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Nomograph says

7. Trump era goes down in US history as one of the most unpredictable, bizarre, and most failed presidencies in modern history.

Doubtful. I think history will show that Trump was most representative of the middle class and quite successful in his accomplishments.
1) No wars.
2) Reform of NAFTA. New trade agreements. Not reflexively "free trade" as both parties had been for decades now (since Clinton on DEM party).
3) Removed US from the climate accords that were punishing to the US but conciliatory to China
4) First to push back against China for dumping and other trade issues (IP, etc..).
5) Saw the importance of pushing through judicial nominees at all levels.
6) Efficiency of pro-tump vote/$ spent.
7)Border security and attempt at immigration reform.

Where he failed was coming up with a good Obama care replacement.

Can't wait for the DEMs to destroy the supreme court,. DEMS now saying the supreme court is "too political" but it has always been so. Changing the court depending on who controls the senate and executive (one party) will further erode the myth that the SC is unbiased and a-poilitical.

No one wants to admit it, but many of Trump's policies were old school "left" aka FK, etc..

As to Russian interface - back to old school fear tactics "the russian's are coming!" Haha...

Looks like Iwog is back. Your not fooling anyone.

We needed some liberals posting here.

Nomograph, I’m saying that there is room for mischief and it’s not going to be against Biden voters in my county.

There of course will never be proof for mischief if it’s done well.

2020's equivalent of a hanging chad!

Nomograph says

However, the Muller investigation did conclusively prove attempted Russian influence in our election process. They do this largely by creating fake news articles and inflammatory memes on social media, which certain folks seem to lap up as the gospel truth.

• Yet nobody as pointed to specific memes or os social media activity and said: See, this gave Trump 250k votes.
• Muller investigation (or any other investigation) did not prove that the supposed Russian influence actually benefited Trump. Seriously, why would Russians want Trump elected? Bill and Hillary had already been paid off ("donntations" to Clinton Foundation; $500k "speaking fees") and, presumably, Russia has kept details on file just in case they need some extra blackmail persuasion.
• Hm.... it's somehow Trump's fault about something Russia did in 2015 or 2016? That sounds like Obama's fault.

You do realize, that if anything about last night's Somalian Operative Ballot Dump was on the up and up, they would have called Minnesota and Michigan last night?

There are a few red districts still not counted. If the fraud is allowed, and there will be no voting integrity. Im sure Trump can produce 3 million votes, since laws and rules don't apply. Nice of your butt hurt ass to come back around when you think Trump might lose. Nice fantasy, but it wont be that easy. Either we have rules and laws, or the Republicans have to be better at cheating. That's the lesson we learned in 2018. Now we wait and see just how much we have to cheat to beat the Commie Muslim Shit Finger Cheat.

Welcome to the new Democracy Dill Hole! It's as easy as Pie, just look away while we whip up some votes.

What? YOU Think Liberals in Blue States are the only Retards, that can't get their shit together to vote on time, and conduct an election in a timely manner?
You have seen a trailer park haven't you? We've got fuck ups, that can fuck Democrat's shit up Ten Ways to Sunday.
Enjoy the ride!

5. Trump refuses to aid in traditional transfer of power activities.

Maybe Trump should repay the "help" he received from the Obama administration.

Nomograph says

However, the Muller investigation did conclusively prove attempted Russian influence in our election process. They do this largely by creating fake news articles and inflammatory memes on social media, which certain folks seem to lap up as the gospel truth.

Just imagine if the Russians could corrupt all of our polling showing Trump 10+ points ahead like all the garbage push polls we saw all year!

Nomograph says

However, the Muller investigation did conclusively prove attempted Russian influence in our election process. They do this largely by creating fake news articles and inflammatory memes on social media, which certain folks seem to lap up as the gospel truth.

Yes they do, and guess what most of it is? It's all the leftist stuff about Equity and Diversity. BLM (self proclaimed) marxist organization. Guess whose side Russia is promoting this election? Anti police message is coming from propaganda. And who supports that message? Democrats.

Foreign propaganda works, it's all legal, it's perfectly legitimate unfortunately, because spamming propaganda to leftists who then take up the arms is not against the law.

I mean progressives. It's fun to mock their idiocracy.

Also the Barr and Durham report drops and all of the Democrat congress ends up in Jail, as does Biden and Hillary Clinger'on.

You do know Trump is a genius don't you?

Liberals didn't want any legal problems meddling with the election. They didn't say anything about meddling with their election steal.

The incumbents never lose election disputes. Never!

It's like possession is 9/10ths of the law. If the Demorats would have won, the election would have been called by 1:30am last night.

Every Democrat that asked me if we would accept the results agreed when I told them, that if Donald is blown out by 1:30am then I would accept it. But if the counts are delayed or they come up with late night 10's and 100's thousands of mystery ballots, that only went to Democrats, then absolutely not. They agreed with that sentiment.

I blame Trump for letting them get away with last election, and not making such a fucking loud stink about it, they would have been gun shy to pull all of the shit they pulled this election.

Fucking Democrats, they can't even win an election out right free and clear, like Obama did twice. They know they lost and the election is being taken over by Commie Muslim but fuckers, that wipe their shit asses with their fucking fingers.

Ask Gap Tooth Abrams how election disputes go.

LOL!

Nomograph says

Where he failed was providing strong leadership in the face of numerous challenges. Instead, he devolved into victim rants, divisive tweets, and conspiracy theories. He lost the confidence of both Wall Street and Main Street.

Disagree. He was stymied by the media which is all far left - true. But that also motivated his base, so it was a political calculation as well. He has never lost the confidence of either Wall Street or Main Street. He never had the media and the political elites from the beginning. Biden also had the money - so he essentially bought every vote with a high dollar value vs Trump. Hillary spent about 2:1 vs trump. This will be more like 2.5-3:1. And he had to fight polls basically telling his supporters to just give up. How much did that suppress the Trump vote? Probably enough for Biden to sneak in.

Trump is a fighter for sure.

Whatever, though. I think historians are going to look at accomplishments, and he did a lot whether you agree with him or not.

REP is picking up seats in house and likely will hold the Senate. How did Trump loose then? Only through the typical machinations of the left in changing the rules in Sep/Oct legislatively in the states they controlled. REPs did not do the same and are paying for that with a loss in AZ.

Nomograph says

I was a user here over a decade ago but I left because the site, in my opinion, lost its way. I'm only back for a special guest appearance :)

How did it lose it's way? Any link or fact to back up your opinion would be helpful. The site has changed, but as an old time user I'd be enlighten to know what you think. I think it's fine. Leans more right and I know that people's feelings get hurt by that, but I wouldn't consider that the site "losing its way" as you say. It's just different.

clambo says

My friend voted by mail.
His signature will be determined by a person in the County building to be his, or it’s thrown out.
WHO works in our County building?
Democrats exclusively, and Mexicans generally.
What could possibly go wrong?

That's not as bad a Pennsylvania, which passed a law where signatures don't matter at all:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-ballots-cant-be-thrown-out-for-mismatched-signatures-court-rules-in-blow-to-gop/?sh=69895fd44825

Nomograph says

Hmmm, I see an identical jump for Trump earlier in this same graph. Was Trump committing fraud so then Sleep Joe had to one-up him later?

Nope, look at the time - that was in person voting in rural/suburban counties just after work, and Trump was already leading. And it was a blow out in many of them, 15-20%

In the Early Morning, 138k absentee votes, almost all for Biden, was the EXACT NUMBER NECESSARY TO KILL TRUMP'S LEAD

And then, the same Exact Thing happens in Michigan.

There's a term for this by the way, it's called "Smashmouth".

Why Smashmouth? They want the other side to KNOW they committing fuckery and demoralize them - like getting smashed in the mouth. So they don't bother giving trouble the next time and just stay home and collect Buttcoin and bitch on von Mises' website

It's also evidence in my mind that Deep Staters who have previously run political black ops are working with the Dems at the highest levels.

This is why it is important to control the state legislatures. There is no national constitutional standard for "voting" - it is all up to the dictates of the state government as a power set aside to the states. So, can't change that. When one follows what has been happening legally in MI, WI, PA - the entire goal is to generate ballots that cannot be challenged (hence the removal of signature check, address check, postmark, etc...and so you simply "dump" some filled out ballots in a strong Biden county.) Easy peasy. And, the refusal to count mail in ballots until election day was simply to make sure they know how many ballots to "generate".

Too funny. Just remember the old "left" which was "liberal" no longer exists. We are talking about an authoritarian DEM party that wants to suppress free speech, second amendment rights, and ship jobs overseas to benefit the elites.

I'm following now https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html for MI which seems to be doing slower counting and is refreshing every 10 minutes. Will be interesting to see if they arrive at the same count as the MSM who already report 96% counted in MI. Trump has a 250k lead here currently.

Nomograph says

That's just my opinion.

Well, if this is IWOG, welcome back. I always enjoyed your posts and thoughts on the economy and real estate in particular!

krc says

Too funny. Just remember the old "left" which was "liberal" no longer exists. We are talking about an authoritarian DEM party that wants to suppress free speech, second amendment rights, and ship jobs overseas to benefit the elites.

Their model is the Chinese Communist Party.

Considering how Democrats rig their own primaries, why don't you think they would cheat in a general election as well?

Who is throwing a tantrum dude? We're pointing out inaccuracies and anomalies in certain places. Almost everyone here has said whatever if Biden wins. I'd expect the left to question things too and if they found something illegal then it needs to be fixed. I'd stop fixating on the candidates and look more at what happened.

What if there was voter fraud in PA and Trump ends up winning? Every one, including me as a Trump voter would be upset. We need accurate elections. ID required. It's an extremely low bar to clear. Money and travel are a poor excuse. Figure it out.

NoCoupForYou says

n the Early Morning, 138k absentee votes, almost all for Biden

not almost all, but all.

No tantrums here either. It is what it is. REP party just needs to make the same adjustments in states they control in the future.
But, clearly, the expected DEM wave did not happen. Biden "may" squeak through, but it is no "mandate". Hopefully with a close house, REP senate, there can be some compromise. We will see...
I still have hope that trump can carry since in the states he won he has actually carried more counties. Very odd about WI/MI. We will see about PA.

Nomograph says

In my opinion, this site lost it's way because it was allowed to devolve into an alt-right echo chamber and most of the folks who posted interesting content left.

That's just my opinion.

And that's just it. Every site on the planet is an echo chamber by default to some extent. I'd love to learn to sail. So I go to the echo chamber that is sailing channels and watch them every night.

Same thing with aviation. I don't go to Patnet for that.

This site is very much free flowing though. We've got threads on music, porn basically, real estate, finances and a ton of random strange topics. Maybe just avoid the political ones if you don't like it? Or don't make the non-political topics political. Covid comes to mind. If everyone was 100% honest on the left, they know they helped to politicize it in an attempt to bring down Trump. Looks like it may have worked. Some topics on this site are there to counteract that politicization though. Lying is bad and good people don't sit by and let it happen.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I've liked this site for a long time for its off topic/color posting and some good nuggets that have influenced me in a positive way. Ignore the negative and avoid diving in the mud. Some users like that I guess.

Nomograph says

WookieMan says

Who is throwing a tantrum dude?

Latching on to any and every conspiracy theory in order to prevent dealing with reality is an adult form of a tantrum, I reckon.

So questioning something that finished what, 16-18 hours ago is a conspiracy theory out the gate? I don't follow. By that logic, we should question nothing and just accept things, even if they look a bit peculiar on the surface immediately after it happens. That's a scary outlook on life.

Nomograph says

Latching on to any and every conspiracy theory in order to prevent dealing with reality is an adult form of a tantrum, I reckon.

I don't see any conspiracy theories. It is simply a set of rules by DEM state legislatures enacted in the last two months ensuring a Biden victory. I don't think that is a conspiracy - just a party that controls a state doing its job as enablers. Good for them .

The problem is the REP party did not do the same in the states they controlled - that is the real problem. Outside of Trump, the REP party as a whole is pretty weak.

As to trumping tits post:
Still haven't heard a rationale as of why https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html has a massive 250k share lead for Trump with far fewer votes than the MSM is reporting. it seems like some MI vote counts may have been "fat fingered "and have been retracted.

TrumpingTits says

mell says

As to trumping tits post:

Which post? I have been posting a lot of them just like you and the guy behind that tree. :)

The rumor of the (deliberate?) "fat finger". It would explain why the official secretary of state MI site has trump in a wide lead with far fewer votes counted.

krc says

Outside of Trump, the REP party as a whole is pretty weak

This is somewhat valid. Reality is the right has more Libertarian in their blood by a long shot than anyone of the left. We don't want government, so we're less interested in it. If you like government, you vote Democrat.

Problem is the government employs a fuck load of people. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot to vote right if they're employed by big government. Democrats are government that pays for its votes through employment and contracts. Right leaning folks just want to run a business and have government get the fuck out of the way and take more money home at the end of the day.

Both spend like drunken sailors of course. And both can be bought off.

why are you guys wasting your time arguing with nomograph?

komputodo says

why are you guys wasting your time arguing with nomograph?

Bored.

komputodo says

why are you guys wasting your time arguing with nomograph?

Because he is willing to argue.
Trolling is a two way street. It requires a willing recipient.

komputodo says

why are you guys wasting your time arguing with nomograph?

Agree with CCP. Although I don't think my comments come across as arguing. Nomo clearly wants Biden to win, which is fine. I wanted Trump. At the end of the day I don't really care and the single word bored sums it up pretty well by CCP. Better to dick around here instead of reading or watching MSM and that agenda. This will all get worked out and I think most here will deal and not burn shit down because of it.

Nomograph says

komputodo says

why are you guys wasting your time arguing with nomograph?

How is a discussion of real, verifiable evidence "trolling?"

Besides where else can we get an honest discussion like this without all PC bullshit? Only on patnet where it gets real.