patrick.net

Maybe some of the excess deaths are being caused by the shutdown

LibbyFuck way of counting the Covid deaths: Everybody who died and multiply by two.

Undertakers in New York are stating that virtually everybody, whether tested or not, who can be listed as Covid death are. One woman had to demand an autopsy to prove that her mother DIDN'T die of Covid.

We don't have the vaguest idea of who has actually died of Covid due to rampant purposeful fraud. The numbers are pretty small for true Covid deaths is all that can be said.

richwicks says

Tenpoundbass says

That Bestest President ever of yours, is about to go to Jail.

No he won't.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

Tenpoundbass says

That Bestest President ever of yours, is about to go to Jail.

No he won't.

It doesn't matter!

Did Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, etc - violate the law, constantly?

Yes - of course they did.

They will never go to jail though.

We do not have a justice system! Don't you understand that?

Why U Mad when Patriots find another way to coordinate with pissed off like minded people after Google, Facebook and Twitter tried to silence them?

Liberals will not win this.

No one should trust the polls after the last election

Zero HedgeHog peddling Peter Schiff's doom'n'gloom "wisdom". How fresh.

What's funny is that now it's the loonies on the left who's loving and reposting that shit. =))

Zerohedge every day: Buy Gold and Silver, they're going up to $20,000/oz and $100/oz respectively.

jazz_music says

Can't dismiss the source as Left Wing?

It has always been Russian asset. And Schif has always been a kook.

Quck, quote some RT to refute this.

TDS is a real concern, consult your doctor.

Meltdown was probably catalyzed by virus, but at some point they should have melted down as they always do...so what we see there depends on what we like in politics.

ZH is a cesspool of Putler's propaganda, unfortunately, even though they have a decent article now and then. And Schiff has been crying wolf about US Dollar collapse since 2006 or so. At some point, he gets tiresome...

Stock market hasn't melted that much. Kinna melted and rebounded, which illustrates that it wasn't just a fluff market.

Dems/progressives are probably angry it wasn't a lot worse, and are probably scrambling to come up with some other market killing strategy before the elections. After all, they are so concerned about the welfare of The People. It's why they are pumping the propaganda Panic Pandemic so hard, they are puffing their cheeks at the sails to keep the fraud boat going. Kill the jobs and the economy to gain political capital. After all, it's about The People and saving lives etc. We can see their tender concerns for the common man in action herre.

jazz_music says

Who's Putler?

Putin, who is wannabee Hitler, ergo Putler, the purchaser of our sad politicians.
He is now hiding in his bunker, afraid from associates poloniuming him because they lost a lot of money in the oil crash.

jazz_music says

There are few things more boring than a gold salesman.

how true, he sounds like a broken record

jazz_music says

"MSM is the enemy of the people"

"Fake news"

AGREED!

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Patrick says

No one should trust the polls after the last election

You mean becasue they predicted Hillary would win the popular vote ?

It was found that web domain thebritisharecoming.org was registered by a Boston silversmith Paul Revere which means the whole American Revolution thing was a fake grassroot movement.

DOW SLIPS MORE THAN 560 POINTS; PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCES OPENING OF U.S. STRATEGIC STOCK MARKET RESERVE, WHICH WILL BUY SHARES OF ANY $SPX COMPANY DOWN OVER 1%, SHARES TO BE KEPT IN A LOCKBOX -FOX BUSINESS

jazz_music says

Why? Don't they want to retire someday too?

They want to retire on a generous government pension given to them, not on the money they will have to save and invest their whole life, silly.

It's not a Market Crash because Trump didn't say "Mother May I".

How infantile can one party be?

Tim Aurora says

komputodo says

That sounds like a moronic tourist that goes to a 3rd world country...spreads a few dollars around...the natives smile and take the money...then the tourist come back home and tells all his friends how the natives love americans..lol

I guess they want him to spread a few more dollars around

jazz_music says

this economy that has little to do with what people make and buy, and more to do with debts and finance.

This is a pile of bullshit right there.

jazz_music says

he billionaires are getting all the returns on the market

This is a pile of bullshit right there. Many ordinary people who had the mettle to save and invest are getting returns on the market.

jazz_music says

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/did-not-cause-b

But you already knew that.

Back on 24 December 2018 all the major indices were down about 20% or more. The S&P 500's P/E ratio (ttm) was around 19, which put it in over-valued territory and below the bubble territory.

Then there was a run-up of about 32% from January 2019 to middle of February 2020.

We were due for at least a 25% correction. Dr Doom (i.e., Professor Roubini) has forecasted about a 35% crash from this pandemic. The S&P 500 already dropped 35% back in March.

Goldman Sachs is forecasting the S&P 500 at 3000 at end of 2020. It peaked to 3393 back in February.

TEOTWAWKI says

Zero HedgeHog peddling Peter Schiff's doom'n'gloom "wisdom". How fresh.

A large segment of Zero Hedge (ZH) is made of eternal gold bugs and perma bears like Peter Schiff.

You don't get much value-analysis and consumer spending forecasts on ZH like you do other sites like Seeking Alpha.

Don't get me wrong, its good to hedge even if you buy a silver ETF and not silver eagle coins, as well as buy commodities like US Natural Gas Fund and even the major energy conglomerates or integrateds like Exxon and Chevron.

I'd say have about 25% of your portfolio in commodities exposure like that going into another Federal Reserve driven run up of the stock market. I just remember back in late 2013 listening to the CNBC pundits even admitting back then that 50% of the market rally from 2009 was due to the Federal Reserve policies and federal government stimulus spending.

What readers may not realize is that there is new money every day seeking a place to be invested.

Pick a poor country with extreme poverty, and they have rich who buy investments.

Mexico, Philippines, etc. rich people are buying something and if interest rates are low, it will be stocks.

It won’t be all stocks because some industries are not doing well now.

I’m going to seek more income this summer to buy some more.

logic says

Fortwaynemobile says

You are saying all manufacturing is robotic

Who are you talking to? Who is saying all manufacturing is by robots? you understand what the word 'new' means? Do you understand that when someone says 'will be' they are talking about the future not the present.

A poster above, and still wrong. All manufacturing isn’t automated. It’s too expensive. Look at spaceX and Tesla

You have to be challenged not to know that 80% economic shut down caused the stock market drop. I'm actually impressed and expected worse earnings so far. What the article is hinting at and exaggerating is that stocks were toppy before, but a normal correction would never have dropped more than 5-10% in the MAGA economy.

mell says

What the article is hinting at and exaggerating is that stocks were toppy before, but a normal correction would never have dropped more than 5-10% in the MAGA economy.

I don't think we would have seen a 35% correction like we did in March.

Without the pandemic, maybe we would have seen a 25% drop from the peak of 3393 for the S&P 500 given how the economy has done since Trump's election.

I have to keep my records as a Public Official secret!

People can't know what I did when I was in Public Office in the Senate years ago! It might be subject to questioning!

Excellent! I love that EU countries have a low confidence in Trump. It means they're afraid he'll stand up to the unfair Trade Rules and their NATO underspending.

Tim Aurora says

Yeah, you want both ways. If popular "Yeah" and if not Yipee. Whatever Trump does is Gods word for Trump-turds

Huh? How do you figure this?

He's not popular in Europe as a whole, did I ever say otherwise? That has nothing to do with his US Popularity, and unlike Mexicans, Europeans generally don't vote in US Elections.

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Trump's approval rating now is at 49% and at its highest.

Obama was around 47% just before the 2012 election.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/495695-trump-hits-49-percent-approval-rate-in-gallup-poll

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NoCoupForYou says

Excellent! I love that EU countries have a low confidence in Trump. It means they're afraid he'll stand up to the unfair Trade Rules and their NATO underspending.

Trump is very popular in Nigeria and Kenya: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/africa/africa-trump-pew-poll-intl/index.html

While international confidence in Trump's handling of world affairs has flagged across Europe and most of the rest of the world, opinions of the US President remained mostly positive in two of Africa's most populous countries, the research finds.
Sixty-five percent of Kenyans and 58% of Nigerians believe Trump "will do the right thing regarding world affairs," it finds.

Since People of Color love trump, it means that NOT loving and NOT supporting him is RACIST!!!!

ThreeBays says

There's also a large decrease in accidental deaths because of the shutdown.

But there will be a huge uptick in preventable disease deaths, due to delayed screening and treatment thanks to Coronapanic keeping people from medical facilities.

Suicides

Tim Aurora says

How to calculate deaths casued by a pandemic during a pandemic. We can do this by looking at weekly deaths and comparing those with previous years. In the midst of a pandemic, it is safe to assume that any extraordinary spikes in deaths are caused by the pandemic

We are only at 90% of expected deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/Provisional-Death-Counts-COVID-19-Pneumonia-and-Influenza.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2Z93eoib_HNC1XDznHqZBZ4OFlNIVhL2ES31lRt5iRdtgUe93wvAXmmI4

Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number
across the same week in 2017–2019. Previous analyses of 2015–2016 provisional data completeness have found that
completeness is lower in the first few weeks following the date of death (<25%), and then increases over time such that data
are generally at least 75% complete within 8 weeks of when the death occurred.

The simplest way of tracking Covid-19 deaths, is to say all deaths are Covid-19 deaths.