patrick.net

Anybody remember when James Clapper lied to Senator Wyden's face that the NSA wasn't spying on everybody's emails?

Gee, I wonder who tried to get the "Snowden is a Sino-Russian Stooge" meme going with "anonymous intel officials say" BS out to the WaPo and NYT?

PS Not the only time Clapper lied Publicly about the NSA taking everybody's emails.

The reason Obama got away with not doing anything substantial about it is because of Press Bias.

PCGyver says

If you really were interested in the truth you would be more concerned about the truth in the emails than the truth to who got them

Really? You are not concerned that a foreign State illegally obtained and disseminated private correspondence for the express purpose of altering a US Presidential election?:

I imagine the shoe would be on the other foot if Germany had released private Trump emails detailing his ties to the Russian mob.

PCGyver says

@jokeyjojo

Can you please share the truth about how Iraq has WMD's?

I think George W. put it best.

"Fool me once shame on me, oh wait a minute how does it go?"

Great--so I assume you are all for getting rid of all US intelligence services. They fooled you once, after all.

joeyjojojunior says

Really? You are not concerned that a foreign State illegally obtained and disseminated private correspondence for the express purpose of altering a US Presidential election?:

Private correspondence = Not Government Correspondence

The real question is why Hillary had ANY classified info on her private, unauthorized server.

Had Billy Bob, GS-5 at State, had ANY classified info on a private, unauthorized server "for his convenience", he'd be well into his prison term.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Private correspondence = Not Government Correspondence

And illegal = not legal. What's your point?

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

The real question is why Hillary had ANY classified info on her private, unauthorized server.

Who is talking about anything classified?? We're talking about her private strategy emails. Those are the ones that Russia released.

And the other questions is why didn't they release the RNC emails that they also hacked?? Any ideas?

joeyjojojunior says

Who is talking about anything classified?? We're talking about her private strategy emails. Those are the ones that Russia released.

Who wrote them? Also, where is your evidence* about the hacking?

John Podesta clicked a phishing email like a dumbass. Anybody stupider than a reasonably well-versed lay computer user shouldn't have high office in any Administration.

I'm glad we know that Hillary's speeches to Goldman Sachs, Itau, and other big money banks that gave her huge amounts of cash, was the asskissing everybody suspected. I say give Wikileaks or the FSB or the German Green Politicians the Pulitzer.

Isn't nice to know that two liars who conspired to rig the Democratic Primary against Bernie while saynig they were unbiased were discovered and punished?

I'm also happy to know the role Michael Froman of Citigroup played in picking Obama's cabinet.

* Evidence != anonymous intel officials or MIC Partner Companies "behavioral analysis".

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Who wrote them?

Uh, lots of different people.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Also, where is your evidence* about the hacking?

lol--you're hilarious.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

I'm glad we know that Hillary's speeches to Goldman Sachs was the asskissing everybody suspected

Is that one of the classified ones?

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Isn't nice to know that two liars who conspired to rig the Democratic Primary against Bernie while saynig they were unbiased were discovered and punished?

That must be one of the classified ones, right?

joeyjojojunior says

lol--you're hilarious.

Keep dodging! Ain't got nothin' !

joeyjojojunior says

Is that one of the classified ones?

It was one of the ones she said she'd "Think about" releasing. I'm glad somebody took her ultimate decision (ie "Never! You Peons!") out of her hands.

joeyjojojunior says

That must be one of the classified ones, right?

Who cares? The classified ones should land her in prison. Like the Navy enlistedman, one year for each one, with the kindness of the Judge having the sentences run concurrently. Otherwise we don't have the rule of law, but the rule of wealthy and connected powerful individuals getting away scot free.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?_r=0
22 years, one count for each. But I'm a nice guy, let's have them run concurrently as her health isn't that great.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Keep dodging! Ain't got nothin' !

Nope, you and I both know I got something. You are just covering your ears and yelling LA-LA-LA--LA, hoping that if you don't hear it, it isn't true.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Who cares? The classified ones should land her in prison. Like the Navy enlistedman, one year for each one, with the kindness of the Judge having the sentences run concurrently. Otherwise we don't have the rule of law, but the rule of wealthy and connected powerful individuals getting away scot free.

Colin Powell too?

PCGyver says

She lost me when she said this.

That's fine. I'm not saying you should have voted for her. Vote for whoever you want. Just don't come on here lying and trying to deny facts.

Tim Aurora says

No website is 100% correct and all have flaws.

False dichotomy. Wikipedia articles have been controlled for over a decade by various well-funded government and private organizations as I have detailed above. There's a big difference between intentional, systematic deception and human error. If you cannot detect that you are being fooled, then you are simply even more foolish.

Intent matters.

Yah I think we should all be more concerned abou the enemies within our government than the possible threat of a foreign country hacking those enemies' emails and giving them to be published.

If you can't see that, you're either stupid or a paid DNC shill. So, jojo wanna clarify which you are?

Goddamn it, who in LA County hired John Podesta?

Anybody remember Hillary pre-2015 bragging about what an expert she was in counter-intelligence?

"Oh, we had to meet under tarps because of telescoping Chinese cameras."

PCGyver says

7 Reasons Security Firms Believe the Russian State Hacked the DNC.

"Well, your honor, he worked 9-to-5, just like we believe the serial killer does. Also, he has hands capable of holding the Glock used. What are the odds of somebody who works 9-to-5 having hands the right size to hold a Glock 9mm?"

"This article is 7 reasons why we can't cancel the F-35, written by aerospace defense experts! Are you saying Pratt & Whitney, Lockheed Martin, etc. don't know what they're talking about? This is Evidence, goddammit!"

PCGyver says

Actually I'm more concerned about the DNC altering a US Presidental election of which there is undisputed actual factual true evidence of.

Let me help you out then. The DNC clearly didn't alter a US Presidential election--if they did, I assume their candidate (Hillary Clinton) would have won. What I assume you are referencing, is the US Democratic Primary where the DNC decides who to nominate to run for President in their party. The DNC is under no obligation to allow the people to choose their candidate and have, in fact, a mechanism (superdelegates) already in place to allow them to negate the will of the people if they so choose. So, the DNC choosing to aid a candidate, while incredibly stupid and damaging to the party, is not really against the rules. It's just really stupid.

Quigley says

Yah I think we should all be more concerned abou the enemies within our government than the possible threat of a foreign country hacking those enemies' emails and giving them to be published.

What the hell are you even talking about? What enemies? Have you been reading infowars again?

Only TWO (2) DNC chairs stepped down within weeks of each other over the Bernie-Sabotage Revelations.

Goddamn Russians, it's none of the US Public's business that the Democratic Front-Runner was sabotaged by his own party, and that they discussed atheist-baiting him while their operatives got debate questions in advance from CNN officials and only gave them to Hillary! Or that a Citigroup Executive helped pick Obama's Cabinet. Or the content of Hillary's asskissing speeches to Big Banks.

America needs to stop having it's mind polluted by leaks, and let the media interpret the news for them!

The DNC altered the election by pre-arming their candidate with debate questions,

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Goddamn Russians, it's none of the US Public's business that the Democratic Front-Runner was sabotaged by his own party

Thunder--you're getting more loony by the minute. The Democratic front runner? When was Bernie EVER considered the "front runner"

joeyjojojunior says

What the hell are you even talking about? What enemies? Have you been reading infowars again?

2016: The Democrats are Infowars.

joeyjojojunior says

Thunder--you're getting more loony by the minute. The Democratic front runner? When was Bernie EVER considered the "front runner"

Beg pardon, the close second. You know, the one who won about half the primaries and caucus states.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

2016: The Democrats are Infowars.

Good try, but you need to work with zzyyxx a little more on your meme game.

Replace "anonymous government official" with "All 17 government intelligence agencies, Congress, POTUS, all private security agencies, et. al" and you'll be on the right track.

PCGyver says

So you are saying the primaries aren't part of the US Presidental election process?

Part of the process? At this point in time, because both major parties have decided they will run primary elections to help determine their candidate--yes they are.

But the primary is the primary. It's not the Presidential election.

joeyjojojunior says

Replace "anonymous government official" with "All 17 government intelligence agencies, Congress, POTUS, all private security agencies, et. al" and you'll be on the right track.

here's the context:
"are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process."

In other words, it's more North Korea Sony Hack shit.

I could just as easily say the hacks:

"are consistent with the methods and motivations of Right Wing-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process."

OR

"are consistent with the methods and motivations of Anarchist-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process."

Who knew Phishing attacks were solely the province of the FSB? Somebody tell all those Nigerians!

You know what? Putting fluoride in the water sounds like the method and motivation of Communist-directed efforts, Mandrake!

Personally I think it's disgusting that political hacks appointed by Obama would put such doubts on US Elections to help his Party's Candidate.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

here's the context:

"are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process."

What context? wtf are you talking about.

Even the public info on the hacks is more than that. And there is a lot more info that has yet to be made public.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Personally I think it's disgusting that political hacks appointed by Obama would put such doubts on US Elections to help his Party's Candidate.

To help his party's candidate? How is this helping Clinton? She lost. And there is zero chance she will ever hold any other office in the future. She'd probably like this whole issue to go away.

joeyjojojunior says

What context? wtf are you talking about.

The context in that joint statement.

joeyjojojunior says

To help his party's candidate? How is this helping Clinton? She lost. And there is zero chance she will ever hold any other office in the future. She'd probably like this whole issue to go away.

The hacking allegations began long before the elections.

She lost, because she was a shitty candidate who called a huge portion of America "Deplorable", and whose henchmen and supporters who contributed to the great fuckup loss, don't want to blame themselves.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

The hacking allegations began long before the elections.

Obviously--because the hacking began long before the elections.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

She lost, because she was a shitty candidate who called a huge portion of America "Deplorable", and whose henchmen and supporters who contributed to the great fuckup loss, don't want to blame themselves.

Yep--that's clearly a large reason that she lost. Does that make it OK or a foreign State to hack private emails in an attempt to influence our elections?

Here's more context from the Obama appointees:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

As you can see, it's utterly evidence free. Only "Confident" and "Suspect" and "Consistent with Motivations".

Do you think handing out cookies to anti-government protesters calling for unconstitutional elections by Ambassadors and State Department Officials is interference in an election?

What did she run on??

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Here's more context from the Obama appointees:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

As you can see, it's utterly evidence free. Only "Confident" and "Suspect" and "Consistent with Motivations".

Yep--the point of that release wasn't to provide evidence or even convince anyone that the Russians were behind it. The point was to reassure people that the actual voting results are legit.

joeyjojojunior says

Yep--that's clearly a large reason that she lost. Does that make it OK or a foreign State to hack private emails in an attempt to influence our elections?

There's no evidence - only assertions about possible methods and motivations - that it happened.

If it did, Russia should get the Pulitzer Prize.

Personally, this kind of complicated of hacking into "Pa$$w0rd" protected systems could only done by one man, expert in Electronic Warfare and Love Rockets.

www.youtube.com/embed/MNyG-xu-7SQ

joeyjojojunior says

Yep--the point of that release wasn't to provide evidence or even convince anyone that the Russians were behind it. The point was to reassure people that the actual voting results are legit.

Yep, I'm glad the people had full context, and the minorities didn't trust Ms. Bring them to Heel, the co-inventor of private prisons and school-to-prison pipelines with her Husband, Bill.

www.youtube.com/embed/wQ4PYVATBac

I'm glad nuclear war was averted, because Hillary has a record of horrible judgement in politics generally, and especially in foreign affairs.

Dan8267 says

False dichotomy. Wikipedia articles have been controlled for over a decade by various well-funded government and private organizations as I have detailed above. There's a big difference between intentional, systematic deception and human error. If you cannot detect that you are being fooled, then you are simply even more foolish.

What ever happened to wikiscanner?

I think they caught a lot of IPs in Alexandria, VA editing "Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction" Articles. Because the CIA never lies.

Of course, since then they've gotten smart enough to use VPNs.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

I'm glad nuclear war was averted, because Hillary has a record of horrible judgement in politics generally, and especially in foreign affairs.

Unfortunately, so does the Donald. Supporting the Iraq War, buying NJ casinos, refusing to rent apartments to blacks.

The first one is a PRATT. The second is proof that Trump isn't clairvoyant, and the third happened in the 70s.

Does Hillary personally support gay marriage yet?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2631

Yeah right. Trump didn't rent some apartments to blacks in the 70s. Most of the virtue signaling armchair quarterbacks themselves would have probably run around in kkk robes back then. Or under the Nazi regime they would have been perfect blockwart snitches, but in their imagination they would have all been resistance fighters. Sure thing. But zomg! Trump didn't rent some apartments to people he didn't want to rent it to!! Next.

@mell

What we are seeing is the transition between the 'bargaining' and 'acceptance' phase of Grief.

"If we can prove it was Russian Hackers..."

The acceptance phase is on the way.

That does it. We need to screen our civil servants to have a median IQ of 90 instead of 80.

Ironman says

Among the data potentially accessed were names, addresses, dates of birth, Social Security numbers, financial information and medical records

Here comes ID theft. Those Nigerians are smarter than i thought. Or should i say.......Americans are more stupid than i thought.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

The first one is a PRATT.

Previously Refuted A Thousand Times

Had to look it up.

joeyjojojunior says

Unfortunately, so does the Donald. Supporting the Iraq War, buying NJ casinos, refusing to rent apartments to blacks.

What about....
Supporting the destruction of ISIS, selling NJ casino, renting to the rich?

www.youtube.com/embed/TlqKFlU7YAs

At the first Presidential debate, Garrison speaks from the heart and tries to convince everyone to vote for his opponent.