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111860   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jun 11, 3:27pm  

AnyKey says
P.S. If you are over 50ish and a coder - jog your memory back to the dot.com crash. Your new gig will pay much less or you will be doing a different line of work.


I could do C# back then so i was worth more than those doing VB.NET.
111861   WookieMan   2020 Jun 11, 3:31pm  

Tim Aurora says
I do not think that these people were lying.

Okay, so you don't know. Thinking someone isn't lying and knowing are two different things. They could have been lying and likely were. No judge during jury duty is going to hold you in contempt of court if they "think" you lied about something. They'll just dismiss you. It's not a big deal for them. I'd say 50% of people make up lies to get out of jury duty. Maybe more. You have a lot of blind faith in the random public.
111862   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2020 Jun 11, 3:33pm  

Tim Aurora says
Yes, they target black men .


There is no evidence of that or proof. If some cops do do that, they get fired.

Tim Aurora says
I would not lie under oath and I do not think that these people were lying.


Possibly sure, but also possibly they were. I've seen people tell crazy fairytales in court under oath. Unfortunately oath means very little to many people if they don't think they'll be caught.

All I'm saying Tim is that it isn't accurate to always assume racism, and many people do. It's not critical thinking. Let's say those men believed they were discriminated, well they were very likely using same logic where they just assumed that white cop was targeting them (which is kind of racist).
111863   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jun 11, 3:43pm  

Industry is coming back and we're going to see America putting less emphasis on over hyping and over selling of tech.

There's going to be plenty of factories and machine shops, tech wont be the only game in town.

As for relevance, that's always been my motto "Stay Relevant My friends."

I'm the only technical person at the company I work for, down from seven doing different tasks from network to reporting, to ERP management.
I wrote all of the middleware systems. Guess they can't do without me. Or I would have been the first to go.
111864   richwicks   2020 Jun 11, 3:47pm  

WookieMan says
Patnet, this is why I keep coming back. The OP has not responded to anything and we're now on the topic of statins. Which will then result in Tim coming back and reprimanding for you not staying on topic in 5...4...3...2...1...


Don't you think free flow of thought is more interesting than a structured discussion? I certainly prefer that, and I just assumed most people preferred it. Only when I'm trying to solve a specific problem do I want it to remain entirely on topic.
111865   Patrick   2020 Jun 11, 3:48pm  

I bet perl programmers are highly paid just because they tend to be older and have more experience. Not really about the language itself.
111866   Patrick   2020 Jun 11, 3:51pm  

https://thefederalist.com/ is high quality, coherent, and seems pretty objective.

It's a much better source for actual news and analysis than the NY Times, which is nothing but Pravda for believers in The Narrative these days.
111867   Patrick   2020 Jun 11, 3:51pm  

socal2 says
The Federalist were one of the few sites that got the whole Russian Collusion B.S. correct early on.

Whereas the NYTimes got a Pulitzer (and plans on keeping it) for reporting all the Fake News claiming Trump was a Russian agent.


Exactly!
111868   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jun 11, 3:52pm  

If they could have replaced me with a know it all moron millennial that knows every damn thing, they would have a long time ago.
Bahleeb meh they tried and tried and tried, and I'm still here. Millennial are fucking idiots and just can't understand the systems I wrote.

They tried to go to Netsuite, and those idiots lied to them and said they could replicate the processes I made. They lied and left them hanging with the monthly bill, after a year and half of them just fucking around with the configuration and custom data lists. Now there's a lawsuit. LOL

Just had a meeting, they want me to actually write a proprietary system and they are ditching Box ERP and CRM's altogether.

Not sure if I want to, they ran off all of the capable brilliant people that I collaborated with to make their middleware systems, and I don't think I could never do it with a bunch of clueless Liberal Arts majors that insists on being in Technical meetings, then gets mad at me, when they don't understand the answer to the questions they ask me, and don't know how to ask the questions they want. They have no business being elevated to Post Turtles, and that's what they are.
111869   Patrick   2020 Jun 11, 3:54pm  

Tim Aurora says
Blogs and Facebook and Federalists should be banned from this site.


No sites are banned from patrick.net and I hope never to even consider doing such a thing.

No matter how amateur or vile one may think a site, it could well still be the source for important information not available elsewhere.
111870   richwicks   2020 Jun 11, 5:11pm  

In response to APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch

You plagiarized that entire article from the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/11/markets-today-fed-coronavirus/

I didn't know who would pay to get propaganda sent to them.
111872   richwicks   2020 Jun 11, 7:02pm  

HEYYOU says
Bet this is the first time anyone has failed to post a link to the source.

Donald Trump plagiarizes that he's a man constantly.


"Plagiarizes that he's a man"? I don't care if he's a cross dresser in suit. Nobody does.

Anyhow I'm not complaining about the lack of attribution.

I'm complaining about the source.

The Washington Post has relentlessly created propaganda. They are owned by Amazon, by Jeff Bezos. They pull this kind of crap:

www.youtube.com/embed/x6U2Un5kEdI

It's not a trustworthy source. They should be entirely ignored. APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch is quoting them, and not only that, pays for the privilege of being able to read them. I simply haven't met anybody anywhere that did that. They are clearly propaganda, why pay to have somebody lie to you?

HEYYOU says
Real plagiarization is RepCons that can't pay off their debt regardless of size & have to work for someone else & take orders from those more successful,declaring that they are business smart?


I do not know WTF a "RepCon" is - I'm just happy we have a president that lies to his underlings promising to start a new war, but never does. I'd be just as thrilled with Obama, if he didn't start any new wars - but he did.
111874   AD   2020 Jun 11, 7:18pm  

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Wilshire 5000 market capitalization versus GDP is 1.5. It reached its all time high of 1.6 back in early March 2020.

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111875   AD   2020 Jun 11, 7:28pm  

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However the S&P 500 P/E ratio is 21 based on trailing 12 months earnings. Granted earnings are in a significant downward trend over the last 4 months. Still at 21, valuation is at the border between bubble and over valuation, and is a lot better than when the P/E ratio was 45 around summer of 2001, and better than when it was at 25 in 1992.
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111876   Karloff   2020 Jun 11, 7:29pm  

Crazy Ralph was a bastion of sanity compared to the loonies wandering the streets and halls of academia these days.
111877   Blue   2020 Jun 11, 7:49pm  

Patrick says
I bet perl programmers are highly paid just because they tend to be older and have more experience. Not really about the language itself.

Or those are the projects in maintenance mode and not too many around to find.
111878   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jun 12, 5:30am  

AnyKey says
They can and you will when the best needs of the company or economy dictate. Leadership changes within a company often bring unexpected changes as well.

Do not make the mistake of over estimating your own worth/value to a company. Again - there is always someone out there better than we are at what we do - always.


Keep hoping I get unemployed comrade, maybe I'll get a raise, and the corner office.
111879   HeadSet   2020 Jun 12, 5:54am  

Sounds like y'all are "going postal" yourselves....
111880   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jun 12, 6:24am  

If AI is replacing all of these jobs, then why is it so important to import more Dot heads?
It's all LARP and damned Lies. AnyKey is controlled opposition, trying to convince everyone that the jobs, they are illegally giving to foreign interests while they intentionally seek to not employ American workers based on race alone, don't exist.
Sorry Charlie! (Charlie Classic American code word for Commie)


https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/06/12/wsj-business-fighting-trumps-visa-reform-want-carve-out-loopholes/
111881   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jun 12, 8:14am  

AnyKey says
Do something stupid in public that gets your name in the news along with being linked to be an employee at a company that does not desire unwanted negative attention and the odds of being let go increase exponentially.


Then you go straight to the DOX diving board. You're just a wokster you're not fooling anyone.
111882   SoTex   2020 Jun 12, 8:38am  

AnyKey says
I'd like to see how many coders on this forum are still programming in 10 years as well - A.I. will do those jobs much cheaper


First, our troll is back.

Second, if I had a dime for every time I've heard someone say this. I've head it since the 90s in one form or another and somehow nowadays I'm writing A.I. code. It's clear that this shit isn't replacing any human coder for decades.

The article is like a born blind person trying to describe a rainbow.
111883   SoTex   2020 Jun 12, 8:38am  

AnyKey says
I'd like to see how many coders on this forum are still programming in 10 years as well - A.I. will do those jobs much cheaper


First, our troll is back.

Second, if I had a dime for every time I've heard someone say this. I've head it since the 90s in one form or another and somehow nowadays I'm writing A.I. code. It's clear that this shit isn't replacing any human coder for decades.

The article is like a born blind person trying to describe a rainbow.
111884   SoTex   2020 Jun 12, 8:38am  

AnyKey says
I'd like to see how many coders on this forum are still programming in 10 years as well - A.I. will do those jobs much cheaper


First, our troll is back.

Second, if I had a dime for every time I've heard someone say this. I've head it since the 90s in one form or another and somehow nowadays I'm writing A.I. code. It's clear that this shit isn't replacing any human coder for decades.

The article is like a born blind person trying to describe a rainbow.
111885   WookieMan   2020 Jun 12, 10:57am  

Careful what you watch. The terms are eviction and foreclosure. Not "suing" people. If you don't use basic terminology when discussing a topic, like super basic, you probably have no business talking about it.

Is commercial real estate in trouble. Probably a bit. I'd worry more about the office sector. Storefront retail and restaurants will probably just be fine. Savvy business owners will swoop in and pick up spaces at low rates in established areas where they know there's demand and the previous owner managed debt poorly.

As of today, very few people have less money than they did prior to COVID. If anything it's more money because they've been spending less going out, etc.
111886   marcus   2020 Jun 12, 12:01pm  

When you've been sued as much as Trump has, you know how to cover your ass. Especially when you are intentionally putting people in harms way.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
Does it get much more obscene?


I guess, yeah, if Covid-19 wasn't a hoax it would look pretty bad. But those brilliant insightful Trump cultists get it. This hoax is basically a front for hospitals and doctors that are euthanizing homeless people.
111887   mell   2020 Jun 12, 2:58pm  

That's exactly what every corporation, hospital, business should do. It's sad that shit like this is necessary instead of relying on people knowing that they are making choices every day that contain obvious risks, the risk here is actually out in the open and well defined so waivers are just to stop ambulance chasers and assholes who go to contract CV-19 so they can try and sue for millions after the fact for catching a cold/flu virus. Actually his campaign did everything right in this regard. Don't go out and mingle if you're afraid. Should be common sense but unfortunately leftoid "regulations" and TDS make waivers necessary.
111888   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jun 14, 9:39am  

What are you taking about? God you are starting to project as much as Marcus does....
111889   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2020 Jun 14, 9:45am  

Black crime stats from Wiki:

Homicide
According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and “Other” 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher.

Assault
The CDC keeps data on non-fatal injury emergency department visits and the race of victims.[70] While non-Hispanic white victims account for approximately half of total non-fatal assault injuries, most of which did not involve any weapon, black and Hispanic victims account for the vast majority of non-fatal firearm injuries.

Youth crime
The “National Youth Gang Survey Analysis” (2011) state that of gang members, 46% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are black, 11.5% are white, and 7% are other races/ethnicities.[73]

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery.

Robbery
According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

A black WSJ commentator on the Sunday talk shows cited stats regarding the disproportionate percentage of 911 calls emanating from the black community.

So the police have more frequent interactions with black Americans, who commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes. It is not unlikely that the frequency of negative interactions with the police is directly related to the frequency of total interactions with the police.
111890   mell   2020 Jun 14, 9:49am  

Tim seriously nobody on this board approved of Chauvin's actions although the neck hold is still emloyed by many PDs and probably should only be used - if at all - in 1-1 situations. What people are rightfully pointing out is that by most people's definitions Floyd was a thug, considering his rap sheet. He may have been on the way of rehabilitation and certainly didn't deserve to die but he wasn't a good man and to make him a martyr is flat out insane. Even most black people I know do not want him to represent them. The point is that the riots are pointless and race baiting, inciting hate and violence while having nothing to do with Floyd's death. Chauvin is an asshole but there's zero evidence he is a racist. You support burning down cities and hoods, stores, looting, asaulting truck drivers and looting trucks and trains over this? Please. It will be too late to change your mind when they come for you.
111891   RWSGFY   2020 Jun 14, 9:59am  

Tim Aurora says
Again you are fixated on one event. That was what broke the camels back and you are blaming just the last straw


It's always the same "event", just with different name attached: some thug decides to fight it out with the police during ligitimate stop/arrest and wins a stupid prize. It's a fucking deja vu.


And no, it didn't break the camel's back, because the stupid still think it's a good idea to fight with police instead of behaving like a normal citizen during encounters with the law enforcement.
111892   mell   2020 Jun 14, 10:04am  

Tim Aurora says
Again you are fixated on one event. That was what broke the camels back and you are blaming just the last straw

mell says
Tim seriously nobody on this board approved of Chauvin's actions although t


There have been problems with police brutality but those are not racially motivated or biased. There's no evidence to support that. I'm totally for continued police reform and education but I'm not willing to pick up the race bait. Here in the bay area many cops are black or Asian, and they would tell you the same thing, that it's not an issue of racism.
111893   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jun 14, 10:38am  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
What are you taking about? God you are starting to project as much as Marcus does....


It's all they've got, the Truth blinds them like Cockroaches in the light.
111894   Onvacation   2020 Jun 14, 11:08am  

Tim Aurora says
Again you are fixated on one event

Another event, in a long string of black thugs finally meeting their end, that have been used to proclaim the racism of white cops. Unfortunately it takes a thug to stop a thug. Live a thug life, die a thug death.

The common thread among all of these events is that a criminal suspect did not cooperate with police.
111895   rocketjoe79   2020 Jun 14, 11:41am  

You said: "Trumpsters are not ready to listen to this country."
I respectfully disagree.
What if "Trumpsters," as you call us, don't really love Trump, as much as we simply despised Hilary Clinton. And maybe in the upcoming election, we don't believe Biden can lead this country out of crisis from the safety of his bunker. But Trump is the bully we elected to make things better. And by my observations (and almost every economic indicator before COVID), he has done a damn good job for three+ years. I'm willing to give him a shot at 4 more.

Biden? He can't remember who his wife is, much less be trusted to lead the country. His record proves his worthlessness. Has-been do-nothings don't get to be president.

Good day, Sir!
111896   marcus   2020 Jun 14, 11:46am  

rocketjoe79 says
Has-been do-nothings don't get to be president.


Only reality TV star, con artist, bankruptcy artists with severe narcissistic personality disorder who will be ready to make all the reality based people cringe on a daily basis deserve to be President.
111897   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2020 Jun 14, 11:54am  

Tim Aurora says
1. Blacks are crime infested and need to be treated with brutality.
2. Left and China are mentioned in the same sentence to link them together. Never-mind that their is little in common and both left and Hong Kong are protesting against a brutal and insensitive government.
3. Conspiracy theories are rehashed
4. Focus on the fringe rioters and not the protesters
5. Claim that George Floyd deserved to be treated brutally due to his size etc


Never heard any of those. You people must live in alternate reality again where you think people who disagree with you think this way. Explains all the homos running around with rainbow flags thinking they live in rainbowlandia or something.

There are real arguments (from real world, not sure if it matters or you just want bullshit CNN once only):
1) Number of whites murdered is higher, number of blacks murdered is low compared to crimes committed. This is proof that police is not racist and out to get black people.
2) George Floyd wasn't an innocent little lamb, however he did not deserve to die.
3) BLM organization doesn't care about black lives, because they only politicize the one they can politically benefit from, since most lives are destroyed by liberal policies or in black on black crime (which there is 0 talk about).
4) BLM organization sends money to actblue -> which is a Democratic party fundraising platform. So you know where the money is going, probably Joe Biden, not to people they pretend to care about.
5) Rioting and looting wasn't ok
6) People are fed up with double standards. If you go protest lock downs, MSM calls you all sorts of bad names. If you go protest for BLM, MSM calls you John Adams. If you go outside for whatever reasons = you killing grandma, if you go outside to protest with BLM = you are John Adams.

Yeah, this is reality, people do see the bullshit double standards by the left, and how this whole BLM thing is nothing more than a very well organized media campaign by Democrats to collect money, collect votes, and try to disrupt election, while playing on emotions and history of the Black Americans. They do this every election year, after which they forget everything and go back to robbing and taxing the same Americans they pretend to care for just a few month prior to election.
111898   Booger   2020 Jun 14, 12:09pm  

jazz_music says
Nice to see a presidential man in action.


111899   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jun 14, 12:10pm  

"All this racial Bullshit? You're Welcome, I built that"

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