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If a conservative sees a poor man, he sees him as lazy and inferior
If a liberal sees a poor man, he sees an opportunity to pimp a vote
If a righteous man sees a poor man, he lends him a helping hand to get back on his feet.

Clarence 13X says

This is a poverty issue, lets not focus only on the black community. Peace GOD.

In this world of generalizations, we'll just focus on African-Americans & Hispanics. They choose to live together in poor neighborhoods - not because they receive support from neighbors or were segregated to those areas, but because they make poor choices. (I hope you recognize the sarcasm)

I grew up with some very poor people - a close friend with ten kids in three bedrooms, a 950 square foot house. Our town had many weathy people, but many more poor people. Many of those kids are doing well financially, and still have the morals and ethics that they were raised with and help others. Others have remained in poverty. Doesn't matter what their nationality or color was, they were people.

I believe that it was the Connecticut Governor William O'Neil at a political rally who said, People don't want handouts. They want hand jobs. (followed by riotous applause) :)

Clarence 13X says

This is a poverty issue, lets not focus only on the black community. I am too old for this shit. Peace GOD.

I used to think we had poverty in this country, you want to see poverty, go to the out skirts of Lima Peru, sheer desperation on a grand scale. In inescapable poverty, and classes that are forged by birth. It makes most American inner city hoods look like Mansion gated communities.

I'll save my sympathy for those people. Hopeless poverty in this country, for anyone under 40 is a matter of them not applying them selves, I mean hard times aside, sometimes things are just tough for everyone. And education is less important to peoples sucess than people lead on to be.
I mean I don't want to get into a philosophical debate over the value of a college education, but it's not a requirement to succeed. Anyone in this country can be anything just short of being a Doctor or a Lawyer with a tenth grade education, a high school dropout. It's a matter of how driven you are, and inspired to be what you desire.

elliemae says

…and yet, I see no “shocking political differences to ‘wow’ about.” Just another polarizing thread, libs vs. conservatives with the libs being the bad guys.

Its funny when Patrick does it, but when the shoe is on the other foot....

THEROCK OBAMA angry!

2ndClassCitizen says

Its funny when Patrick does it, but when the shoe is on the other foot….

When the shoe is on the other foot, it's incredibly painful. Shocking, or pragmatic? For more footwear info: http://www.drscholls.com/drscholls/painrelief.jsp

Tenouncetrout says

Clarence 13X says

This is a poverty issue, lets not focus only on the black community. I am too old for this shit. Peace GOD.

I used to think we had poverty in this country, you want to see poverty, go to the out skirts of Lima Peru, sheer desperation on a grand scale. In inescapable poverty, and classes that are forged by birth. It makes most American inner city hoods look like Mansion gated communities.
I’ll save my sympathy for those people. Hopeless poverty in this country, for anyone under 40 is a matter of them not applying them selves, I mean hard times aside, sometimes things are just tough for everyone. And education is less important to peoples sucess than people lead on to be.
I mean I don’t want to get into a philosophical debate over the value of a college education, but it’s not a requirement to succeed. Anyone in this country can be anything just short of being a Doctor or a Lawyer with a tenth grade education, a high school dropout. It’s a matter of how driven you are, and inspired to be what you desire.

We have those same conditions right here in the United States, generally in areas where former industries have devastated the communities. The 11 of us lived on dirt floors in the South during WWII so this situation is not that unccommon. You saw many of those communities while the 2 canidates were on tour during 2008. However, I do get your point....drive is what matters most along with resiliency, commitment and education. You see 85% of the people are blind to the knowledge of themselves and God, while 10% of the people know the truth but teach a lie for their personal gain; seen as part of this 10% are preachers, senators, and government officials that teach that God is an incorporeal being (hence the term "mystery God") in order to keep them dumbfounded. The remaining 5% are the poor righteous teachers—those who do not subscribe to the teachings of the 10% and who hold the truths that you and I speak of...and for this reason, education is the primary tool that will free them of their mental enslavement. I think you call them "sheeple" but we, the poor righteous teachers call them 85% or cattle.

Peace GOD.

I'm a conservative.
Abortion is murder.
Murder is against the law and those that commit murder should be hung in the public square.
Rape is against the law and those that commit rape should be hung in the public square.
MAking a special law for or against murder (abortion) is stupid.
Making a special law for crimes committed against "protected classes" and calling those crimes "hate crimes" is stupid. If you murder a black sodomite you committed murder, and the penalty should be your life. There is no reason for a stronger sentence for killing a policeman, teacher, sodomite, or person of color. All life is precious and the murder of a innocent person should result in the hanging of the guilty person.

Liberals have trouble knowing what the differences are between murder and killing, conservatives do not have any trouble knowing the differences. Moral values are not commonly found in Libs, because they do not look to The Bible for a moral compass, and they disregard the template of society man has been given by God. .... even though America was set upon that very template.

Ok, flame away ... it's been awhile. lol

@ellie,
be gentle. lol

Bap33 says

I’m a conservative.
Abortion is murder.
Murder is against the law and those that commit murder should be hung in the public square.
Rape is against the law and those that commit rape should be hung in the public square.
MAking a special law for or against murder (abortion) is stupid.
Making a special law for crimes committed against “protected classes” and calling those crimes “hate crimes” is stupid. If you murder a black sodomite you committed murder, and the penalty should be your life. There is no reason for a stronger sentence for killing a policeman, teacher, sodomite, or person of color. All life is precious and the murder of a innocent person should result in the hanging of the guilty person.
Liberals have trouble knowing what the differences are between murder and killing, conservatives do not have any trouble knowing the differences. Moral values are not commonly found in Libs, because they do not look to The Bible for a moral compass, and they disregard the template of society man has been given by God. …. even though America was set upon that very template.
Ok, flame away … it’s been awhile. lol
@ellie,
be gentle. lol

I support the foundations of your statement, which I take to be righteousness should be upheld with no disregard for the weak.I am conservative as well and I condone none of this behavior you speak of as it is not within the truth of Gods will. Is that the mythical mystery god you are referring to? The one who sat by and watched my people hang in the apple orchards while onlookers commented on the strange fruit hanging from the branches? Is this the God I was waiting to return for my salvation?...Should a rape victim wait or abort?

Liberals prefer not to wait for a mystery gods return, while conservative believe the only way to heaven is through Christ. ( which infers muslim, hindu babies will be turned away simply because they were birthed in the wrong culture )

Peace ALLAH

I'm reading "Mein Kampf" at the suggestion of a reader, and must say it has some good insight into how to control the masses. One insight is that you have to lump all your enemies together into ONE enemy because the masses just don't have the patience to deal with details like multiple enemies or shades of grey. So Hitler had to conflate Jews and Communists into one enemy, for example, even though there really wasn't all that much overlap.

The same strategy is being used now, it seems, where "liberals" or "conservatives" get blamed for everything, while the corporations running the government happily skip off with our money.

I like the strategy actually, only we need to keep it focused on the corporations ripping us off through the government, not this liberal vs conservative distraction.

What's missing is an identity, like liberal or conservative. People like having and hating identities. What's the identity of the person who hates seeing the banks run our government? A Bull Moose?

Yes, Teddy Roosevelt

Clarence 13X says

Liberals prefer not to wait for a mystery gods return, while conservative believe the only way to heaven is through Christ. ( which infers muslim, hindu babies will be turned away simply because they were birthed in the wrong culture )

ummmm, no, what you are born, and to whom you are born, matters not with regard to following Christ ... unless you happen to be born in a place that is politically controlled by those that believe the fairy-tales of mohamad (the famous baby raper), or in a fine place like China .... you know, someplace like Persia that kills Christians ... despite the inability of anyone to prove a person is a Christian on site ... but, for some odd reason the followers of mohamad's fabels don't really care about the details. The lies and hate built upon mohamad's fabels will leave a scar on the world ... just like mohamad was dreaming and writing about while blasted out on drugs.

here's a thought, look at how the media is sooo afraid of publishing a cartoon of that loon mohamad, but demands the right to publish anything that puts Christ and Christians in a bad light. Seems kinda double-standard-ish don't it? I guess those horrible Christians that don't react by cutting off the heads of journalists need to re-think their approach, since nothing a islamuslim does "in the name of their religion" is ever questioned ... right?

If a liberal doesn't like marijuana, he doesn't use it. If a conservative doesn't like marijuana, he wants laws banning it, even if that means people who need it for medical purposes can't get it.

Clarence 13X says

Bap33 says

I’m a conservative.

Abortion is murder.

Murder is against the law and those that commit murder should be hung in the public square.

Rape is against the law and those that commit rape should be hung in the public square.

MAking a special law for or against murder (abortion) is stupid.

Making a special law for crimes committed against “protected classes” and calling those crimes “hate crimes” is stupid. If you murder a black sodomite you committed murder, and the penalty should be your life. There is no reason for a stronger sentence for killing a policeman, teacher, sodomite, or person of color. All life is precious and the murder of a innocent person should result in the hanging of the guilty person.

Liberals have trouble knowing what the differences are between murder and killing, conservatives do not have any trouble knowing the differences. Moral values are not commonly found in Libs, because they do not look to The Bible for a moral compass, and they disregard the template of society man has been given by God. …. even though America was set upon that very template.

Ok, flame away … it’s been awhile. lol

@ellie,

be gentle. lol

I support the foundations of your statement, which I take to be righteousness should be upheld with no disregard for the weak.I am conservative as well and I condone none of this behavior you speak of as it is not within the truth of Gods will. Is that the mythical mystery god you are referring to? The one who sat by and watched my people hang in the apple orchards while onlookers commented on the strange fruit hanging from the branches? Is this the God I was waiting to return for my salvation?…Should a rape victim wait or abort?
Liberals prefer not to wait for a mystery gods return, while conservative believe the only way to heaven is through Christ. ( which infers muslim, hindu babies will be turned away simply because they were birthed in the wrong culture )
Peace ALLAH

This is certainly off the topic. But lest Clarence be too full of himself and his own knowledge of spirituality: I'd like to remind him that the Bible doesn't say anyone will be "turned away simply because they were born in the wrong culture" or vice versa. What it does say is that your sins have separated you from God. The wages of sin is death. Regardless of culture.

But you did get one thing right. There is only one Savior. Find Him and even you can be forgiven.

Praise Yahweh!

Bap33 says

@ellie,
be gentle. lol

yawn.

you need a new battle cry. This one is old.

SecondClass

This is certainly off the topic. But lest Clarence be too full of himself and his own knowledge of spirituality: I’d like to remind him that the Bible doesn’t say anyone will be “turned away simply because they were born in the wrong culture” or vise versa. What it does say is that your sins have separated you from God. The wages of sin is death. Regardless of culture.

But you did get one thing right. There is only one Savior. Find Him and even you can be forgiven.

Praise Yahweh!

Many members of the body of Christ proclaim "the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ" and many muslims believe the same. This stupidity began during the crusades of the middle ages and well before. If you believe there is only one savior then you preach the same stupidity as many others, because the GOD that I believe in will not turn away a child simply because he was born to the wrong religion, culture or social status.

Praise be Allah

dang ..... tuff crowd

Clarence 13X says

Many members of the body of Christ proclaim “the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ” and many muslims believe the same.

100% wrong.

You young kids really have a lot to learn about extremist behaviors of the world and how religion has been used to divide and conquer many nations. God will never turn away anyone based on their religion, it will be your actions that count the most.

Talk to me in 30 years, at which point hopefully you have realized that people of all cultures share the same issues.

Clarence, I'm glad you have it all figured out. God must be very pleased with you. I'm sure you can't wait to meet Him either. That will be a sight to behold no doubt. It is said that life is short and that meeting will be here before you know it. Now that is a wonderful thought. Peace be to you!

2ndClassCitizen says

Clarence, I’m glad you have it all figured out. God must be very pleased with you. I’m sure you can’t wait to meet Him either. That will be a sight to behold no doubt. It is said that life is short and that meeting will be here before you know it. Now that is a wonderful thought. Peace be to you!

It is not figured out without logic and mathematics...I like to refer to the term "What would Jesus Do?" when I find myself in challenging situations that require a moral decision. I thought that was a witty slogan that could help us all understand how situational these issues really are.

Try not to patronize me with Islamic slogans, phrases and rhetoric. I am also member of a Masonic lodge...will you start citing allegory from our sacred texts next?

LOL

Clarence it is nice to have you here in all your wisdom. I simply wish you all the best.

I am too old for this shit...no more patronizing comments. Your opinions count, and are just as strong...I did not mean to come off as a elitist pig. sorry...I was only clarifying not trying to bring wisdom or prune juice to the party.

I’m reading “Mein Kampf” at the suggestion of a reader, and must say it has some good insight into how to control the masses. One insight is that you have to lump all your enemies together into ONE enemy because the masses just don’t have the patience to deal with details like multiple enemies or shades of grey.
The same strategy is being used now, it seems, where “liberals” or “conservatives” get blamed for everything, while the corporations running the government happily skip off with our money.

Very wise observation Patrick.

Clarence 13X says

Many members of the body of Christ proclaim “the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ” and many muslims believe the same. This stupidity began during the crusades of the middle ages and well before. If you believe there is only one savior then you preach the same stupidity as many others, because the GOD that I believe in will not turn away a child simply because he was born to the wrong religion, culture or social status.

I never thought a religious person could have such truthful thoughts ABOUT religion, especially their own. I feel like I've found a lephrechaun. Or are they less rare than the honestly reflective religious person. Are you the rare black swan of a person that Nassim Talen writes about?

Though, your story is one that is difficult to believe. Not only the content but even the simple numbers. You are saying that you have grandparents that were born as slaves in 1838?...that an offspring of this couple (I am assuming this must be a man) at some point 100 years later was producing children to get to 11 kids during WWII, all living in a small shack...one of which was you? Fascinating story, if true.

OK, yoda, I'm intrigued. You claim to have a life's secret, which you gained through your many years of experience.

Care to share?

So Hitler had to conflate Jews and Communists into one enemy, for example, even though there really wasn’t all that much overlap.

It was an easy leap for him. He pointed out that Marx and Lenin had Jewish ancestry and called communism a "Jewish plot".

The same strategy is being used now, it seems, where “liberals” or “conservatives” get blamed for everything, while the corporations running the government happily skip off with our money.

Sure, liberal/conservative have devolved into pejorative terms with loose meaning. I considered Bush a liberal; at least when it came to spending. But, this forum itself contributes to the divide-and-conquer strategy of the corporations you're railing against. I went to see President Obama in Portsmouth, NH for his health care kick-off tour this summer. My friend and I were surprised by the rally atmosphere and wondered about the timing. We came to the conclusion that health care was being brought up to re-divide the population. For a brief moment this past winter/spring liberal, conservative, independent were united in disgust at corporatism. So what to do? Easy. Bring up a polarizing issue and a diversion is created, the conversation is changed, "while the corporations running the government happily skip off with our money."

Is this the my God can beat up your God thread or what?

Or is God the ultimate politician?

There's no lack of parties that for sure.

Praise Bacon!

Bap33 says

Clarence 13X says

Liberals prefer not to wait for a mystery gods return, while conservative believe the only way to heaven is through Christ. ( which infers muslim, hindu babies will be turned away simply because they were birthed in the wrong culture )

ummmm, no, what you are born, and to whom you are born, matters not with regard to following Christ … unless you happen to be born in a place that is politically controlled by those that believe the fairy-tales of mohamad (the famous baby raper), or in a fine place like China …. you know, someplace like Persia that kills Christians … despite the inability of anyone to prove a person is a Christian on site … but, for some odd reason the followers of mohamad’s fabels don’t really care about the details. The lies and hate built upon mohamad’s fabels will leave a scar on the world … just like mohamad was dreaming and writing about while blasted out on drugs.
here’s a thought, look at how the media is sooo afraid of publishing a cartoon of that loon mohamad, but demands the right to publish anything that puts Christ and Christians in a bad light. Seems kinda double-standard-ish don’t it? I guess those horrible Christians that don’t react by cutting off the heads of journalists need to re-think their approach, since nothing a islamuslim does “in the name of their religion” is ever questioned … right?

I just happen to worship that loon. Allah be willing, we will all find a way to not engage each other in a game of us versus them. These incidents you speak of have been ongoing since the middle ages and from I see wont be ending anytime soon. God, my point still stands and yes Jihadist succumb to the stupidity of believing in God, Allah, Jehova, Jesus with a blind faith. I do not believe that a mystery god will save me because not 100 years ago my family hung by the trees in the apple orchards while onlookers attempted to figure out what the strange fruit was that was hanging from the trees. Religion is man made, spirituality is from within. Believe whole heartedly and try not to denounce others that are spiritual....but please do continue to denounce stupidity in the form of extremists.

Please keep an open mind, as Christianity is filled with as many fables of a mystery god as Islam or any other religion. My statements were not meant to say that Islam or any other religion did not have weaknesses....they all do. It just depends on the person you were before you chose your avenue of worship.

Peace GOD.

Clarence 13X says

I just happen to worship that loon.

mohamad was just a man, worshiping him is a sin. Praying to a dead person is a sin. We don't worship/pray to Moses or Abraham or anyone other than God ..... ever. Those that look to Virgin Mary have failed to educate themselves on the Word of God, also.

Clarence 13X says

I do not believe that a mystery god will save me because not 100 years ago my family hung by the trees in the apple orchards while onlookers attempted to figure out what the strange fruit was that was hanging from the trees.

Believers in Christ shall be saved spirtually and our souls return to be in God's presence forever, or we are not written in the Book of Life and spend forever apart from God. God is no mystery, his existance abounds in every direction.

Clarence 13X says

Religion is man made, spirituality is from within

On this we agree 100%. It is man that fails, not God. And I agree, what God wants is a relationship and to be woshiped and honored. Man fails every time. The only way through the gate is narrow and Jesus holds the keys.

Clarence 13X says

Christianity is filled with as many fables of a mystery god

On this I disagree 100%. Christianity's weakness is man. The Holly Bible has mysteries that have been unwrapped over time and in the end days the wrapping comes off faster, but even then we do not get to know everything until we get back home.

Bap33 says

Clarence 13X says

I just happen to worship that loon.

mohamad was just a man, worshiping him is a sin. Praying to a dead person is a sin. We don’t worship/pray to Moses or Abraham or anyone other than God ….. ever. Those that look to Virgin Mary have failed to educate themselves on the Word of God, also.
Clarence 13X says

I do not believe that a mystery god will save me because not 100 years ago my family hung by the trees in the apple orchards while onlookers attempted to figure out what the strange fruit was that was hanging from the trees.

Believers in Christ shall be saved spirtually and our souls return to be in God’s presence forever, or we are not written in the Book of Life and spend forever apart from God. God is no mystery, his existance abounds in every direction.
Clarence 13X says

Religion is man made, spirituality is from within

On this we agree 100%. It is man that fails, not God. And I agree, what God wants is a relationship and to be woshiped and honored. Man fails every time. The only way through the gate is narrow and Jesus holds the keys.
Clarence 13X says

Christianity is filled with as many fables of a mystery god

On this I disagree 100%. Christianity’s weakness is man. The Holly Bible has mysteries that have been unwrapped over time and in the end days the wrapping comes off faster, but even then we do not get to know everything until we get back home.

Jesus was just a man as well, the only difference is that many worship him as a mystery god that will return to save them. I never said I believed the fables of the Koran, Bible or any other works of allegory. Each of these works is filled with fables of a mystery god and place emphasis on the fear of dying in attempt to scare worshippers into their beliefs.

My point is that we can cannot blindly follow stupidity...regardless of religion.

I heard yesterday that Englands P.M. Gordon Brown suggested that the solution to the worlds economic problem is...A WORLD TAX. I'm not kidding!

More bizzare news...its now ILLEGAL to walk on a public beach between the hours of 2am and 5 am in Laguna Beach California. Not to have a beach fire, not to have a beach party, not to make noise or be drinking on the beach...but to WALK on the beach.

BEAM ME UP SCOTTY...THERE'S NO INTELLEGENT LIFE HERE!

@Abe--

Did the CRA cause Llyods issue as well? lol

The Savior was expected due to the words of the prophets. Jesus fullfilled the prophet's words EXACTLY. Only throuble was, the Jews in charge did not like what Jesus was telling them, so they still are waiting for their Savior ... Jews belive EXACTLY what The Bible tells us about a coming Savior, they just do not think He came yet.

Arabs are angry because they do not want to be the bastard son, so they are bitter. God has given the Arab's all of the gifts that go to the first born son ... except for the Holly Land, and the Jews are still the chosen ones of God. Abraham made this issue.

In closing, Jesus was not just a man.

ok, continue worshipping blindly.

If you sell crack to a liberal, he smokes it in a alley.

If you sell crack to a conservative, he smokes it in his trailer.

Liberals don't suggest their candidate, they want to dictate who you should vote for.
Conservatives are grateful for all of the business Liberals send them.

GO Palin, Obama still sucks Donkey sticks.

Bap33 says

In closing, Jesus was not just a man.

Neither was Rock Hudson.

Tenouncetrout says

Liberals don’t suggest their candidate, they want to dictate who you should vote for.
Conservatives are grateful for all of the business Liberals send them.
GO Palin, Obama still sucks Donkey sticks.

your an arse....but a very funny one.

elvis says

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were originally created to help make housing more affordable. Now their function is to help maintain high housing prices. This is a typical result of government interference of the free market. The government has no business being in the loan business. Economically strapped families should not be forced to support any failing enterprise. Fannie Mae acts contrary to free market principals in attempting to prop up and inflate prices which is exactly the opposite intention of what it was created to do in the first place. As a result prices are higher than they should be, courtesy of the U. S. Government. Thank you very much.

WTF does this have to do with cranky conservatives and wimpy liberals?