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Ironman says

bad choice to use as an example. You'll have to do better.

I see. The goal posts ever shifting. So now not only must be a right wing news outlet, it must be the 'right type of person' too? When you decide on hair color and favorite sport the media person has to have to be credible, let me know.

My impression is the only "source" you would listen to is one you agree with.

Trump's verbal diarrhoea over one state/two state was probably even worse than this latest debacle.

Heavily used alts... Didn't his wife post very occasionally?

Rew says

My impression is the only "source" you would listen to is one you agree with.

You are just figuring this out now? A little slow on the uptake.

Rashomon says

Trump's verbal diarrhoea over one state/two state was probably even worse than this latest debacle.

Time for the two state solution is now passing. The Palestinians had been made several good offers in the past 20 years, but each time they walked away and doubled down on terrorism instead of a making counter-offer. The world never penalized the Palestinians for walking away from the table.

There is probably one chance, but to succeed there has to be aid cuts, travel bans of Fatah and Hamas members, and other sanctions for refusing to negotiate. Not just the usual "Blame Israelis."

Only a slim majority of Palestinians and Israelites want it. And increasingly, a large number of Americans don't want it, almost a plurality now. One of the big problems is that when Palestinians hear "Two-State Solution" they think not just ALL the pre-1967 border, but additional lands reducing Israel to basically a strip on the Coast.

It's an extraordinarily complex issue with huge regional ramifications and doesn't warrant the blathering and ill-informed comments produced by Trump:

“I’m looking at two-state and one-state and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like...”
“I can live with either one. I thought for a while it looked like the two-state might be the easier of the two – but honestly if Bibi, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy, I’m happy with the one they like the best...”

Does he even know what one state potentially means? His spiel isn't funny anymore, if it ever was.

Quigley says

There's no volcano recently, so this colder winter must be the result of a different phenomenon.

What colder than normal winter? Winter has been pretty mild around me. Jan was 11 degrees above normal and Feb is 6 degrees above normal so far. Ice thickness is pretty poor. There have been a bunch of people through this season.

YesYNot says

But according to an individual familiar with Harward's thinking, the former Navy SEAL who served on the National Security Council under President George W. Bush turned down the Trump offer because he did not receive sufficient assurances about staffing and autonomy. Specifically, the source said Harward wanted commitments that the National Security Council would be fully in charge of security matters, not Trump's political advisers.

Who is this guy? Can I talk to him? Oh, another anonymous source. "Familiar with Harward's thinking" = somebody from another administration who worked with him occasionally.

I can't possibly imagine why Harward wouldn't want to put themselves through the smear jobbing each cabinet nomination has gotten. He'd be called an anti-semite, accused of being in the pay of Iran because he lived there under the Shah as a Kid, or just in the pay of Putin and having Russian connections as usual. etc. etc.

Rashomon says

blathering and ill-informed comments produced by Trump:

“I’m looking at two-state and one-state and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like...”

“I can live with either one. I thought for a while it looked like the two-state might be the easier of the two – but honestly if Bibi, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy, I’m happy with the one they like the best...”

Does he even know what one state potentially means? His spiel isn't funny anymore, if it ever was.

Lead if Obama said it: "President wisely insists on broad, multi-lateral agreement on any solution adopted between Israel and Palestine. Nobel Peace Prize winner leaves door open for any kind of agreement."

it looks like the lefties are doubling down on their election strategy-good. Don't change, don't try to understand-double and triple down-very, very good. They used to say Obama was the master of 8th dimension chess.Hahahaha!!

She did until she came across his misogynist threads, then she stopped mysteriously...

Rashomon says

Heavily used alts... Didn't his wife post very occasionally?

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Lead if Obama said it: "President wisely insists on broad, multi-lateral agreement on any solution adopted between Israel and Palestine. Nobel Peace Prize winner leaves door open for any kind of agreement."

Utter nonsense. If Obama had done what Trump did, then he too would have been lambasted. Unfortunately for you, Obama was actually able to grasp the details and handle himself in front of the press.

The Political Climate Crew spend their time trying to implement Carbon Credits and Tax Penalties. They have zero interest in practical solutions for warming. They also deliberately fudge numbers to create alarming headlines aimed at effecting strategic international events which push for taxing powerful carbon dioxide creators. Al Gore went all-in with his personal investments a decade ago on the carbon credit scheme.

I cannot possibly count the number of sensational headlines showing why we should freak-out and pay taxes because of retreating ice at Glacier Bay.

Unfortunately for the political crowd, we know precisely where the glaciers were in the early 1700's. Heavy glacial retreat was underway by 1750. They intentionally ignore how the trend began in Glacier Bay more than 150 years before the industrial revolution. This is because the truth would damage the plan for Carbon Taxation.

Here's a photo I have enjoyed on days when arctic ice retreat bs was ten miles thick.

The USS Skate surfaced at the ice free North Pole on March 17th 1959.

Now can we get back to what really matters. Let's get Kris Kringle back above sea level before no one even celebrates Christmas anymore!

Liberals who hate America sure love to hate Trump for his patriotism.

This article is apt to this thread.

Obama endorsing subversion even mayor Garcetti endorses this BS, an army of unwitting zombies.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/14/lefts-alinsky-plan-destroy-trump-administration/

How was relationships with Russia in 2009?

How was relationships with China in 2009?

How many islands (Rock outcroppings) had occurred in 2009?

How many rapes and mass murders in EU by terrorist in 2009?

How big was Boka Harrum kidnappings going on in 2009?

How many dictators in the Middle East were on their back foot in 2009?

How many Dictators had we given open support to in 2009?

Leaving out these global and known facts that this mess has been created but must be fixed by another makes this thread a fallacious thread.

Rashomon says

Utter nonsense. If Obama had done what Trump did, then he too would have been lambasted. Unfortunately for you, Obama was actually able to grasp the details and handle himself in front of the press.

Ah, incompetent now. No more Hitler? Or is it Incompetent anti-semitic misogynist Hitler Russian-Puppet?

How did Obama's insistence that Bibi stop settlements for months - which he did beyond the period Obama requested - help the Peace Process? What was the result?

Then, as a parting gesture, against the platform of BOTH Dem and Rep parties, in the last days of his office, colluded with the Palestinians not to veto a one-sided anti-Israel UN resolution for the first time in 50 years. The media covered this huge Norm Violation only superficially.

Trump could say "Freshly cut grass smells nice" and the media would make a smear out of it.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Obama was actually able to grasp the details and handle himself in front of the press.

This is 180 degree wrong. The press giving a break to every sin of Obama willfully sat by while our Military is smaller than it was 50 years ago, all the incursions by ISIS into every continent, China and their takeover of altols and projection of military might.

The press and Obama believed their false rhetoric just as they believed the rhetoric the press created that "Hillary has this by 3-8 points" - "shes picking out drapes". Same false observations and collusion with traitors, the press, and the president, and the democrats. These 3 put the US National Security in worse shape that it was in the Cold War.

Obama had no foreign policy - none whatsoever (save for dozens of drone strikes, and getting OBL when he had coordinates).

Look on the bright side Folks.

Imagine the alternate reality where this was a Jeb! press conference.

Better than Ambien.

Quigley says

talked sense to working people

Is that what they're now calling what Trump did to get the Presidency ?

marcus says

Is that what they're now calling what Trump did to get the Presidency ?

You bet

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Imagine the alternate reality where this was a Jeb! press conference.

Not to mention a continuation of the 4th branch of government, and of all things insidious.

marcus says

Quigley says

talked sense to working people

Is that what they're now calling what Trump did to get the Presidency ?

Funny, I would have called it: "Opportunistically riding a populist message based on simplistic anger and fear."

Why this story matters is that typically, after a scandal pushes a cabinet member out, you would want your replacement to be willing to take the role before you ever let it be known you considered them for the role.

The story right now, incase people haven't noticed, is that the administration is beset by conflict, disorganization, and instability. Harward's decision is apparent confirmation of that narrative.

When will Trump be able to turn this back toward policy and competency? Maybe the new communication director helps?

(popcorn and giggles while we wait)

PCGyver says

So you are saying Trump likes to stab people in the back?

I think Ironman believes there are insidious Obama leftover forces trying to take down every Trump appointee possible.

I think there are definitely establishment forces looking for opportunities. There is no great allegiance to Trump. Trump isn't a bridge builder. He isn't a coalition and faith creator. He has proven to slander and attack anything of opportunity to elevate the myth that he actually has any validity being the President at all. (Edit: validity is the wrong word choice, competency is more true, but I'm overusing the term. Synonym hunting I go.)

Watch as he runs toward trying to stoke the fervor in his diminishing supportive base now.

Remember, 306 electoral college votes. (yawn) What now Mr. President? You won it. Let's see if you can drive it. So far, defeats all around, and other countries are not quaking in fear, they are taking advantage of our weakness.

Rew says

The story right now, incase people haven't noticed, is that the administration is beset by conflict, disorganization, and instability. Harward's decision is apparent confirmation of that narrative.

That's the narrative for sure. I think Scott Adams predicted this before it happened. "Chaos".

Let's review the narrative so far:

Are you trying to say that a thing and its opposite cannot simultaneously be true?

That's patriarchal logic!
My wife believes two mutually conflicting and exclusive things all the time: mostly involving why something I did was wrong until we find out it was actually her.
All the women in my life have demonstrated this superpower that mere mortal and logical men lack. It has something to do with 'feelings'.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Ah, incompetent now. No more Hitler? Or is it Incompetent anti-semitic misogynist Hitler Russian-Puppet?

How did Obama's insistence that Bibi stop settlements for months - which he did beyond the period Obama requested - help the Peace Process? What was the result?

What? Settlement building clearly hinders any potential peace process, so... And as I said, I don't recall Obama walking back a several decades long US foreign policy in a couple of befuddled sentences unlike Trump. If Obama had done that, the press would have obviously pulled him up on it.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Then, as a parting gesture, against the platform of BOTH Dem and Rep parties, in the last days of his office, colluded with the Palestinians not to veto a one-sided anti-Israel UN resolution for the first time in 50 years. The media covered this huge Norm Violation only superficially.

The US abstains from a motion condemning Israeli settlement building, a motion which was supported by every single other member of the Security Council. That isn't changing what the US government had demanded, that is finally standing up for what it had been demanding all along whilst not being mealy-mouthed about it anymore by never voting against Israel. And that abstention, by the way, got a huge amount of coverage.

jazz music says

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks now if you want to point the finger at 24kt trash look at viralliberty.com wow. --it's like some overly aggressive porno site.

Hmmm, nice formatting.

But the content does look calculated to whip up the right. Not about free speech.

Tim Aurora says

Testing if my postings are visable

They are, unfortunately...

Believe it or not, this is a perfectly civil post, because it does not attack any other patrick.net users personally.

I have 20 cases of this stuff if anybody's interested. Everything is in date...

Not to worry. I've flagged the above as 'ad hominem'...

rando says

Believe it or not, this is a perfectly civil post, because it does not attack any other patrick.net users personally

I believe it AF is good that way masterfully mixing the pejorative with the sesquipedalia

indigenous says

sesquipedalia

You got me, had to look it up:

sesquipedalia
n. a very long word (a foot and a half long)

Hater says

He'll never get the republican nomination!

well done!

I'd rather impeach all other clowns in government who are screwing us all so much every year.

At least Trump is on our side.

Those government assholes on the other hand got modern day slavery going full speed. Cheap labor from overseas, cheap illegals, prison labor... all just to replace American workers and fuck us all over so they can make bigger profits. Unpatriotic criminals!

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Polls: 46 Percent of Americans Now Want to Impeach PRECEDENT FUCKFACE von CLOWNSTICK

Polls: 80% of americans are going to vote for Hillary for president.

This is not news. 46% of population either lives off a government check or has a union doing all their work for them.