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Tim Aurora says

4. I know you will not agree but our worldwide standing was very good during Obama years

Yet the world was on fire during the Obama years and our enemies and allies were walking all over us:

- Russia was gobbling up Ukraine and shooting down airliners
- ISIS was running rampant in Iraq and the Middle East ethnically cleansing ancient Christian and Yazidi communities
- Syria was imploding
- Iran was capturing US Navy sailors and humiliating them on TV
- ISIS terrorists were attacking Europe and North America
- Libya destroyed
- Saudi Arabia/Yemen at war

What good does the "good standing" for Obama do for America and the rest of the world?

socal2 says

- Russia was gobbling up Ukraine and shooting down airliners

FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

You are on the goddamned Internet Will one of you please, for the LOVE OF FUCKING GOD, talk to somebody in Ukraine and ask them what actually went on instead of just repeating the COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT of our Propaganda "news" Media? FUCKING PLEASE?

Russia did not attack Ukraine. Ukraine had a coup engineered by the United States to prevent the Nordstream II pipeline going online because this competes against US interests. The lunatic they installed was some fascist nutcase that HATED Russians and he openly threatened to murder them.

Well Crimea is something like 97% ethnic Russian and the new dear leader was some fucking crazy lunatic saying that ethnic Russians ought to be killed. Now Crimea is mostly ethnic Russian with people who speak Russian, because it's been part of Russia for longer than the United States has existed. The only reason it became part of Ukraine is that Khrushchev gave it to Crimea as an act of good faith, which was meaningless because Ukraine was basically part of the USSR anyhow. Who knew in 1954 that the USSR would fall apart at the end of 1991?

Even if Crimea wasn't filled with Russians with a lunatic moron running Ukraine threatening to kill them, Russia wasn't going to give up Crimea - it is their only warm water port.

In any case, the people of Crimea were given a rushed referendum, become independent or part of Russia. They rejoined Russia.

If you go to Ukraine, you will find Crimea to be doing very well, and Ukraine, not so well.

Russia didn't steal it, they didn't even invade Ukraine. If Russia wanted to take over Ukraine, believe me, they could do it in a matter of days. No reason to bother though. Russia has 11 time zones, the last thing they need is more land to deal with.

Tim Aurora says

1. The Thread is not about Climate Control. Stay on the topic
2. Obama did Obama-care ( Affordable Healthcare act)
3. Reversed the Great recession to start a very vibrant economy
4. I know you will not agree but our worldwide standing was very good during Obama years

richwicks says

How much better of an insulator is pure CO2 than pure Nitrogen? You can fill up a tube with both, at 1 atmosphere, and then shine an infra-red laser through it. If one retains heat better than the other, you'll be able to measure the decrease of intensity of the infra-red laser on the other end.

My health insurance went from 25000 to 30000 a year under the "affordable care act"

WTF do you break one post up into two?

Tim Aurora says

Of course there is . Their economic model are different. Bush cut taxes ( like Trump) and Obama raised taxes and yet had one of the best economy

richwicks says

You realize there is no difference between Obama and Bush, right? Obama bailed out the banking system - that's what QE is. Are they not "rich"? They are, and they are entirely unproductive. The banking class doesn't produce ANYTHING - they are the priorities for being bailed out by both parties.

Obama's economy was as shitty as Bush's economy. They just lied about the employment numbers. Trump does the same thing.

Tim Aurora says

Bringing back Manufacturing is great idea, except the new manufacturing is robotic and will just employ, one tenth of the earlier levels and you will still be complaining about "lost manufacturing jobs"

richwicks says

We have to bring manufacturing home, because the dollar is going to collapse. We won't be able to afford to buy anything from China.

Whatever, we still need to bring it back.

Also, robots aren't the panacea you think they are. If manufacturing is just robots - why have them in China anyhow? If you're using a machine to manufacture - why would it be cheaper to operate it in China than in the United States? It's because the belief that manufacturing is mostly robots today, is wrong.

Poll must has consisted of CNN employees or welfare recipients.

Thanks, Obama!

This is all by design by the mainstream media working with the American Left to take down America during this election year.

If Biden wins, all of this goes away by late spring or summer of 2021. Then the mainstream media will declare that Biden and his Vice President (and President upcoming) have resolved the coronavirus pandemic.

Obama is the only Nobel Prize winner that has bombed another Nobel prize winner. I would guess that our more liberal Patnetters have forgotten this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

On 3 October 2015, a United States Air Force AC-130U gunship attacked the Kunduz Trauma Centre operated by Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), or Doctors Without Borders in the city of Kunduz, in the province of the same name in northern Afghanistan. It has been reported that at least 42 people were killed and over 30 were injured.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

Médecins Sans Frontières condemned the incident, saying all warring parties had been notified of the hospital's location ahead of time, and that the airstrike was deliberate, a breach of international humanitarian law and MSF is working on the presumption of a war crime.

Yay...

Obama prioritized transgender bathrooms and fag marriage as a main issue to work on while country was struggling with unemployment and poverty. Clown world winner.

Left is bunch of moronic trashy retards.

You are saying all manufacturing is robotic, yet in China all those workers aren’t robots. So hello? Logic please.

Maybe some of the excess deaths are being caused by the shutdown

LibbyFuck way of counting the Covid deaths: Everybody who died and multiply by two.

Undertakers in New York are stating that virtually everybody, whether tested or not, who can be listed as Covid death are. One woman had to demand an autopsy to prove that her mother DIDN'T die of Covid.

We don't have the vaguest idea of who has actually died of Covid due to rampant purposeful fraud. The numbers are pretty small for true Covid deaths is all that can be said.

richwicks says

Tenpoundbass says

That Bestest President ever of yours, is about to go to Jail.

No he won't.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

Tenpoundbass says

That Bestest President ever of yours, is about to go to Jail.

No he won't.

It doesn't matter!

Did Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, etc - violate the law, constantly?

Yes - of course they did.

They will never go to jail though.

We do not have a justice system! Don't you understand that?

Why U Mad when Patriots find another way to coordinate with pissed off like minded people after Google, Facebook and Twitter tried to silence them?

Liberals will not win this.

No one should trust the polls after the last election

Zero HedgeHog peddling Peter Schiff's doom'n'gloom "wisdom". How fresh.

What's funny is that now it's the loonies on the left who's loving and reposting that shit. =))

Zerohedge every day: Buy Gold and Silver, they're going up to $20,000/oz and $100/oz respectively.

jazz_music says

Can't dismiss the source as Left Wing?

It has always been Russian asset. And Schif has always been a kook.

Quck, quote some RT to refute this.

TDS is a real concern, consult your doctor.

Meltdown was probably catalyzed by virus, but at some point they should have melted down as they always do...so what we see there depends on what we like in politics.

ZH is a cesspool of Putler's propaganda, unfortunately, even though they have a decent article now and then. And Schiff has been crying wolf about US Dollar collapse since 2006 or so. At some point, he gets tiresome...

Stock market hasn't melted that much. Kinna melted and rebounded, which illustrates that it wasn't just a fluff market.

Dems/progressives are probably angry it wasn't a lot worse, and are probably scrambling to come up with some other market killing strategy before the elections. After all, they are so concerned about the welfare of The People. It's why they are pumping the propaganda Panic Pandemic so hard, they are puffing their cheeks at the sails to keep the fraud boat going. Kill the jobs and the economy to gain political capital. After all, it's about The People and saving lives etc. We can see their tender concerns for the common man in action herre.

jazz_music says

Who's Putler?

Putin, who is wannabee Hitler, ergo Putler, the purchaser of our sad politicians.
He is now hiding in his bunker, afraid from associates poloniuming him because they lost a lot of money in the oil crash.

jazz_music says

There are few things more boring than a gold salesman.

how true, he sounds like a broken record

jazz_music says

"MSM is the enemy of the people"

"Fake news"

AGREED!

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Patrick says

No one should trust the polls after the last election

You mean becasue they predicted Hillary would win the popular vote ?

It was found that web domain thebritisharecoming.org was registered by a Boston silversmith Paul Revere which means the whole American Revolution thing was a fake grassroot movement.

DOW SLIPS MORE THAN 560 POINTS; PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCES OPENING OF U.S. STRATEGIC STOCK MARKET RESERVE, WHICH WILL BUY SHARES OF ANY $SPX COMPANY DOWN OVER 1%, SHARES TO BE KEPT IN A LOCKBOX -FOX BUSINESS

jazz_music says

Why? Don't they want to retire someday too?

They want to retire on a generous government pension given to them, not on the money they will have to save and invest their whole life, silly.

It's not a Market Crash because Trump didn't say "Mother May I".

How infantile can one party be?

Tim Aurora says

komputodo says

That sounds like a moronic tourist that goes to a 3rd world country...spreads a few dollars around...the natives smile and take the money...then the tourist come back home and tells all his friends how the natives love americans..lol

I guess they want him to spread a few more dollars around

jazz_music says

this economy that has little to do with what people make and buy, and more to do with debts and finance.

This is a pile of bullshit right there.

jazz_music says

he billionaires are getting all the returns on the market

This is a pile of bullshit right there. Many ordinary people who had the mettle to save and invest are getting returns on the market.

jazz_music says

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/did-not-cause-b

But you already knew that.

Back on 24 December 2018 all the major indices were down about 20% or more. The S&P 500's P/E ratio (ttm) was around 19, which put it in over-valued territory and below the bubble territory.

Then there was a run-up of about 32% from January 2019 to middle of February 2020.

We were due for at least a 25% correction. Dr Doom (i.e., Professor Roubini) has forecasted about a 35% crash from this pandemic. The S&P 500 already dropped 35% back in March.

Goldman Sachs is forecasting the S&P 500 at 3000 at end of 2020. It peaked to 3393 back in February.

TEOTWAWKI says

Zero HedgeHog peddling Peter Schiff's doom'n'gloom "wisdom". How fresh.

A large segment of Zero Hedge (ZH) is made of eternal gold bugs and perma bears like Peter Schiff.

You don't get much value-analysis and consumer spending forecasts on ZH like you do other sites like Seeking Alpha.

Don't get me wrong, its good to hedge even if you buy a silver ETF and not silver eagle coins, as well as buy commodities like US Natural Gas Fund and even the major energy conglomerates or integrateds like Exxon and Chevron.

I'd say have about 25% of your portfolio in commodities exposure like that going into another Federal Reserve driven run up of the stock market. I just remember back in late 2013 listening to the CNBC pundits even admitting back then that 50% of the market rally from 2009 was due to the Federal Reserve policies and federal government stimulus spending.

What readers may not realize is that there is new money every day seeking a place to be invested.

Pick a poor country with extreme poverty, and they have rich who buy investments.

Mexico, Philippines, etc. rich people are buying something and if interest rates are low, it will be stocks.

It won’t be all stocks because some industries are not doing well now.

I’m going to seek more income this summer to buy some more.

logic says

Fortwaynemobile says

You are saying all manufacturing is robotic

Who are you talking to? Who is saying all manufacturing is by robots? you understand what the word 'new' means? Do you understand that when someone says 'will be' they are talking about the future not the present.

A poster above, and still wrong. All manufacturing isn’t automated. It’s too expensive. Look at spaceX and Tesla

You have to be challenged not to know that 80% economic shut down caused the stock market drop. I'm actually impressed and expected worse earnings so far. What the article is hinting at and exaggerating is that stocks were toppy before, but a normal correction would never have dropped more than 5-10% in the MAGA economy.

mell says

What the article is hinting at and exaggerating is that stocks were toppy before, but a normal correction would never have dropped more than 5-10% in the MAGA economy.

I don't think we would have seen a 35% correction like we did in March.

Without the pandemic, maybe we would have seen a 25% drop from the peak of 3393 for the S&P 500 given how the economy has done since Trump's election.

I have to keep my records as a Public Official secret!

People can't know what I did when I was in Public Office in the Senate years ago! It might be subject to questioning!