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Lemme see, people like Clinton's and Pelosi get filthy rich in politics, and Trump is the con man?

Funny how that works.

It was surreal how Biden got his son a kickback, but investigating kickback is a crime.

HeadSet says

Lemme see, people like Clinton's and Pelosi get filthy rich in politics, and Trump is the con man?

It was surreal how Biden got his son a kickback

It was not a mere kickback, it was outright bribe and influence peddling with Hunter as the conduit to the Vice President, who was specifically put in charge of Ukrainian matters.

That’s one website for crazy delusional people on the left.

President Trump told his national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into Democrats including the Bidens, according to an unpublished manuscript by the former adviser, John R. Bolton.

The president’s statement as described by Mr. Bolton could undercut a key element of his impeachment defense: that the holdup in aid was separate from Mr. Trump’s requests that Ukraine announce investigations into his perceived enemies, including former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son Hunter Biden, who had worked for a Ukrainian energy firm while his father was in office.

I wish that at least a few right wingers on this forum could admit that this is probably true, and that they understand that the impeachment fight is more about helping Trump get acquitted even though he is guilty of this. Instead they lie to themselves and others in a way that only reflects poorly on their character and or reasoning ability.

This sounds like Trump asked an advisor about the consequences of doing something, his advisor stated the likely consequences, and then Trump decided not to do it. That's the entire point of confidential advisors to the president.

Schiff will question Bolton under oath. Bolton will say Trump asked about various different things (blowing up Iran, exploding nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes, calling out the army to shoot anyone jumping the border, etc). That and only that will play on endless loops on the fake-news media. Then, under cross, Bolton will say that when told the consequences that Trump said: "OK, nevermind, we definitely won't do that." That part will be scrubbed from the news. That's pretty much how everything played out in the kabuki theatre House investigation. Things will be somewhat different in the senate, but the fake-news media will have to actively suppress the cross examinations.

Various Democrats are touting that 50% (or whatever %) want witnesses in the trial. They don't realize that most of the people wanting witnesses are actually Trump supporters. Let's call some witnesses to the stand: Schiff, Nadler, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, The Leaker, etc.

libbies opened the door to acceptance of lawlessness with their open borders and sanctuary cities.
now, nobody gives a fuck what law trump broke.
whats good for the donkeys is good for the elephants.

BlueSardine says

libbies opened the door to acceptance of lawlessness with their open borders and sanctuary cities.
now, nobody gives a fuck what law trump broke.
whats good for the donkeys is good for the elephants.

If Trump broke a law, don't you think the House Democrats would have slapped that onto the impeachment charges? The Dems shopped a whole bunch of possible articles of impeachment. None of the ones that could be backed by legal statue made the Democrat's extremely low bar.

That said, presidents often push the legal boundaries. Trump has, so far, been very successful with the supreme court siding with him in the main. And it's not just that the court is slightly skewed conservative; several of his victories have been unanimous.

SunnyvaleCA says

with their open borders

What open borders ? Obama beefed up border security big time.

Right wingers sure live interesting fantasy lives.

marcus says

SunnyvaleCA says

with their open borders

What open borders ? Obama beefed up border security big time.

Right wingers sure live interesting fantasy lives.

That was a weird quotation. I think it was BlueSardine with the phrase "with their open borders" this particular time. Oh well.

marcus says

I wish that at least a few right wingers on this forum could admit that this is probably true, and that they understand that the impeachment fight is more about helping Trump get acquitted even though he is guilty of this.

You contradict yourself in your own sentence while throwing shade at other members here. It's either true or not. Unless there's a recording of the conversation it's a he said, he said situation. It's not provable and therefore Trump cannot be guilty of anything based off Bolton's comments. Is that flawed reasoning?

And you ignore the headline of the OP.

HEYYOU says

"Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says""

Is it valid reasoning that Bolton might be trying to make some $$$ on this? By saying something that cannot be proven under potential perjury charges if he does testify? You can't prove perjury with a conversation between two men who are disagreeing with how the conversation went. So he puts it in a book to sell said book. This really isn't all that complicated.

marcus says

SunnyvaleCA says

with their open borders

What open borders ? Obama beefed up border security big time.

Right wingers sure live interesting fantasy lives.

Every Dem candidate running today is for open borders, curtailment of ICE, and enticements like free medical care and sanctuary cities.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

GLOBOHOMO! JOHN! IS OUR GREATEST ENEMY!

I agree with you on that - I don't really like the idea that all problems can be solved by bombings and invasions.

There is no war the GLOBOHOMO! Bolton has not supported.

What is worse - grabbing WOMYN by the pussy, shooting mouth off in an uncivilized fashion, or killing tens of thousands of civilians in "collateral damage"?

Lt. Col. Vindman is the one who exposed himself as the Leaker. It was given to his office to go over to make sure nothing was classified.

Numb nuts Trump hired a guy from a different cult. Bomb the shit out of em Bolton's cult dont like Putin or Kim. Wants to rat Trump out. Maybe if Trump would have invaded Iran he would have kept his mouth shut. Sad.

Fuck Bolton. He’s asshoe!

Bloodthirsty Neocon Warmongering Psychopath says: BOMB TRUMP! So predictable.

rd6B says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

GLOBOHOMO! JOHN! IS OUR GREATEST ENEMY!

I agree with you on that - I don't really like the idea that all problems can be solved by bombings and invasions.

There is no war the GLOBOHOMO! Bolton has not supported.

What is worse - grabbing WOMYN by the pussy, shooting mouth off in an uncivilized fashion, or killing tens of thousands of civilians in "collateral damage"?

lol agreed - deport Bolton!

Shooters must be so-called white supremacists:

https://wpde.com/news/local/hartsville-police-make-arrests-in-deadly-club-shooting
Also, shooter has a long criminal history, including prior charges for armed robbery and attempted murder. Why was he not in jail?

Still looking hot at 54 - must be the combo of American-Italian and Conservative - go Pam!

FAP FAP FAP

She totally owned them. I don’t think Biden’s testimony is needed. She presented plenty of facts about their criminal conspiracy to leverage political power into financial windfall.
And this is typical for politicians, which is why most of the Senate doesn’t want to get into it.

Ukraine has no extradition treaty with USA. Maybe time for the Bidens to start packing their bags.

I bet these swing like a pendulum.

FAP FAP FAP

"Did you do the motorboat? You motorboating son of a bitch!"

Another example proving that moderate and conservative chicks are simply hotter by all counts. Some of the 24 year olds progressive-regressives here in leftoid land can't compete with his 54 yr old, i.e. the wall for SJWs already hits in the mid 20s.

Everybody enjoys a little jiggle and giggle with their exposes.

ask bolton if the weapons of mass destruction made him say it

Dems fucked up now they will reap what they sow.

It is incumbent to return our news outlets to these balanced perspectives.

Shaman says

I don’t think Biden’s testimony is needed.

We need it. Put it on payperview and AMERICA! will tune in to see a senile senior citizen embarrass himself.
He might not be aware where he is, leading to major blunders.

Hunter and Burisma need to be investigated. These kids are just a symptom of the corruptness of their parents. The same nepotism and cronyism goes on in our intelligence agencies as well. They think they have the right to pillage and plunder with no repercussions. Power corrupts.

Our system is corrupt from the Federal Reserve (not federal no reserves) to the incredibly wealthy politicians who claim to be our servants.

Drain the swamp.

I am all for institutionalizing Joe so he does not wander around wetting his pants and sniffing kids.

Barr doesn't arrest, he blobs and bloviates.

Democrats are in a no win situation. Pick Bernie and corporations and rich turn on you. Or turn on Bernie and his followers stay home and say fuck dems what's the point.

You know, Bernie has to survive to be nominated. Wonder if any betting agency has already set up a dead pool.

OK, I'll bite and be a 'tard. Why only 34 votes?

Unless Hillary comes in to save the day!

If they hose Bernie, they will (a) lose election, and (b) splinter Democratic party. As a minimum, there will be a re-run of 1968 Chicago Democratic convention...