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If a liberal doesn't like marijuana, he doesn't use it. If a conservative doesn't like marijuana, he wants laws banning it, even if that means people who need it for medical purposes can't get it.

Clarence 13X says

Bap33 says

I’m a conservative.

Abortion is murder.

Murder is against the law and those that commit murder should be hung in the public square.

Rape is against the law and those that commit rape should be hung in the public square.

MAking a special law for or against murder (abortion) is stupid.

Making a special law for crimes committed against “protected classes” and calling those crimes “hate crimes” is stupid. If you murder a black sodomite you committed murder, and the penalty should be your life. There is no reason for a stronger sentence for killing a policeman, teacher, sodomite, or person of color. All life is precious and the murder of a innocent person should result in the hanging of the guilty person.

Liberals have trouble knowing what the differences are between murder and killing, conservatives do not have any trouble knowing the differences. Moral values are not commonly found in Libs, because they do not look to The Bible for a moral compass, and they disregard the template of society man has been given by God. …. even though America was set upon that very template.

Ok, flame away … it’s been awhile. lol

@ellie,

be gentle. lol

I support the foundations of your statement, which I take to be righteousness should be upheld with no disregard for the weak.I am conservative as well and I condone none of this behavior you speak of as it is not within the truth of Gods will. Is that the mythical mystery god you are referring to? The one who sat by and watched my people hang in the apple orchards while onlookers commented on the strange fruit hanging from the branches? Is this the God I was waiting to return for my salvation?…Should a rape victim wait or abort?
Liberals prefer not to wait for a mystery gods return, while conservative believe the only way to heaven is through Christ. ( which infers muslim, hindu babies will be turned away simply because they were birthed in the wrong culture )
Peace ALLAH

This is certainly off the topic. But lest Clarence be too full of himself and his own knowledge of spirituality: I'd like to remind him that the Bible doesn't say anyone will be "turned away simply because they were born in the wrong culture" or vice versa. What it does say is that your sins have separated you from God. The wages of sin is death. Regardless of culture.

But you did get one thing right. There is only one Savior. Find Him and even you can be forgiven.

Praise Yahweh!

Bap33 says

@ellie,
be gentle. lol

yawn.

you need a new battle cry. This one is old.

SecondClass

This is certainly off the topic. But lest Clarence be too full of himself and his own knowledge of spirituality: I’d like to remind him that the Bible doesn’t say anyone will be “turned away simply because they were born in the wrong culture” or vise versa. What it does say is that your sins have separated you from God. The wages of sin is death. Regardless of culture.

But you did get one thing right. There is only one Savior. Find Him and even you can be forgiven.

Praise Yahweh!

Many members of the body of Christ proclaim "the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ" and many muslims believe the same. This stupidity began during the crusades of the middle ages and well before. If you believe there is only one savior then you preach the same stupidity as many others, because the GOD that I believe in will not turn away a child simply because he was born to the wrong religion, culture or social status.

Praise be Allah

dang ..... tuff crowd

Clarence 13X says

Many members of the body of Christ proclaim “the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ” and many muslims believe the same.

100% wrong.

You young kids really have a lot to learn about extremist behaviors of the world and how religion has been used to divide and conquer many nations. God will never turn away anyone based on their religion, it will be your actions that count the most.

Talk to me in 30 years, at which point hopefully you have realized that people of all cultures share the same issues.

Clarence, I'm glad you have it all figured out. God must be very pleased with you. I'm sure you can't wait to meet Him either. That will be a sight to behold no doubt. It is said that life is short and that meeting will be here before you know it. Now that is a wonderful thought. Peace be to you!

2ndClassCitizen says

Clarence, I’m glad you have it all figured out. God must be very pleased with you. I’m sure you can’t wait to meet Him either. That will be a sight to behold no doubt. It is said that life is short and that meeting will be here before you know it. Now that is a wonderful thought. Peace be to you!

It is not figured out without logic and mathematics...I like to refer to the term "What would Jesus Do?" when I find myself in challenging situations that require a moral decision. I thought that was a witty slogan that could help us all understand how situational these issues really are.

Try not to patronize me with Islamic slogans, phrases and rhetoric. I am also member of a Masonic lodge...will you start citing allegory from our sacred texts next?

LOL

Clarence it is nice to have you here in all your wisdom. I simply wish you all the best.

I am too old for this shit...no more patronizing comments. Your opinions count, and are just as strong...I did not mean to come off as a elitist pig. sorry...I was only clarifying not trying to bring wisdom or prune juice to the party.

I’m reading “Mein Kampf” at the suggestion of a reader, and must say it has some good insight into how to control the masses. One insight is that you have to lump all your enemies together into ONE enemy because the masses just don’t have the patience to deal with details like multiple enemies or shades of grey.
The same strategy is being used now, it seems, where “liberals” or “conservatives” get blamed for everything, while the corporations running the government happily skip off with our money.

Very wise observation Patrick.

Clarence 13X says

Many members of the body of Christ proclaim “the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ” and many muslims believe the same. This stupidity began during the crusades of the middle ages and well before. If you believe there is only one savior then you preach the same stupidity as many others, because the GOD that I believe in will not turn away a child simply because he was born to the wrong religion, culture or social status.

I never thought a religious person could have such truthful thoughts ABOUT religion, especially their own. I feel like I've found a lephrechaun. Or are they less rare than the honestly reflective religious person. Are you the rare black swan of a person that Nassim Talen writes about?

Though, your story is one that is difficult to believe. Not only the content but even the simple numbers. You are saying that you have grandparents that were born as slaves in 1838?...that an offspring of this couple (I am assuming this must be a man) at some point 100 years later was producing children to get to 11 kids during WWII, all living in a small shack...one of which was you? Fascinating story, if true.

OK, yoda, I'm intrigued. You claim to have a life's secret, which you gained through your many years of experience.

Care to share?

So Hitler had to conflate Jews and Communists into one enemy, for example, even though there really wasn’t all that much overlap.

It was an easy leap for him. He pointed out that Marx and Lenin had Jewish ancestry and called communism a "Jewish plot".

The same strategy is being used now, it seems, where “liberals” or “conservatives” get blamed for everything, while the corporations running the government happily skip off with our money.

Sure, liberal/conservative have devolved into pejorative terms with loose meaning. I considered Bush a liberal; at least when it came to spending. But, this forum itself contributes to the divide-and-conquer strategy of the corporations you're railing against. I went to see President Obama in Portsmouth, NH for his health care kick-off tour this summer. My friend and I were surprised by the rally atmosphere and wondered about the timing. We came to the conclusion that health care was being brought up to re-divide the population. For a brief moment this past winter/spring liberal, conservative, independent were united in disgust at corporatism. So what to do? Easy. Bring up a polarizing issue and a diversion is created, the conversation is changed, "while the corporations running the government happily skip off with our money."

Is this the my God can beat up your God thread or what?

Or is God the ultimate politician?

There's no lack of parties that for sure.

Praise Bacon!

Bap33 says

Clarence 13X says

Liberals prefer not to wait for a mystery gods return, while conservative believe the only way to heaven is through Christ. ( which infers muslim, hindu babies will be turned away simply because they were birthed in the wrong culture )

ummmm, no, what you are born, and to whom you are born, matters not with regard to following Christ … unless you happen to be born in a place that is politically controlled by those that believe the fairy-tales of mohamad (the famous baby raper), or in a fine place like China …. you know, someplace like Persia that kills Christians … despite the inability of anyone to prove a person is a Christian on site … but, for some odd reason the followers of mohamad’s fabels don’t really care about the details. The lies and hate built upon mohamad’s fabels will leave a scar on the world … just like mohamad was dreaming and writing about while blasted out on drugs.
here’s a thought, look at how the media is sooo afraid of publishing a cartoon of that loon mohamad, but demands the right to publish anything that puts Christ and Christians in a bad light. Seems kinda double-standard-ish don’t it? I guess those horrible Christians that don’t react by cutting off the heads of journalists need to re-think their approach, since nothing a islamuslim does “in the name of their religion” is ever questioned … right?

I just happen to worship that loon. Allah be willing, we will all find a way to not engage each other in a game of us versus them. These incidents you speak of have been ongoing since the middle ages and from I see wont be ending anytime soon. God, my point still stands and yes Jihadist succumb to the stupidity of believing in God, Allah, Jehova, Jesus with a blind faith. I do not believe that a mystery god will save me because not 100 years ago my family hung by the trees in the apple orchards while onlookers attempted to figure out what the strange fruit was that was hanging from the trees. Religion is man made, spirituality is from within. Believe whole heartedly and try not to denounce others that are spiritual....but please do continue to denounce stupidity in the form of extremists.

Please keep an open mind, as Christianity is filled with as many fables of a mystery god as Islam or any other religion. My statements were not meant to say that Islam or any other religion did not have weaknesses....they all do. It just depends on the person you were before you chose your avenue of worship.

Peace GOD.

Clarence 13X says

I just happen to worship that loon.

mohamad was just a man, worshiping him is a sin. Praying to a dead person is a sin. We don't worship/pray to Moses or Abraham or anyone other than God ..... ever. Those that look to Virgin Mary have failed to educate themselves on the Word of God, also.

Clarence 13X says

I do not believe that a mystery god will save me because not 100 years ago my family hung by the trees in the apple orchards while onlookers attempted to figure out what the strange fruit was that was hanging from the trees.

Believers in Christ shall be saved spirtually and our souls return to be in God's presence forever, or we are not written in the Book of Life and spend forever apart from God. God is no mystery, his existance abounds in every direction.

Clarence 13X says

Religion is man made, spirituality is from within

On this we agree 100%. It is man that fails, not God. And I agree, what God wants is a relationship and to be woshiped and honored. Man fails every time. The only way through the gate is narrow and Jesus holds the keys.

Clarence 13X says

Christianity is filled with as many fables of a mystery god

On this I disagree 100%. Christianity's weakness is man. The Holly Bible has mysteries that have been unwrapped over time and in the end days the wrapping comes off faster, but even then we do not get to know everything until we get back home.

Bap33 says

Clarence 13X says

I just happen to worship that loon.

mohamad was just a man, worshiping him is a sin. Praying to a dead person is a sin. We don’t worship/pray to Moses or Abraham or anyone other than God ….. ever. Those that look to Virgin Mary have failed to educate themselves on the Word of God, also.
Clarence 13X says

I do not believe that a mystery god will save me because not 100 years ago my family hung by the trees in the apple orchards while onlookers attempted to figure out what the strange fruit was that was hanging from the trees.

Believers in Christ shall be saved spirtually and our souls return to be in God’s presence forever, or we are not written in the Book of Life and spend forever apart from God. God is no mystery, his existance abounds in every direction.
Clarence 13X says

Religion is man made, spirituality is from within

On this we agree 100%. It is man that fails, not God. And I agree, what God wants is a relationship and to be woshiped and honored. Man fails every time. The only way through the gate is narrow and Jesus holds the keys.
Clarence 13X says

Christianity is filled with as many fables of a mystery god

On this I disagree 100%. Christianity’s weakness is man. The Holly Bible has mysteries that have been unwrapped over time and in the end days the wrapping comes off faster, but even then we do not get to know everything until we get back home.

Jesus was just a man as well, the only difference is that many worship him as a mystery god that will return to save them. I never said I believed the fables of the Koran, Bible or any other works of allegory. Each of these works is filled with fables of a mystery god and place emphasis on the fear of dying in attempt to scare worshippers into their beliefs.

My point is that we can cannot blindly follow stupidity...regardless of religion.

I heard yesterday that Englands P.M. Gordon Brown suggested that the solution to the worlds economic problem is...A WORLD TAX. I'm not kidding!

More bizzare news...its now ILLEGAL to walk on a public beach between the hours of 2am and 5 am in Laguna Beach California. Not to have a beach fire, not to have a beach party, not to make noise or be drinking on the beach...but to WALK on the beach.

BEAM ME UP SCOTTY...THERE'S NO INTELLEGENT LIFE HERE!

@Abe--

Did the CRA cause Llyods issue as well? lol

The Savior was expected due to the words of the prophets. Jesus fullfilled the prophet's words EXACTLY. Only throuble was, the Jews in charge did not like what Jesus was telling them, so they still are waiting for their Savior ... Jews belive EXACTLY what The Bible tells us about a coming Savior, they just do not think He came yet.

Arabs are angry because they do not want to be the bastard son, so they are bitter. God has given the Arab's all of the gifts that go to the first born son ... except for the Holly Land, and the Jews are still the chosen ones of God. Abraham made this issue.

In closing, Jesus was not just a man.

ok, continue worshipping blindly.

If you sell crack to a liberal, he smokes it in a alley.

If you sell crack to a conservative, he smokes it in his trailer.

Liberals don't suggest their candidate, they want to dictate who you should vote for.
Conservatives are grateful for all of the business Liberals send them.

GO Palin, Obama still sucks Donkey sticks.

Bap33 says

In closing, Jesus was not just a man.

Neither was Rock Hudson.

Tenouncetrout says

Liberals don’t suggest their candidate, they want to dictate who you should vote for.
Conservatives are grateful for all of the business Liberals send them.
GO Palin, Obama still sucks Donkey sticks.

your an arse....but a very funny one.

elvis says

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were originally created to help make housing more affordable. Now their function is to help maintain high housing prices. This is a typical result of government interference of the free market. The government has no business being in the loan business. Economically strapped families should not be forced to support any failing enterprise. Fannie Mae acts contrary to free market principals in attempting to prop up and inflate prices which is exactly the opposite intention of what it was created to do in the first place. As a result prices are higher than they should be, courtesy of the U. S. Government. Thank you very much.

WTF does this have to do with cranky conservatives and wimpy liberals?

“When you come here, all of a sudden you appreciate the world you live in,” he said.

The man has 12 pissers in a Villa, and he thinks he has perspective?

I own that house. I wish I sold it about purchased gold. Oh well, I have to say I feel like a slave in my own country. I can never retire, I can’t afford health care, I can’t move. I think this is common

Liberty for a conservative means doing what he wants with his labor and money. Liberty for a liberal means the taking from others their labor and money and using it as they see fit (takeing liberty).

For the former, liberty means freedom. The ability to do as he wishes within the boundry of the law. For the latter liberty means taking advantage of others. In other words the manipulation of others for their own uses.

Honest Abe says

Liberty for a conservative means doing what he wants with his labor and money. Liberty for a liberal means the taking from others their labor and money and using it as they see fit (takeing liberty).
For the former, liberty means freedom. The ability to do as he wishes within the boundry of the law. For the latter liberty means taking advantage of others. In other words the manipulation of others for their own uses.

I disagree, we all want the same thing in terms of public services the only difference is that the political parties use a lot of rhetoric to divide and conquer the people. Politics is about convincing the parties supporters that the other side is a "socialist" or "anti-abortion" ....when in reality both parties are not much different.

Your dirty little secret is that you like AM talk radio? That's it? Borrrrrrrrrrrrrring!

But you're right about people quoting what they've heard as gospel. It's dangerous.

Kind of like watching a "true crime story" on Lifetime Movie Network (I lovingly call LMN the "ladie's man-hating network). Man bad, Woman good. Woman is always the victim, wins against insurmountable odds and overcomes the adversity created by a lying, horrible evil man. It always ends with a crescendo of inspirational music, the woman stronger for the experience and the man left crushed & devastated in her wake. People buy into that shit, and that's what it is, pure crap.

We're left wanting drama in life. There's always a hero and something to fight for & against. It's entertainment designed to tug at emotions, and it works for some. That's AM talk radio for you. That's Faux News. And MSNBC programming too. It's called the entertainment industry for a reason. Every one of the anchors/hosts is in it for the ratings. They're spouting their opinions, and we all know that opinions aren't fact.

Intelligent people with the ability to reason should make up their own minds. It's okay to quote a sound bite, but not to trust it as gospel.

My dirty little secret? I like reading Nomo's posts. I usually do it in a comfy pair of sweats, and often have a glass of wine. I think that if I met Nomo, I would spend a fair chunk of the time laughing at his acerbic wit.

Similarly, Mark Levin is another east coast Jew who entered the entertainment world to make his fortune. In order to conceal his Jewish background (which wouldn’t set well with conservative Christians), he pronounces his name with a French sounding accent (Le Vin), apparently in the hope that people will think of a fine Bordeaux rather than a cheap bottle of Manischewitz concord grape wine.

Conservative christians are to Christianity as extremist mulims are to Islam. They hate everyone based on the fact that you dont look and sound like them. There is nothing wrong with AM radio like there is nothing wrong with attend a religious ceremony. The issue occurs when we blindly follow everything cited as the gospel of a prophet.

Your right, AM radio hosts are men/women who are attempting to sell advertising anyway possible.

I hate NPR, the Diane Rehm show especially.

I listen to it when WDNA the Public radio Jazz station, has some lame neo crap musical wanking on passing it off as legitimate Jazz. WDNA is NPR news with out the pontificating douches, instead they play Jazz until the next news update. Which I must say most of their news segments are good, as long as it isn't some liberal glad-handing journalist making the piece a political affiliation issue.

Their editorials and shows hosts are more skewed than Fox news on steroids IMHO.

An example Fox business news had a CEO from a solar panel mfg the other day. The girl I forget her name the chick on Happy Hour, was asking the CEO some tough questions and not the typical Rightwing BS talking point questions. This CEO told her that stimulus for his industry is crutial to develop this new technology. The lady interupted him and remided him that it is not new, it's been around since she was a kid in the 70's because her dad installed solar panels on their roof growing up. They've had well over 30-40 years to do so. What is different now.

This guy then retorted that "THEY" keep taking their funds away for 40 years...

Now right there, right or wrong. This is where "ALL" Americans whining and waiting for government incentives and credits to develop technologies that the rest of the world is just doing. This is why weren't going to end up sucking hind tit on Battery technology and solar as well, if it hinges on the Pork barrels from Washington to innovate.

But this guy thinks the tax payers are responsible to produce energy to scale on our dime.

NPR has guys like this on almost hourly and all they do is suck his shtick.
Never once have they asked the questions that I'm shouting at the radio mounted in my dashboard.

Wait a minute. You think Americans are smart enough to spend their money on the things they want and need? Don't we NEED the long arm the the law to force us at gunpoint (er.. I mean guide us lovingly with the threat of imprisonment for non-compliance) to misallocate resources properly?

Just drink the KOOLADE man, we need government programs (the more, the bigger the better). We need taxes for roads and schools and condoms. We NEED these things and Government is the MOST efficient way to get them to everyone who didn't earn them themselves.