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Far-right?!!! Is that a fucking joke.... what a tired distraction by the left, seriously, SOOOO tiring.

Yes, you are correct, all those KKK and nasiz guys are destroying america. I remember when they were sniping police during Obama or creating autonomous zones and killing police during Trump. Wait a second, stupid me, that was the FAR LEFT scum.

Dude you are hopeless, you're obviously gas lighting or retarded.

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Ceffer 2020 Jul 12, 12:02pm

In 1980's, again, around the AIDS panic, they ran experiments with dyed aerosols in re-enacted medical environments and had medical personnel go about their business under maximum protective apparatus i.e. masks, gloves gowns, disinfecting protocols. In short, the dyes wound up all over the place aka fomites on touched surfaces, people wound up touching their noses and faces over and over, and no amount of prevention, no matter how onerous, prevented the aerosol dyes from winding up all over the place on surfaces and people. Also, hospitals are the places where the maximum amount of proscriptive masking, gowning and gloving take place, yet they remain the single most dangerous place as a niduses of pathogens of all kinds, including viruses.

Assuming you have Covid and you wear a mask, if you sneeze once, you have turned your mask into a fomite, fiddling with it will automatically result in transfer, anything you touch will now have virus, and points of commonality in touching will become contaminated. Watch people in public. They fiddle with their masks, they touch their faces, they get uncomfortable and expose their noses, they throw their masks away in public places etc. etc. creating an undefeatable chain of fomites. If somebody sneezes in your vicinity with Covid and they are wearing a mask, a violent sneeze will not be stayed by a mask, anyway, and multiple sneezes just result int he sufferer removing the mask because sneezing causes oxygen deficiency, and the surfaces will get blasted nonetheless.

I see the absurdity at Kaiser. Stand in social distancing line, girl watches you disinfect hands, makes sure your mask is on. You go into pharmacy for something, standing away from other patrons. You fumble and fiddle with mask at some point, and you see others fumbling and fiddling with masks. Show card (covered with hypothetical virus) to attendant. Pay with credit card at Point of Service machine. Credit card is contaminated from fiddling, then, of course, credit card machine is loaded with multiple contaminants from multiple clients. You punch credit card and then return credit card fomite to wallet after touching it many times.

Masks are doing nothing to control spreads and fomites. The viruses and humans have co-evolved, and the viruses spread through our regular vital activities which cannot be stopped under any circumstances, no matter how extreme the curtailments.

So, what's left? Masks are placebos for the health superstitious, who seem stuck on the idea that they are controlling aerosols.

The respiratory virus is not defeated by behavior, it is spread by behavior that cannot be cancelled. It is defeated through attenuation ( evolving to less infectious and lethal forms) and immune systems chewing them up, and the group immunity adapting. This requires exposure, not social distancing and masks. Sad, but true, there is no other way to the other side, and casualties are part of the inevitable natural cycle. You might take measures to try to isolate the most vulnerable for a while. However, stuffing them into homes and hospitals will likely be the best way to expose them. As they seem to be demonstrating in their field experiments, the so-called savior respirators are actually euthanasia machines.

Fear of plague does everything the psychopathic political control element wants: strikes terror, pits people against one another, prevent gathering, and allows the government to impose series of proscriptive and punitive actions on the populace with the terrorized populace' own complicity. The fear of pandemic is a political tool that allows implementation of social control elements that the populace would otherwise bridle at. It is the perfect political duck blind and social control device.

112494 mell 2020 Jul 12, 12:07pm

Ceffer says

In 1980's, again, around the AIDS panic, they ran experiments with dyed aerosols in re-enacted medical environments and had medical personnel go about their business under maximum protective apparatus i.e. masks, gloves gowns, disinfecting protocols. In short, the dyes wound up all over the place aka fomites on touched surfaces, people wound up touching their noses and faces over and over, and no amount of prevention, no matter how onerous, prevented the aerosol dyes from winding up all over the place on surfaces and people. Also, hospitals are the places where the maximum amount of proscriptive masking, gowning and gloving take place, yet they remain the single most dangerous place as a niduses of pathogens of all kinds, including viruses.

Assuming you have Covid and you wear a mask, if you sneeze once, you have turned your mask into a fomite, fiddling with it will automatically result in transfer, anything you touch will now have virus, and points of commonality in touching ...

Exactly - well said. Masks likely increase the spreads rather than reducing it. Unless you're a 100% trained health worker your handling of mask and surfaces will make things worse - that's why MDs and nurses wear full body suits (if the hospital can afford it) that go into a decontamination chamber after usage

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SoTex 2020 Jul 12, 12:08pm

Great points...

112496 mell 2020 Jul 12, 12:09pm

You're likely safer by not wearing a mask but practicing good hygiene, washing your hand frequently and after touching surfaces and never touching your face (which you have to do if you want to wear a mask). Nurses know how to use medical equipment safely and the surgical masks and clothes are mainly there to not infect already wounded/immunocompromised patients with any of the billion bacterias of your body that could turn pathogenic in the right environment.

112497 mell 2020 Jul 12, 12:14pm

WookieMan says

mell says
Possible but unlikely and not responsible for the large rise. It's all the youngsters partying since they can't work or go to school. What do you expect from them they got nothing else to do.

The problem is new cases include those that tested positive for antibodies I thought? Those could be from Feb through June and are no longer able to spread the virus. So it doesn't matter.

Also, every time I go to a grocery store I'd say 85% of the customers are 65 and older. Maybe a touch hyperbolic, but not that far off from my experience. AARP and any other senior organization needs to be doing the hard sell that the oldies need to stay home. Have friends or family get your groceries.

You shouldn't be leaving the house. You are the ones overwhelming the 1 or 2 hospitals in the country the media likes to report. Stay home. Nah, they'll just wander around a grocery store in the...

lol maybe they're lonely though. As long as they aren't mask nazis.. but yeah if you're old you need to stay at home if you want to be safe, but that's true for most flus and moderate to severe respiratory infectious illnesses.

112498 mell 2020 Jul 12, 12:19pm

just_adhom_preaching says

Tenpoundbass says
Somebody's Niece

Sister... 4 years younger.

Yeah man, only a month ago she was complaining about the hospital being empty. Only a few cases upstairs and that was scaring off the junkies and hypos that normally take up space in an emergency room. So she was bored and actually not working that many days.

The past 10 days or so she said they place has been mobbed/overwhelmed and they are all working overtime. Getting nice bonuses too.

Apparently they've had deaths at all ages too. I wouldn't have believe it if not for it coming from my sister.

I think they're doing great work and don't want to get into a position to contradict their experiences at the hospital, but you cannot translate those "environmental settings" into the outdoors or family settings and especially not with ordinary people who have no idea how to use masks, sanitizer and medical equipment, and what a virus is that could spread via droplets or aerosols which would render surgical masks ineffective if the latter. In a hospital setting masks make 100% sense.

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Tenpoundbass 2020 Jul 12, 12:35pm

https://www.westernjournal.com/police-seek-leftists-attacked-cerebral-palsy-victim-58/?utm_source=push&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_content=2020-07-07&utm_campaign=pushtraffic

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Tenpoundbass 2020 Jul 12, 12:37pm

Salon, LOL are they still but hurt that they were the first subscription based model but never made a dime?

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Onvacation 2020 Jul 12, 12:47pm

jazz_music says

Sarah Huckabee Sanders

Really?

I suppose you believe Trump colluded with the Russians and extorted the Ukrainians too?

112502 clambo 2020 Jul 12, 12:49pm

“Brevity is the soul of wit.”

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Onvacation 2020 Jul 12, 12:51pm

jazz_music says

www.youtube.com/embed/vs8Ybs5lQLo

LOL "I don't wear a mask for the same reason I don't wear underwear. Things need to breathe."

Clown world indeed.

112504 goofus 2020 Jul 12, 12:53pm

This is b.s. (1) Muslims are counted as "white" in mass shootings. (2) Any (actual) white shooter is a priori "supremacist," according to the SPLC and ADL. (3) Muslims make up 1% of the population and whites 63%.

Per capita, Muslims were vastly over-represented as mass killers until Trump took power. Then ISIS was destroyed (and its Saudi and Qatari funding sources removed -- thanks to Prince Salman) and voila, no more domestic Islamic terrorism.

Let's look at ten years of mass shooting data from 2006 to 2016 (noting that gang-related killings, even if they kill multiple people in a go, are NOT included in "mass shootings" statistics. Convenient, eh?)

In the last ten years, there have been 16 mass shootings/bombings by non-whites, primarily immigrants and/or muslims — most of which targeted whites. There were 9 mass shooting by whites, only two of which were racially motivated. Contrary to the current narrative, whites are significantly overrepresented as victims and underrepresented as perpetrators.

Non-white perpetrators of mass shootings since 2006:

(1) Roseburg OR — Biracial black-identified man [targeting white Christians, specifically asking their religion before killing]
(2) Fort Hood TX (2009) — Palestinian Muslim
(3) Fort Hood TX (2014) — Hispanic man
(4) Santa Barbara CA — Biracial Malaysian-English man [targeting white college women, angry over rejection]
(5) Virginia Tech VA — Korean immigrant
(6) Washington DC (naval yard) — Black man
(7) Binghamton NY — Vietnamese immigrant
(8) San Bernardino CA — Pakistani and Yemeni Muslim immigrants, Al Quaeda / ISIS affiliated
(9) Orlando FL — Afghan Muslim, ISIS affiliated
(10) Boston MA — Caucasus Muslim immigrants
(11) Chattanooga TN — Palestinian-Jordanian Muslim immigrant, ISIS affiliated
(12) Santa Monica CA — Lebanese Muslim(?) [first name John, so could be a Christian Arab]
(13) Brookfield WI — Jamaican immigrant
(14) Oakland CA — Korean immigrant
(15) Manchester CT — Black man [targeting white coworkers]
(16) Salt Lake UT — Bosnian Muslim immigrant

vs. white perpetrators:

(1) Aurora CO theatre
(2) Sandy Hook elementary
(3) Colorado Springs clinic
(4) Seal Beach CA salon
(5) Tucson AZ political rally
(6) DeKalb IL university
(7) Omaha NE mall
(8) Oak Creek WI sikh temple [targeting perceived muslims]
(9) Charleston SC church shooting [targeting blacks]

Source: http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

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Onvacation 2020 Jul 12, 12:53pm

jazz_music says

www.youtube.com/embed/fSnQYVzZvxc

Orjazz_music says

Onvacation says
I suppose you believe Trump colluded with the Russians and extorted the Ukrainians too?
Let's change the subject to supposing about you.

I thought you were ignoring me?

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Onvacation 2020 Jul 12, 12:56pm

Dholliday126 says

Dude you are hopeless, you're obviously gas lighting or retarded.

No. There is a well known syndrome where people irrationally hate Trump and call him a racist without any evidence.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2020 Jul 12, 1:06pm

Isn't Amanda Marcotte the one who wanted to railroad that Duke LaCrosse Team and supported the now-convicted murderer Stripper's rape accusations?

And she continued to insist on their guilt even after the corrupt Dem DA dropped the charges?

The woman accuser of Duke LaCrosse killed her boyfriend years later, btw, and was convicted.

So much for "Facts"

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