont get you far in debate. You might want to try that name calling technique in your class tomorrow."

kentm says

Tenounce, have you read Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language”?

I have one rule when I write...

Do I believe what I'm writing?

I do want to believe in what Orson Wells once read I really do, but I just can't seem to muster up anything past, "I will drink no wine before it's time." how [sic] is that? Oh yeah! that's right, I don't give a crap.

kentm says

Tenounce, have you read Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language”?

Tenouncetrout says

I do want to believe in what Orson Wells once read I really do, but I just can’t seem to muster up anything past, “I will drink no wine before it’s time.”

Are we talking about George Orwell or Orson Wells?