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marcus says

Even most of the members of the "young republicans" had long hair and looked like godless dope smoking hippies.

It's called fashion.

Yeah but the difference is Charlie Manson got life in Prison not a record deal.

edited to fix the misquoted section.

tatupu70 says

InBev will literally drive AB into bankruptcy.

InBev is AB.

Look AB stopped making beer fucking YEARS ago.
They've been poisoning us, with flash fermentation that has everything from formaldehyde to stimulate quick fermentation to giving it a longer shelf life. The result was swill that was guaranteed to give you an upside down splitting headache if you drank more than three.

Now we actually have a selection of beers that come from countries and craftsmen that give a fuck. And I don't have to drink some overpriced shit, because it's from a micro brewery, with names on the bottle/can that makes me feel like a total douche bag. In fact, that's probably the name of the beer, these geniuses come up with. "Douche bag in a Can". Then they expect me to lay down $12.00 a 6 pack for it. Fuck that, I'll grab a New Castle, Tiger Beer, Stella Atouis, countless Belgian and German beers.

For anywhere from 6 to 10. Those micro breweries aren't all that.

Besides the names listed on this page, it also opened up the American markets to many beers not listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_InBev_brands

CaptainShuddup says

InBev is AB.

No, InBev bought AB.

CaptainShuddup says

that has everything from formaldehyde

You're on crack.

CaptainShuddup says

Fuck that, I'll grab a New Castle, Tiger Beer, Stella Atouis, countless Belgian and German beers.

You know many of these are now made at AB breweries that "stopped making beer fucking years ago", right?

The American market was already open to those beers. I think you just needed to find a better liquor store...

Also since InBev has entered the market great beers around the country are actually casting a wider net. I've never seen Anchor Steamboat beer, or Shiner Bock now I see quite regularly.

AB kept the American market wrapped up tighter than a gnats Ass with hemorrhoids. It was a good thing that InBev bought AB, because with it, they lost their lobby might and influence to keep the unfair advantage over most all beer production and distributorship in America. Miller would be another we could do with out.

Most conservatives are annoying d#ck$.
Most liberals are annoying c#nts.
Moderation is the key.

tatupu70 says

The American market was already open to those beers. I think you just needed to find a better liquor store...

That's my whole point.
Those beers are at a Hess station now.

Ok now:

indigenous says

Ok now:

Oh come now, I'm sure if you try you can come up with a better rebuttal than that!

Call it Crazy says

Doesn't seem to be hurting their business... Go look at their 5 year stock chart...

Actually, it has hurt their business. Budweiser sales are way down.

InBev did make the company more profitable--AB was bloated at the time of the purchase. They did the needed cost cutting, but also disregarded AB's focus on quality. Now they use cheaper ingredients and have next to no quality control. Cost cutting only lasts so long--eventually you have to have growth...

You should really read up on InBev and AB--it's an interesting story.

Call it Crazy says

Budweiser sales are down because the beer sucks, always has... People are finally noticing it...

I don't particularly like Bud either. But that's not the point. While Bud has been dropping in popularity, Coors light has been rising. People haven't noticed that?

Call it Crazy says

Welcome to the new world of manufacturing... This is going on in many industries, not just InBev...

Not any that want to grow and prosper. I'm in manufacturing and I see the exact opposite.

indigenous says

Ok now:

That was fu*king epic!

They have more time.

Also in College Liberals majored in Liberal Arts and Humanities. That I majored in Engineering and did not hang out with them was an unplanned blessing.

Liberals may have more diabetes and liver related issues. (IBID), in states that are near the Whiskey belt this does not hold.

"The research reveals that states with more liberal representatives like Nevada tend to consume up to three times more alcohol per head than more politically conservative states like Arkansas and Utah"

Nevada casinos give out free drinks, you can expect more alcohol consumption.
I bet if Jesus turned all the water into wine in Utah and gave it for free, it would have the highest alcohol consumption rates.

Liberals drink, it is that they drink a lot of liberal kool aid.

Being stupid and amazed sure sounds like you're concerned...

bob2356 says

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

No one liberal or conservative with more than 2 working brain cells is concerned with such a dumb ass study.

Then why did YOU respond to it so negatively???

Im not concerned in the least, I just think it' just plain old stupid and am amazed anyone would actually bother to bring it up.

Have you tried a gel rise?

bob2356 says

BTW I'm an right leaning independent

What type of guilt do you harbor that you would think you are being judged?
The OP made no statements to that effect.

Dan8267 says

So whether or not liberals do so, although maybe interesting from a sociological view, is completely irrelevant to judgments of intelligence, integrity, morality, or correctness of political philosophy.

Call it Crazy says

Budweiser sales are down because the beer sucks, always has...

It didn't always has, but at least since they started that "Born On date" marketing ploy, to dupe people into thinking that they were poisoning the beer for quality and freshness sakes. Which was the exact opposite. Budwiser has been swill for at least ten years.

And I'm a guy that was a hard core true blue Budweiser red white and blue patriot. IT used to baffle me, that they even wasted investors moneys on advertisement, when it was a fait accompli purchace. I mean anyone in their right mind was buying beer was buying Budwieser, anything else was piss water. AB screwed the pooch fucking with the winning formula, just like Coke a cola did. Budwieser has been shit, and I don't give a fuck who bought it, anything and anyone would have been an improvement. Budweiser sales are down, oh fucking well! There's better beer to be had.

Yes I was the hardest hard core AB product patron there was. They screwed the pooch not InBev.

SoftShell says

Being stupid and amazed sure sounds like you're concerned..

If I were stupid and amazed that would make me a fox news viewer, not concerned. Being amazed at stupidity makes me someone who is not a fox news viewer.

I speak in tongues whenever I'm around these demon Realtor's.

Be gone in the name of Jesus!!!!

This is your ubiquitous ad hominem.

The great depression was caused by a credit bubble, sound familiar?

This was in part caused by the government devaluing the dollar so the US had a surplus in international trade. This is exactly what China is doing now.

The bubble popped and would have passed except Roosevelt and Hoover decided they would "fix" the economy. This is what prolonged the problem with endless tinkering.

This is where your Keynesian economics came to fruition.

indigenous says

The great depression was caused by a credit bubble, sound familiar?

What preceded the great depression OTHER THAN the nonsense that you've mentioned above?

upisdown says

indigenous says

The great depression was caused by a credit bubble, sound familiar?

What preceded the great depression OTHER THAN the nonsense that you've mentioned above?

Why don't you enlighten us...

indigenous says

Why don't you enlighten us...

So you're economic genius isn't working right now ?

Hint: What preceded every depression that occured before (and including)the great depression, and even occured prior to the great recession of recent?

indigenous says

This was in part caused by the government devaluing the dollar so the US had a surplus in international trade. This is exactly what China is doing now.

Ok I'll bite, how exactly did the government devalue the dollar in 1920's. The US was on the gold standard fixed at $20 an ounce until 1933. One of the bigger factors in the great depression was France and Britain debasing their currencies in the 1920's leading to a huge inflow of gold to the US that fueled a speculation bubble.

Stupidity is a pretty common trait among a large segment of the population.
For someone to still be 'amazed at stupidity' quite frankly doesn't have all his dogs barking.

bob2356 says

Being amazed at stupidity makes me someone who is not a fox news viewer.

bob2356 says

indigenous
says

This was in part caused by the government devaluing the dollar so the US had
a surplus in international trade. This is exactly what China is doing now.

Ok I'll bite, how exactly did the government devalue the dollar in 1920's.
The US was on the gold standard fixed at $20 an ounce until 1933. One of the
bigger factors in the great depression was France and Britain debasing their
currencies in the 1920's leading to a huge inflow of gold to the US that fueled
a speculation bubble.

You still haven't answered the question of what preceded every depression.
Well?

bob2356 says

Ok I'll bite, how exactly did the government devalue the dollar in 1920's. The US was on the gold standard fixed at $20 an ounce until 1933. One of the bigger factors in the great depression was France and Britain debasing their currencies in the 1920's leading to a huge inflow of gold to the US that fueled a speculation bubble.

The FED kept the interest rates artificially low. Same thing China is doing now.

indigenous says

bob2356 says

Ok I'll bite, how exactly did the government devalue the dollar in 1920's. The US was on the gold standard fixed at $20 an ounce until 1933. One of the bigger factors in the great depression was France and Britain debasing their currencies in the 1920's leading to a huge inflow of gold to the US that fueled a speculation bubble.

The FED kept the interest rates artificially low. Same thing China is doing now.

The FED kept the discount rate right at 4% from 1921 to 1929, how is that artificially low?

Please feel free to explain how a low interest rate devalues a currency that is at a fixed exchange rate to gold. That makes less than zero sense to me, but i'm willing to learn.

SoftShell says

Stupidity is a pretty common trait among a large segment of the population.

For someone to still be 'amazed at stupidity' quite frankly doesn't have all his dogs barking.

I guess I don't hang in the same circles as you do.

This is damning evidence....

Call it Crazy says

SoftShell says

Stupidity is a pretty common trait among a large segment of the population.

bob2356 says

I guess I don't hang in the same circles as you do.

Aren't you here posting every day???

I've heard they all have wonky arms and can't reach the credit card in their pockets.

Call it Crazy says

SoftShell says

Stupidity is a pretty common trait among a large segment of the population.

bob2356 says

I guess I don't hang in the same circles as you do.

Aren't you here posting every day???

Stupidity on patnet is isolated to a very very small group I ignore. I didn't realize you were including yourself in that circle. I guess I'll have defer to your superior knowledge of where you feel you belong since you insist.

bob2356 says

indigenous says

bob2356 says

Ok I'll bite, how exactly did the government devalue the dollar in 1920's. The US was on the gold standard fixed at $20 an ounce until 1933. One of the bigger factors in the great depression was France and Britain debasing their currencies in the 1920's leading to a huge inflow of gold to the US that fueled a speculation bubble.

The FED kept the interest rates artificially low. Same thing China is doing now.

The FED kept the discount rate right at 4% from 1921 to 1929, how is that artificially low?

The above links state Bernanke, Rothbard, and Pettis say that the currency was undervalued.

As indicated in the Rothbard link it was done by changing the reserve rate which effected the interest rates as money became more plentiful.

To the question of how did they undervalue the currency when it is locked to a gold standard. That is a good question, I don't know.

I would guess it would have to be in how the valuation is set.

This from this:

"On the other hand the US dollar was undervalued, this contributed to a boom in US economy which led to the credit bubble and stock market crash of 1929."

So it was undervalued in the first when the gold standard was set. As the UK's was overvalued because of unions. The UK left the gold standard in 1931.

http://econ.economicshelp.org/2009/02/gold-standard-explained.html

indigenous says

Yes if they have less reserve that is allowing more government intervention. Do you see what I mean?

No, because that is completely incorrect. A reserve requirement is a government regulation. Higher requirement = more intervention. Lower requirement = less intervention.

bob2356 says

Ok, since you are incapable of actually presenting any facts what in your
OPINION preceded every depression?

Federal government surpluses.

1817-1821 debt reduced 29%, depression began 1819
1823-1836 debt reduced 99%, depression began 1836
1852-1857 debt reduced 59%, depression began 1857
1867-1873 debt reduced 27%, depression began 1873
1880-1893 debt reduced 57%, depression began 1893
1929-1930 debt reduced 36%, depression began 1929
The most recent 'great recession' that some may call legitimately or not a depression followed a surplus that occurred in late 1999-2000.

Another Monday setup to be another horrific day. I see only a few people sitting at the table of consequences. Lots more need to take their seats before any healing can actually start. In reality this is just a continuation of the problems from 2008. After almost 5 years of fumbling around we are no better off than before, actually in worse shape when this merry-go-round finally stops and everyone is sick.

When the source is NAR I should interpret it exactly opposite. Is that the case here?

The market looks like shit, ISM report sucked, and the Euro and gold are up (gold almost 2%!).