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OccasionalCortex says

Oh yeah it does. Recuse means they are still Senators. Resign is WAY different. That means they quite the Senate, which they not only do not have to do but is a BIG DIFFERENCE to themselves and their Kool-Aid drinkers.

I think they're one in the same. If the house impeaches and these Senators recuse themselves, it's the equivalent of quitting to the people that voted them into office. They're toast when they go up for reelection. They will be vilified as letting the bad orange man get off free of charge if they recuse themselves.

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Another interesting thread on Patrick.net. Thanks.

If the impeachment fails (since Senate will not remove him even if the House brings charges against him) and Trump wins a second term, does that mean we have to endure four more years of this attempt to remove him from office? Can you impeach a president more than once a so long it's not for the same "crime". Is this a case of at first you dont succeed they try again? I don't care for Tump personally but I feel the case to remove him from office is a weak one. After 3 plus years they'd be better of focusing on policy rather than procedure.

The house. What a joke.
The house is akin to the ISIS JV team...

GreaterNYCDude says

does that mean we have to endure four more years of this attempt to remove him from office?

Not if we flip enough districts, and the House goes Red. Pelosi loses her chair job and the impeachment train gets derailed. It’s the only path towards sanity.

GreaterNYCDude says

If the impeachment fails (since Senate will not remove him even if the House brings charges against him) and Trump wins a second term, does that mean we have to endure four more years of this attempt to remove him from office? Can you impeach a president more than once a so long it's not for the same "crime". Is this a case of at first you dont succeed they try again? I don't care for Tump personally but I feel the case to remove him from office is a weak one. After 3 plus years they'd be better of focusing on policy rather than procedure.

Calm down. Don't let common sense get the better of you. Remember, this is a pro Trump site ;) lol.

Onvacation says

Does anyone dispute the facts?

I'd say that no one disputes facts. Instead, they dispute the perceived idea that they are somehow lesser or unworthy. Or that they are safe when they do not feel safe.

It's much harder to be kind than to be right. No one really cares if anyone else is right.

The real debate takes place on a different level.

Wow, that's quite a pivot.

I guess it's no longer illegal for a President to ask for criminal investigations with a country that we have a treat with... to share info pertaining to ciminial investigations.

Vote Republican no matter what in 2020.

jazz_music says

SCHIFF TO FOCUS IMPEACHMENT ON BRIBERY

Maybe Schiff should try basing it on reality instead.

Joefour20 says

Uhhhh? You do realize that there can be more than 1 article of impeachment?

Name one worthy article of impeachment in Trump's case? Like a legitimate reason. Let's start there before we even worry about Clinton's multiple charges.

Joefour20 says

I find, often, what some think are facts are merely opinions.

Onvacation says

Biden and his son are corrupt. Your article never disputes the FACT that Hunter received a lot of money from a corrupt Ukrainian company and Joe got the investigator of the company fired in an actual quid pro quo for US aid. Joe Biden bragged about it and Trump asked Ukraine to investigate.

Do you dispute the opinion that Hunter made a corrupt deal with Ukraine?

Joefour20 says

The Ukrainian president was going to get the dough in exchange for announcing investigations into the Biden.

Joe Biden the corrupt ex vice president? Or Hunter Biden his corrupt son? Or do you think Trump wanted them both investigated?

Joefour20 says

Hmm, I don't think they have drawn them up yet

Alllllllllll righty then!

TrumpingTits says

Can't wait to see the GOP rip these 'witnesses' apart

Yeah, we know....

TrumpingTits says

Nope. Senators skip out on committee meetings, etc all the time.

I know, but this is the impeachment of the person ALL their voting constituents hate. Not quite a basic committee meeting. There will be consequences if they're MIA on this.
TrumpingTits says

They will claim that the Evil GOP made them recuse themselves, that if they were in the trial, they would vote to remove Trump no matter what, yada-yada yada. It would be the best of both worlds for them actually.

That's a logical point. But the people wanting Trump impeached CAN'T make excuses for their Senators not being involved (if it actually gets there). It's hypocrisy to the highest degree.

Joefour20 says

What is this corrupt deal Hunter made with Ukrainian that you speak of?

You know. TDS makes some people act ignorant.

Joefour20 says

spinless Republicans.

No such thing
They are as bad as the Democrats.

Joefour20 says

Are we sure that NPP's end game is removal from office and not merely impeachment?

There is no end game as we'll see today. This is a rudderless ship going right towards the rocks.

Joefour20 says

your accusation of corruption?

$50k/month for a no show job in a corrupt country he did not speak the language in an industry he had no knowledge of in a corrupt company that paid him for being the vice president's son. And then Joe got the corrupt company's investigator fired in exchange for US aid.

Sums it up unless you have TDS.

I'll give you this. Nunes is an awful public speaker. Jesus.

Lol. IF (they won't) they get Hunter up there, I'd love to hear his intro from Schiff. Nobody fucking cares about this military ball licking. I hate it when the R's do it. Nobody actually cares.

I'm sorry, how is this different than Evangelical warmongers supporting every Republican President since Reagan?

I watched the first 5 minutes of Shiff's lead-in remarks and almost puked. A toadying opinion piece with no substance. The Rep response was blistering, and pretty much summed up what the American public already knows: these baseless arguments are a shameful attempt to deflect public opinion. The Dems have no viable candidate for election, so they must "un-elect" Trump instead. They think it's "keeping their base happy." Mueller didn't work, but let's keep trying!!

All this posturing is preventing lawmakers from doing actual, meaningful work in service to citizens. The swamp can't be drained fast enough.

Don’t vote for Trump because AWFUL TERRIBLE BAD NASTY evangelical CHRISTIANS are voting for him! Well, many of them are. Anyway, religion is bad and scary and you should vote for Satanists and Muslims instead!

Joefour20 says

Through out these hearing remember "only the mob takes the fifth"

Yah Democrats just say “I don’t recall” 143 times per deposition. Ma Clinton showed us the way!

If they do impeach, it’s going to go extremely poorly for them when Senate Republicans are in charge of this process and get the final word. I’d be surprised if most of the D senators vote to impeach. Betting we get a lot of “present” votes.

Joefour20 says

Still no link that doesn't lead back to John Solomon?

FFS - here is the interview of Hunter Biden admitting that he wouldn't haven't gotten the cushy gig at the Ukrainian oil company if he wasn't the son of the the Vice President.

Most normal people understand this was a bribe to have influence in US politics.

www.youtube.com/embed/IFlZPnS0gKc

Rudder removed! lol. This is hysterical. He can't remember the lies he's been fed. This is a stammering idiot. (Taylor)

Joefour20 says

Still no link that doesn't lead back to John Solomon?

Who's John Solomon?

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html

Onvacation says

Who's John Solomon?

Never mind I googled him.

What does John Solomon have to do with the Bidens being corrupt?

Tim Aurora says

Republicans are changing the rules of the game but someday they will be at the other end.

Yah, how are Democrats supposed to make money if the stupid republicans keep changing all the rules and start enforcing bribery laws?

Tim Aurora says

Beyond anything, even if it is a political suicide, you cannot have a president that keeps on interfering with the elections. Maybe the impeachment will stop that.

like procuring suspicious memorandums on their campaigns from foreign sources and having state authorities spy on their campaigns?

Tim Aurora says

Beyond anything, even if it is a political suicide, you cannot have a president that keeps on interfering with the elections. Maybe the impeachment will stop that.

It’s his job as head of his party to interfere with elections. He went to Kentucky and Alabama recently to conduct rallies in an attempt to drum up support for GOP candidates. He’s also been known to say disparaging things about Democrat candidates. It’s all election interference. And it’s all so entirely normal that it’s not even mentioned as wrong.
Find another hill to die on.

Lol is all!

@Joefour20 - You watching this? Democrats are fucking dying right now. They keep deferring the time back to Schiff. He's sooooooooo fucked. This is a disaster.

Do people not understand what the fuck is going on right now? This is epic.

Waiting for Quigley. I've met him multiple times. Walking cunt.

Castro is high as a kite. Lol. This is great.

WookieMan says

Do people not understand what the fuck is going on right now? This is epic.

I wondered why the stock market shot up to record highs suddenly today.

They had to choose...
Because it's written: "You can't serve them both, God and Mammon."...