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CBOEtrader says

Our broad surveillance net needs a public backlash.

Continued Islamic murder of random Americans will ensure that the government will maintain nearly unlimited power to monitor everyone. And then the government will use that info for political purposes, of course. It's a pretty elegant system in a way, making terrorism useful to government.

But Trump is a wild card. He may well blow the cover off of massive public surveillance programs we have not even heard about yet. He cannot be counted on to play along or to shut the fuck up. Kind of amazing that our owners have not managed to get rid of him yet.

www.youtube.com/embed/RyQ1RoEotPk

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

Trump/ Russia is the story of treason. Leaking is a side story/distraction.

False equivalence. A felony leak occurred. The only question is who leaked? We also know Trump associates were unmasked in most uniquely biased circumstances, which deserves an investigation.

Trump/Russia is a conspiracy theory w no hard evidence. This is a distinct and obvious difference to anyone but the most partisan.

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

Zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

https://patrick.net/1304704/2017-04-04-problem-isnt-russian-meddling-in-our-election-the-problem-is-that-somebody-revealed-russian-meddling-in-our-election

Yawn.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rices-alleged-unmasking-requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html

We can all find our articles and "experts" who project their narrative on ambiguous evidence. At this point, either the Obama admin had hard evidence of Trump admin being a potential criminal threat to national security, or Rice broke the law.

All we now for certain is that a felony leak occurred. This leak does indeed look like a targeted political attack on Trump though. This is a potentially huge political scandal.

I own a Vanguard index fund and it does seem to track the S&P 500 pretty well, though not exactly:

rando says

True. The opposition party (which is indeed the MSM) still has nothing.

But they don't care. What they really care about is the perception that there is something there

Like Obama being born in kenya? I wonder what orange person spent years harping that story?

CBOEtrader says

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rices-alleged-unmasking-requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html

We can all find our articles and "experts" who project their narrative on ambiguous evidence.

An army lt colonel is fox's expert? Seriously? Lt colonels aren't even water boys at this level of intelligence. Why didn't they ask the mail room boy also?

CBOEtrader says

Rice broke the law.

Which statute makes it illegal for the NSA to read intelligence reports and ask for the names to be unmasked? Just post the relevant section, not the entire statute.

Because trump says so doesn't count.

Tim Aurora says

You do not have a case

LOL! There is no case!

No Russian Conspiracy Theorist on this board has yet answered the question:

Why hasn't the DNC Turned over the Server for Forensic Examination by the country's counter-intelligence and Cybersecurity Agencies, backed by the best Cybersecurity Contractors, and their employees, in the world?

"The Russians hacked the election."
"What does that mean."
"uhh, umm... RT and Sputnik"
"Almost nobody, relative to the other major media outlets, watches that. And Der Spiegel, BBC, The Guardian, Le Monde, etc. etc. all aggressively pushed Hillary and have more reach. Too say nothing of the overwhelmingly negative coverage by almost every domestic outlet from ABC to NYT to MSNBC to WaPo"
"well I mean the DNC hack."
"Great, pressure the DNC over the server to the Government for Forensics and let's see if we can find a smoking gun."
"Well, uh, I oh, ummmm."

You know damn well why the DNC won't turn it over. There's probably a ton of shit on there that isn't on the up and up, Creamer Style, that could be recovered (even inadvertently. The DNC themselves don't trust the FBI, and they know already there isn't any conclusive evidence. They want to use "Russia done hacked the election" as a political club, the last thing they want to do is conclusively establish that the evidence is either inconclusive or even non-existent in an official investigation.

Yup.

The Russians hacked the election means that they hacked the DNC and Clinton campaign computers and disseminated the information at the most strategic time. It also may mean that Russia employed a group of people to invent fake news and see how best to spread it on Facebook. The first part is a major problem. The second part, well, that's kind of our own dam fault. It wasn't just Russia doing that either. It turned out to be an easy way for lots of people to make easy money. It turned out that the pro Trump anti Hillary stories were shared more than the reverse, so those made up a larger part of the business.

YesYNot says

The Russians hacked the election means that they hacked the DNC and Clinton campaign computers and disseminated the information at the most strategic time.

Evidence? The most strategic time would have been September-November, not the middle of the summer.

True or False: The DNC emails resulted in the resignation of the DNC Chair for overwhelming bias for one nominee, and further revelations resulted in her replacement resigning for leaking Debate Questions in advance to only one of the party's candidates.

Love how the Media and the Democrats are focused on the remote possibility the DNC hacks were Russian, not on the ethics of such behavior and concentrating on Party Reform.

Also, please explain why the DNC isn't turning over their server for forensic evidence by Counter-intelligence Agencies

YesYNot says

It also may mean that Russia employed a group of people to invent fake news and see how best to spread it on Facebook.

The US government has proveably done so, and not just in foreign countries. There were published contracts from the Pentagon to hire infowarriors to fight back against Iraq War skeptics and detractors, the target of influence being Americans themselves.

Also, that's not hacking, as almost everybody understands the term. And not proven.

YesYNot says

It turned out that the pro Trump anti Hillary stories were shared more than the reverse, so those made up a larger part of the business.

It's long known that conservative chain emails get shared more often, which is a similar case. This was the case long before Trump. Also, Facebook shares tend to go to people who already share similar views, like chain emails.

Nobody mentions how POTUS openly interfered in the Brexit Vote, either.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284790-nigel-farage-obama-helped-force-brexit
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/obama-brexit-wont-affect-special-relationship-224764
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-brexit-plea/479469/

Was Obama trying to "Hack" the Brexit Referendum?

Or that German Ministers, Holland, Blair all making it clear in no uncertain terms they supported Hillary - during the campaign.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-germany-idUSMTZSAPEC36LTD4ZC
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-updates-french-president-endorses-hillary-1467307987-htmlstory.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/tony-blair-hillary-clinton-endorsement-219680

Looks like B'liars will believe others after all
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-20/tony-blair-says-he-trusts-hillary-clinton-completely

And Merkel didn't endorse Hillary explicitly but praised her throughout 2016 (and vice-versa)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-06/merkel-lauds-clinton-brushes-off-trump-attacks-over-refugees

Ironman says

Yep, the RNC Convention wasn't until the end of July, where Trump was officially nominated, so he was being surveilled before he was officially the nominee.

Trump wasn't being surveilled at all. Foreign agents were.

Two possibilities to ask for the unmasking of civilians communicating with foreign agents:

- the US citizen is engaging in something illegal
- we need to know the US citizen to understand the context of what is occurring

Just appoint an independent investigation already. Administration swirling in doubt, credibility concerns, ineptitude ... and yes ... it's only been 60+ days to get here. ;)

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Nobody mentions how POTUS openly interfered in the Brexit Vote, either.

Making your voice known on the issues and for candidates is far different than giving seed money to right wing organizations, hacking emails, and running a propaganda campaign.

I don't care what Russia did. I care what Trump and his administration did. It just happens they appear to have done it with the Russians.

Rew says

giving seed money to right wing organizations

Like alt-left correct the record that spent millions arguing w people on the internet in an attempt to swing public perception?

Rew says

hacking emails,

Like what Obama did to Trump?

Rew says

and running a propaganda campaign.

Like CNN, WashPo, the DNC, and Hillary's $1.2 billion warchest?

Pot meet kettle.

Rew says

I don't care what Russia did.

Um, ok. For the record our intelligence is unsure of Russia's involvement. We basically just know they hack our shit, but cant say for sure where/what/how.

Rew says

I care what Trump and his administration did.

Our intelligence agencies surveilled every transcript of every conversation between Russia and Trump admin. They found zero evidence of any crime, no evidence of collusion. You are allowed to theorize all you want. At this point, if there were fire, we would have found some smoke. So far, nothing.

Using our intelligence overreach as a political weapon is a real crime w actual hard evidence.

Ironman says

bob2356 says

Like Obama being born in kenya?

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bob2356 says

Because trump says so doesn't count.

But if you say so, it counts, right??? It is because YOU say it is.... so sad...

Even trump has given up on this shit. Looks like you are the last one on the planet still believing it.

I didn't see where you posted the statute that Rice violated? Is that coming soon? Like everything you post, the proof will be here on the twelfth of never.

bob2356 says

Equal opportunity unbiased leakers, right? I cannot wait for the Russian leaks and document drops to begin.

That statute I believe is called: "Doing her job." That's a hard one for the Trump administration because they have no clue what theirs actually are.

YesYNot says

What comes first, the investigation or the proof?

Turning over the DNC Server to Counter Intelligence Agents. I encourage all skeptics to say:

"Until the DNC turns over the server, they aren't serious about investigating jack shit, and should STFU."

rando says

But they don't care. What they really care about is the perception that there is something there, which they can maintain with their control over mainstream headlines.

120% correct.

And there was an investigation with FISC courts that turned up nothing as well, except incidental information was leaked when to Rice and Obama deliberately unmasked the individuals before sending it to all the agencies for maximum leak opportunity and make it very difficult for the ultimate leaker to be unmasked himself.

A cynical abuse of the Patriot Act.

I've come to the conclusion now that the Anti_Trump rumor mill is simply the Legacy Media engaging in a form of clickbaiting to offset their declining readership and relevance.

The WaPo is to Trump what Jezebel is to Manspreading.

Rew says

Making your voice known on the issues and for candidates is far different than giving seed money to right wing organizations, hacking emails, and running a propaganda campaign.

Evidence?

Also, the DNC is a private group and not part of the government. If somebody hacked Open Society foundation, did they hack our election because Soros is a big player?

By the way, even if the Russians hacked the DNC, it doesn't take away from the fact that it proved what many guessed and were laughed at for:

Wasserman-Schultz "hacked" the election for Hillary, engaged in anti-Bernie strategizing, and leaked information unfriendly to Bernie to the Press.
Donna Brazille leaked debate questions in advance only to one nominee.

These are facts, and proven.

What steps are the DNC and Democrat Voters taking to ensure in future primaries, Clintonistas in leadership positions won't stack the deck and engage in underhanded activities against Nominees they don't prefer?

We had an investigation, even to the point of wiretaps on Russian Banks that involved Trump Team members, who were aggressively unmasked and the reports widely distributed on purpose within DC. The WaPo bragged about scores of reporters especially researching the Trump Campaign. He's been a public figure fo---

Oh sod it, there's no battling Cognitive Dissonance.

That's what Ivanka tells him in private: "Dad, you're just a sad old orange cunt. Mom always said so!"

In short, there's no evidence Russia hacked the election.

Whereas the DNC hacking the election is well established.

"NSA frequently eavesdrops on Americans' calls and reads their emails without any individualized warrants – exactly that which NSA defenders, including Obama, are trying to make Americans believe does not take place."

Meanwhile, on the subject of admissions, Susan Rice said she "leaked nothing to nobody." As a Stanford graduate, she knows perfectly well the double negative means she leaked something to everybody.

rando says

Lol, those same polls showed he could never be elected!

Shoddy (misused) statistics showed a very small chance. Regular statistics showed 30% chance. Things with a 30% chance of happening happen a lot. Well, actually, they happen 30% of the time. That doesn't mean that the statistics are wrong each time they happen. Do you think that the polls are another conspiracy put out by the corporate globalist deep state?

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The word did, as in the CIA did use disguised code, seems to be missing. I skipped over it some how? Want to cut and paste that part? I didn't think so since you never post anything other its true because I believe ti should be true.

About fucking time.

Here's his cover story:

Nunes said in a statement that he decided to recuse himself after “several leftwing activist groups” filed complaints with the Office of Congressional Ethics.

No doubt some idiots will lap this up and blame the 'libruls'. They won't even realize that if this excuse were true it would mean that Nunes is a total pussy who lets his actions be controlled by fringe activist groups. Why would anybody who does that be fit for public office?

@Patrick, you need to bring back the spam button.

Why use euphemisms like "wikileaks"? FSB is shorter and easier to type.

He came in half a Honkey and left a Real Nigga with a fucked up attitude.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

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The polls are rigged. Trump is doing great with the women and others. Let me tell you, no one likes Trump like women. He is hugely popular with them. He's going to make pussy grabbing great again and put women back to work -- in the kitchen. He's going to bring back the homemaker jobs. He has huge experience in real estate. No one knows homemaking better than him. You are going to get more homemakers, better homemakers, and Mexico will pay for it. Don't listen to the media. They are the enemy.

jazz music says

Strategist says

Everyone is equal in America and has the equal protection of the law.

A lot of people sacrificed to make America as equal as it is today and there is still brutal horrific oppression from a dirty filthy racket some madman decided to call "justice" from enforcement to prosecution, to incarceration: sickening and shameless.

You seriously do not understand very much for someone who sports a rusty badge for an avatar.

Civil oversight is the only solution at this point and not over just enforcement but over all of the rotten system which considers itself to be like a god.

Fear of the electorate did not merely leave the federal level, but our unfortunate distraction into consumerism has left EVEN local to officials carve out this sociopath-god mafia-like world for themselves.

And here you come along fronting off like you think nobody else notice...

Look Jazz, you may have suffered some injustice at the hands of the law. If so, i'm sorry, but don't blame the whole system for the wrong actions of a few. We have an evolving system that provides more and more justice and equality for all. Be happy you weren't raised in the middle of Africa.

Dan8267 says

@Patrick, you need to bring back the spam button.

NO! WE ARE ALL SPAMMERS NOW!

I think Trump should find out who's behind it now that he's expressed outrage.

Maybe Jesus is coming back soon, and he's going to clear some Hindus out of the way before touch down.

Send some heat my way-expecting snow tonight.

Quigley says

That's an oddly specific statement about child rape. Sounds like it stems from firsthand knowledge. It's certainly not funny, and I have a dismal view of anyone who would find child rape anything to laugh about.

You are either saying trump voters are all children or that you've never lived any good old boy places where people call everyone under 70 son. It was a culturally appropriate reference that the average trump voter would easily understand. The question is why you didn't get it.

maybe if i tithe to the DNC it will cool down some...

The British Empire soldiers had to march through India at night to avoid the sweltering heat.
This passage and page before it, goes into great detail about Heat during the British Empire in India.

https://books.google.com/books?id=VgYUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=British+Empire+heat+in+India&source=bl&ots=_yhbalSTXt&sig=ml_1-FwZ0eH4CqTw47TVCrGOtEg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio4eKjv5DTAhWGPCYKHWfmBUwQ6AEIWjAQ#v=onepage&q=British%20Empire%20heat%20in%20India&f=false

jazz music says

Trump will not be allowed to appoint any judges because this is his last year in office

You're going to need a LOT of fucking Snicker Bars while you wait for that to come true.

Sticks and stones may break bones and keep people from attending Trump rallies(for now).
But names will never hurt me.

I remember in the 70's reports of people that died during our Heatwaves were in mid 30's just in July.
We would lose at least a couple hundred every year.
Then we'd lose a few dozen during the great Winter Blizzards.
We would have been so screwed had Carter called it Global Warming.