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Ever notice when white people are the perpetrators, we get their picture. When it’s black people, we get stock photos of police cars.

I've watched that clip before. I think he's correct for sure as far as persuasion. But I also believe Trump understands the long game. Can see moves happening before others if that makes sense. I personally think he knows exactly how this impeachment proceeding is going to play out. He's shot down Biden (which literally could involve criminal proceedings, but I don't think that's the end goal) and he's now going to lock up the Senators running if the House does actually impeach (they would be stupid to do that, but that's something I think he counts on).

Think about if impeachment goes to the Senate? Harris, Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar, Booker and Bennet would either be locked up in impeachment proceedings, resign or not show up. There's not a single positive option for any of them if they're truly interested in running for President. Impeachment will almost wipe out half the current candidates still somewhat showing up in the polls. Biden is toast anyway you want to look at it even though he'll continue to poll well (supposedly).

You already need a massive amount of Republicans to flip for him to actually be removed from office (not going to happen). You have 6 democratic Senators that will need to decide between impeachment or a POTUS run. They're already at a massive deficit needing to get so many R's to flip, that losing 3-6 D Senators makes removal from office a 1,000% impossibility.

The fact remains that if Trump did something impeachable, the House would have done it already. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to figure out. This isn't an allegiance to anyone, just the facts as they sit there.

San Francisco tenderloin district is not middle of the country.

Society is mixed. Hard for any crime to not be inter-something. No two people are same.

HEYYOU says

The couple was absolutely drowning in debt, and they desperately needed a good year just to keep the farm going.

Living in farm country, in flyover country, I know farmers. Lots actually. There's ZERO reason for them to be $300k in debt. Farming never has been lucrative, never for your typical family farm. A problem arises when your land values triple or quadruple over a decade. You start trying to keep up with the Jones'. You then take out loans against the land and build an addition, get an $80k truck that is completely unnecessary when you absolutely have tractors and trailers that will outperform even the best of trucks.

Don't feel bad for farmers. Also, don't take on debt if you have 3 kids. That's retarded. Sell some land or cut back. Common sense. Somehow Trump did that though....

Don't feel bad for farmers. Also, don't take on debt if you have 3 kids.

I remember that stuff happening in the 80's. Farmers had land that had been in the family for generations, yet somehow managed to squander it.

HeadSet says

I remember that stuff happening in the 80's. Farmers had land that had been in the family for generations, yet somehow managed to squander it.

The last decade or so has been rough on farmers out here in the Western burbs of Chicago, but it's 90% their own fault. No different than the housing crisis. Sure the banks are fucks, but you still signed up to take on debt that wasn't beneficial to your operations. It was so you could have a pretty truck and other nonsense. That's not what farming was about 50 years ago or longer.

What any of this has with "Silicon Valley drug culture"? It's obviously a "rich bored guy drug culture" issue. Now, if lowly ICs started to overdose on heroin every month in any significant numbers....

Dude could have at least went out with some class like David Carradine.

One guy die, and that's a "culture".

Because climate change is not real.

Climate Change is one of the nicely made up religions of the left, fake sky daddy... or what do they say again when they talk about Christians?

The homeless ARE a wellspring of professional clients for the litigation machinery. Best professional client is the aggrieved one with nothing to lose and everything to gain with legal extortion and blackmail.

What else does one do with millions in fake currency?

KNEEL_AND_BLOW_ME says

Wall Street is awash in federal money to float investors while employment participation is lowest ever.

The graph ends at what is presumably the end of 2016.... also with a very large fluctuation during that last year. Not sure what the point is of posting this graph.

Give people a decade of flat line growth and they'll adapt accordingly. My family sure did and we're now making about 10-15% more on one income versus two. And it isn't because of Trump either if you think that's what I'm hinting at.

KNEEL_AND_BLOW_ME says

... while employment participation is lowest ever.

No it isn't. Why does your curve stops years ago?
Plus boomers retirement causing lower participation is not unexpected.

HEYYOU says

"For Millions Of Americans In The Middle Of The Country, It Feels Like An Economic Depression Right Now"

That's why we need to import a few more millions of illegals, so that wages of less-qualified workers can be depressed even more...

Again Liberals playing Barry Goldwater Politics in 2019.
I do hope the Idiot Left realizes that if you took every Evangelical in the United States there would only be enough to fill a 20 seat Church in every town in the US.
That's barely a detectable sampling of the voters out there.

Look Jesus and Fox have divorced, the Liberals are going to have to get a new thing to bitch about.
Fox news is more about Juan Williams and Donna Brasil and the Evangelicals are about as off the mark as this Commie Pope is.
Neither even rate in the top 25,000 things actual Trump voters think about. They don't turn to the Evangelicals when they witness the Pure Evil in the Democrat party.
They turn to the ballot box.

Trump is better than Jesus, as he is ORANGE! and promises Heaven on Earth!

KNEEL_AND_BLOW_ME says

They say religion started when the first scoundrel met up with the first fool.

No, that's global warming.

Not a cult at all!

Hirono: “Believe in climate change as though it is a religion and it’s not a Science”

www.youtube.com/embed/15pJV4IV_js

Hirono is a complete moron, and a disgrace to the Aloha State. She does nothing but grandstand and tow the national democratic party line while homelessness and drug use is exploding back home. Hawaii may be a democratic state but locals are very conservative and vote democrat to support unions. Only Haoles bring their stupid "progressive" democratic thoughts to the islands. This lady needs to go, Hawaii needs real leaders.

OccasionalCortex says

WookieMan says

Harris, Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar, Booker and Bennet would either be locked up in impeachment proceedings, resign

Why would they have to resign? They can simply recuse themselves (not show up) or ask Roberts to recuse them if he doesn't ask them first.

That's exactly my point. If they recuse themselves, by default they give up on the impeachment process. If they believed in it they'd stick around. Resign, recuse, whatever. The terms don't matter. The house impeaches, they bury some of what currently are their most viable candidates (not my opinion, just reality). They're literally going to kill any potential consensus candidate if the house impeaches.

OccasionalCortex says

Oh yeah it does. Recuse means they are still Senators. Resign is WAY different. That means they quite the Senate, which they not only do not have to do but is a BIG DIFFERENCE to themselves and their Kool-Aid drinkers.

I think they're one in the same. If the house impeaches and these Senators recuse themselves, it's the equivalent of quitting to the people that voted them into office. They're toast when they go up for reelection. They will be vilified as letting the bad orange man get off free of charge if they recuse themselves.

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Another interesting thread on Patrick.net. Thanks.

If the impeachment fails (since Senate will not remove him even if the House brings charges against him) and Trump wins a second term, does that mean we have to endure four more years of this attempt to remove him from office? Can you impeach a president more than once a so long it's not for the same "crime". Is this a case of at first you dont succeed they try again? I don't care for Tump personally but I feel the case to remove him from office is a weak one. After 3 plus years they'd be better of focusing on policy rather than procedure.

The house. What a joke.
The house is akin to the ISIS JV team...

GreaterNYCDude says

does that mean we have to endure four more years of this attempt to remove him from office?

Not if we flip enough districts, and the House goes Red. Pelosi loses her chair job and the impeachment train gets derailed. It’s the only path towards sanity.

GreaterNYCDude says

If the impeachment fails (since Senate will not remove him even if the House brings charges against him) and Trump wins a second term, does that mean we have to endure four more years of this attempt to remove him from office? Can you impeach a president more than once a so long it's not for the same "crime". Is this a case of at first you dont succeed they try again? I don't care for Tump personally but I feel the case to remove him from office is a weak one. After 3 plus years they'd be better of focusing on policy rather than procedure.

Calm down. Don't let common sense get the better of you. Remember, this is a pro Trump site ;) lol.

Onvacation says

Does anyone dispute the facts?

I'd say that no one disputes facts. Instead, they dispute the perceived idea that they are somehow lesser or unworthy. Or that they are safe when they do not feel safe.

It's much harder to be kind than to be right. No one really cares if anyone else is right.

The real debate takes place on a different level.

Wow, that's quite a pivot.

I guess it's no longer illegal for a President to ask for criminal investigations with a country that we have a treat with... to share info pertaining to ciminial investigations.

Vote Republican no matter what in 2020.

jazz_music says

SCHIFF TO FOCUS IMPEACHMENT ON BRIBERY

Maybe Schiff should try basing it on reality instead.

Joefour20 says

Uhhhh? You do realize that there can be more than 1 article of impeachment?

Name one worthy article of impeachment in Trump's case? Like a legitimate reason. Let's start there before we even worry about Clinton's multiple charges.

Joefour20 says

I find, often, what some think are facts are merely opinions.

Onvacation says

Biden and his son are corrupt. Your article never disputes the FACT that Hunter received a lot of money from a corrupt Ukrainian company and Joe got the investigator of the company fired in an actual quid pro quo for US aid. Joe Biden bragged about it and Trump asked Ukraine to investigate.

Do you dispute the opinion that Hunter made a corrupt deal with Ukraine?

Joefour20 says

The Ukrainian president was going to get the dough in exchange for announcing investigations into the Biden.

Joe Biden the corrupt ex vice president? Or Hunter Biden his corrupt son? Or do you think Trump wanted them both investigated?

Joefour20 says

Hmm, I don't think they have drawn them up yet

Alllllllllll righty then!

TrumpingTits says

Can't wait to see the GOP rip these 'witnesses' apart

Yeah, we know....

TrumpingTits says

Nope. Senators skip out on committee meetings, etc all the time.

I know, but this is the impeachment of the person ALL their voting constituents hate. Not quite a basic committee meeting. There will be consequences if they're MIA on this.
TrumpingTits says

They will claim that the Evil GOP made them recuse themselves, that if they were in the trial, they would vote to remove Trump no matter what, yada-yada yada. It would be the best of both worlds for them actually.

That's a logical point. But the people wanting Trump impeached CAN'T make excuses for their Senators not being involved (if it actually gets there). It's hypocrisy to the highest degree.

Joefour20 says

What is this corrupt deal Hunter made with Ukrainian that you speak of?

You know. TDS makes some people act ignorant.

Joefour20 says

spinless Republicans.

No such thing
They are as bad as the Democrats.

Joefour20 says

Are we sure that NPP's end game is removal from office and not merely impeachment?

There is no end game as we'll see today. This is a rudderless ship going right towards the rocks.