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The "very fine people" quote in context, so that people who sadly watch only the extremely deceptive MSM propaganda can see what Trump really said:

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Patrick says

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

THe bigger problem is that Trump is an idiot that doesn't do his preparation or take enough advice in preparing. . It's about his incompetence and arrogance.

His point about the statues and about Washingtom and Jefferson was a point that is fine to make. I agree with it in fact. But it was not the right time for that.

That was a time for condemning white racial hate, ONLY !. Period. It was not time to discuss the ways that he sympathizes with southerners who memorialize the confederacy. .

At a separate time, it would be more than appropriate - even if he wanted to give a whole speech on the complexities of questions surrounding southern heroes, and proposing ways that we become more understanding and tolerant of different views on the subject of "confederate heroes."

Is he incomeptant ? Or does TRump actually like to fan the flames of division, which is so easy to do in the south.

marcus says

Let it be an example to similar assholes everywhere. This is America where you should be able to have a birthday party for your child and her friends without fearing a bunch of Uber TRumpCucks are going to come and threaten your lives.

Shouldn't you be able to work in a liquor store without fearing you'll be pistol whipped by Obama's Sons?

marcus says

You've got to know that Trump's election has emboldened too many of these type of assholes.

Can you explain why? What is it exactly about Trump that “emboldens” white supremacy? Is it the way that hus policies have employed and enriched the highest percentage of black People in history? Is it like how he’s anti Semitic even though he has Jews in his family and is a yuuuge supporter of Israel?

Or are you just watching too much CNN again?

Quigley says

Can you explain why?

Primarily becasue he didn't even use dog whistles to appeal to racists. He was wide open about it. And then he won !!

What message does that send to white supremacists ?

Do you really think that Europe looks at the Trump Presidency following the Obama Presidency and doesn't at least partly see a racist backlash ? Not that we care what Europe thinks.

Look, I don't like it that the left is reacting with a doubling down on identity politics, but I'm not surprised. It is a reaction to something. What ? You think it's just a reaction to Trump being an old white dude instead of us getting an old white woman ?

marcus says

Quigley says

Can you explain why?

Primarily becasue he didn't even use dog whistles to appeal to racists. He was wide open about it.

lol...you didn't even remotely answer the question. The Left is so brainwashed by CNN that they've assumed Trump is racist without questioning the initial premise.

marcus says

Primarily becasue he didn't even use dog whistles to appeal to racists. He was wide open about it. And then he won !!

So by having a platform based on:
1)deregulation to pump economy
2)immigration enforcement to pump the American workforce up to good employment and better wages
3) adherence to the Constitution over progressive ideas
4) MAGA
Somehow one or all of those ideas are racist? Or appeal to racists? Which idea is on its face stupid, like claiming that croissants are evil because Klan members prefer them. Or claiming that chocolate is bad because Hitler enjoyed it.
Stupid is as Leftist does...

jazz_music says

It’s news to people who say all violence is done by the political left

There are actually people who claim that ALL violence is done by the political left? I wouldn't even talk to a person that stupid. All the brothers shooting each other daily are all leftists? White psychotic serial killers? Lots of these people have never seen the inside of a voting booth. Violent people come in all races and colors and it has nothing to do with politics. You should know that.

marcus says

Primarily becasue

NO! Just because!

marcus says

the Obama Presidency

The most racist prez since LBJ.

Fact - between 2016 and 2017, 11 Police officers were killed by Left Wing Black Supremacists in 4 different terrorist attacks and many more injured.

https://patrick.net/post/1317871/?c=1587089

jazz_music says

There were 49 mass shootings last year by right wing nut jobs. 39 of them were white nationalists.

Source?

Tim Aurora says

I thought "Only the left is violent"

How do you define this terrorist? And why?

jazz_music says

According to today’s Democracy Now, only 50 murders were reviewed and out of them 49 or right way and 39 were right wing white supremacist

Democracy Now?! hahahaha

Link?

Are they including incel flipouts like Elliot Rodger as "Right Wing?" or Las Vegas, which the FBI ruled was "Infamy/Misanthropy" as the cause?

There aren’t many long term running shows that I got into... Sopranos and Breaking Bad were awesome.

What am I missing when it comes to Game of Thrones?

BayArea says

What am I missing when it comes to Game of Thrones?

Epic chaos. You can barely perceive the machinations of the author guiding the story. It’s kind of awesome.

I will voice a (perhaps unpopular) position that there’s too much gratuitous nudity in the show. As awesome as some of the women look, it’s turning a lot of people off to a really great show. It would be just as great without quite as much, perhaps only a tasteful amount.

But what do I know? It’s got a billion watchers now.

I read the books in the early 2000s, never imagining that they’d be adapted in such an amazing way. The show is truly much better than the books.

In History?

So he was just a big fat phony.

John Kerry is a back stabbing whinny pathetic loser. Who belongs in jail for violating the Logan Act. Not resting on his laurels of having his name on a UN Peace treaty.

Fuck him! Bravo President Trump, where's Barr raid Kerry's house at 5:30 am and haul him and his wife out.

I'll keep posting this whenever the topic comes up.

According to the ADL, here are extremist murders by year (and BTW, some of this is extremist nutballs killing their kids or relatives):
2018: 50
2017: 37
2016: 72
2015: 70

HonkpilledMaster says

jazz_music says

There were 49 mass shootings last year by right wing nut jobs. 39 of them were white nationalists.

Source?

The source data is far too transparent to link.

OccasionalCortex says

BayArea says

Breaking Bad were awesome.

I could never getting into Breaking Bad even though I think Better Call Saul is awesome.

First season was slow developing.

From season two on, it was like I had a crack addiction... with all due respect to Sopranos, Breaking Bad was best ever.

Not gonna say I haven't done it, but maybe let the people respond instead of making the OP and then making 3 comments. If it was a topic people wanted to discuss, they would. Don't force it.

NYT ran their second Der Stormer-esque Political Cartoon today.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/04/29/new-york-times-is-cesspool-israeli-ambassador-to-us-says/

Do we have a special counsel to investigate a 'Whale Dossier' provided by British Pay-Per-Spook frame artists? It'll only cost 50 million or so to get an answer in a couple of years or so.

And? You can live somewhere else if you have a problem. Never understood people complaining about being the best at something. Go somewhere else then and find something they do good and complain about it.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

I met the guy who wrote it and apparently Trump uses the whale as a dildo.

Musta been personally trained by Putin for when he couldn't make it over.

It was a hard job producing such a sleazy, psychotic, morally bankrupt, conniving, pandering, underhanded, corrupt field that it makes Trump look like the soul of sane deliberation, decorum and political brilliance, but the Dems and LibbyFucks managed.

jazz_music says

This country got hijacked by warlords and crooks and they got some serious payback coming.

Fine. Who's giving the payback? And how is proposed payback going to occur?

jazz_music says

You can live somewhere where people want to devote their entire GNP to never ending war.

I get we have troops stationed everywhere in the world. But have things gotten better or worse lately? Think about that. Shit happens, but if you had a child in the military right now, would you actually be concerned for real? They'd be more likely to die in a car crash right now in the states versus killed abroad.

jazz_music says

This country got hijacked by warlords and crooks and they got some serious payback coming.

Nobody's perfect.

Pete Buttigieg seen consorting with Republican leaders in tea rooms and truck stops!

Tenpoundbass says

In History?

So he was just a big fat phony.

Yup. I mean, seriously, like what about the Mongols under Genghis Khan? All they did was invade and kill. That was their whole way of life, and after Genghis it went on like that for centuries under his descendants.

Like incredible, epic slaughter. "It has been calculated that approximately 5% of the world's population were killed during Turco-Mongol invasions or in their immediate aftermath."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire

WookieMan says

jazz_music says

This country got hijacked by warlords and crooks and they got some serious payback coming.

Fine. Who's giving the payback? And how is proposed payback going to occur?

jazz_music says

You can live somewhere where people want to devote their entire GNP to never ending war.

I get we have troops stationed everywhere in the world. But have things gotten better or worse lately? Think about that. Shit happens, but if you had a child in the military right now, would you actually be concerned for real? They'd be more likely to die in a car crash right now in the states versus killed abroad.

what woke said was American style imperialism, perhaps even colonialism is good, justified. I can almost, for a moment, understand the rage of people under uncle sam's boot resorting to violent means. Sad.

OccasionalCortex says

TrumpingTits says

What 'book'? The show deviated too much and too fast for JRR to finish the series. So he's been publishing other books instead.

https://us.blastingnews.com/gaming/2017/08/george-rr-martin-talks-deviation-of-game-of-thrones-plot-from-his-books-001954979.html

Skip the books. He's a terrible writer. Banal, repetitive and poor character development. Fairly good plotting, I'll give him that.

There is no Colonialism. On what continent is New Bakersfield or New Pittsburgh?

We spent millions more to drop a precision guided munition when other countries drop a barrel bomb.

Jimmy Carter is another putz whose true attitudes have been revealed, esp. after the coming of God Emperor.

kt1652 says

what woke said was American style imperialism, perhaps even colonialism is good, justified. I can almost, for a moment, understand the rage of people under uncle sam's boot resorting to violent means. Sad.

If you want to shorten the name, it's Wook. That said, like I said, move. If you think the place you move to is just happy with the status quo and has zero interest in taking business from their neighbors or other people globally, let me know what country that is. Don't think it exists, but enjoy utopia. I'll enjoy the top dog.

In fact, the reason the Ayatollahs were able to take over Iran is because of Jimmuh Carter's bullshit Human Rights crap, which isolated the Shah and fermented violent revolt.

Instead of being replaced with Muh Democracy, he was replaced with a Theocratic Regime far more despotic. In 1988 they executed tens of thousands of people including kids in the course of a couple of weeks. To say nothing about making 13-year old boys charge over landmines in the name of Allah and the Revolution during the Iran-Iraq War.

Lefties can't consider the idea that there are less-than-stellar alternative outcomes or 2+ order effects from their policies.

We are the top dog and must keep it that way at all cost. Why we have 700 military bases around the world?
Abswer: For defense, Russia and China, they are threatening us by placing their countries so close to our military bases.

This is a valid point. I think this is indisputable.

jazz_music says

The White House also said the ATT "will only constrain responsible countries while allowing the irresponsible arms trade to continue," noting that major arms exporters such as Russia and China are not part of the deal.

I don't get it. We shouldn't be the worlds police force, etc. as I've seen from multiple commenters here. Yet we don't agree or finalize some treaty and we're ass holes and not "leading" or whatever? What the hell do people want? Like seriously?

And what difference does or will this topic make in your life? None. So move on. You're not getting shot by some Spanish dude, in America, with an illegally traded gun. This is what we're talking about here. And if Jesus in Spain gets shot with a rifle made in the good 'ole USA, again, what does that do for you? That hurt your soul? Guns are getting moved regardless of some piece of paper getting signed.

jazz_music says

"Today the President once again walked away from America's leadership role in the world and undermined international efforts to reduce human suffering caused by irresponsible and illegal arms transfers," said Stimson Managing Director Rachel Stohl, an arms trade expert who helped draft the treaty.

It's ridiculous.

The 2nd Amendment Guarantees to RKBA.

The Arms Industry is the one Manufactured Goods Industry we totally dominate.

The UN is indeed an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy.

The UNHRC hasn't written one single report on the huge rise in malnutrition in Venezuela, but sends 30 people every time a knife-wielding Paleban is shot after stabbing a 12-year old outside a deli for humbug Allah Akbar reasons.

kt1652 says

We are the top dog and must keep it that way at all cost. Why we have 700 military bases around the world?
Abswer: For defense, Russia and China, they are threatening us by placing their countries so close to our military bases.

And Russia and China and Iran want you to know that.

The sooner those bases are gone, the sooner they can invade and bomb to their heart's content without pesky Uncle Sam in the way.