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Yup.

The Russians hacked the election means that they hacked the DNC and Clinton campaign computers and disseminated the information at the most strategic time. It also may mean that Russia employed a group of people to invent fake news and see how best to spread it on Facebook. The first part is a major problem. The second part, well, that's kind of our own dam fault. It wasn't just Russia doing that either. It turned out to be an easy way for lots of people to make easy money. It turned out that the pro Trump anti Hillary stories were shared more than the reverse, so those made up a larger part of the business.

YesYNot says

The Russians hacked the election means that they hacked the DNC and Clinton campaign computers and disseminated the information at the most strategic time.

Evidence? The most strategic time would have been September-November, not the middle of the summer.

True or False: The DNC emails resulted in the resignation of the DNC Chair for overwhelming bias for one nominee, and further revelations resulted in her replacement resigning for leaking Debate Questions in advance to only one of the party's candidates.

Love how the Media and the Democrats are focused on the remote possibility the DNC hacks were Russian, not on the ethics of such behavior and concentrating on Party Reform.

Also, please explain why the DNC isn't turning over their server for forensic evidence by Counter-intelligence Agencies

YesYNot says

It also may mean that Russia employed a group of people to invent fake news and see how best to spread it on Facebook.

The US government has proveably done so, and not just in foreign countries. There were published contracts from the Pentagon to hire infowarriors to fight back against Iraq War skeptics and detractors, the target of influence being Americans themselves.

Also, that's not hacking, as almost everybody understands the term. And not proven.

YesYNot says

It turned out that the pro Trump anti Hillary stories were shared more than the reverse, so those made up a larger part of the business.

It's long known that conservative chain emails get shared more often, which is a similar case. This was the case long before Trump. Also, Facebook shares tend to go to people who already share similar views, like chain emails.

Nobody mentions how POTUS openly interfered in the Brexit Vote, either.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284790-nigel-farage-obama-helped-force-brexit
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/obama-brexit-wont-affect-special-relationship-224764
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-brexit-plea/479469/

Was Obama trying to "Hack" the Brexit Referendum?

Or that German Ministers, Holland, Blair all making it clear in no uncertain terms they supported Hillary - during the campaign.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-germany-idUSMTZSAPEC36LTD4ZC
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-updates-french-president-endorses-hillary-1467307987-htmlstory.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/tony-blair-hillary-clinton-endorsement-219680

Looks like B'liars will believe others after all
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-20/tony-blair-says-he-trusts-hillary-clinton-completely

And Merkel didn't endorse Hillary explicitly but praised her throughout 2016 (and vice-versa)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-06/merkel-lauds-clinton-brushes-off-trump-attacks-over-refugees

Ironman says

Yep, the RNC Convention wasn't until the end of July, where Trump was officially nominated, so he was being surveilled before he was officially the nominee.

Trump wasn't being surveilled at all. Foreign agents were.

Two possibilities to ask for the unmasking of civilians communicating with foreign agents:

- the US citizen is engaging in something illegal
- we need to know the US citizen to understand the context of what is occurring

Just appoint an independent investigation already. Administration swirling in doubt, credibility concerns, ineptitude ... and yes ... it's only been 60+ days to get here. ;)

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Nobody mentions how POTUS openly interfered in the Brexit Vote, either.

Making your voice known on the issues and for candidates is far different than giving seed money to right wing organizations, hacking emails, and running a propaganda campaign.

I don't care what Russia did. I care what Trump and his administration did. It just happens they appear to have done it with the Russians.

Rew says

giving seed money to right wing organizations

Like alt-left correct the record that spent millions arguing w people on the internet in an attempt to swing public perception?

Rew says

hacking emails,

Like what Obama did to Trump?

Rew says

and running a propaganda campaign.

Like CNN, WashPo, the DNC, and Hillary's $1.2 billion warchest?

Pot meet kettle.

Rew says

I don't care what Russia did.

Um, ok. For the record our intelligence is unsure of Russia's involvement. We basically just know they hack our shit, but cant say for sure where/what/how.

Rew says

I care what Trump and his administration did.

Our intelligence agencies surveilled every transcript of every conversation between Russia and Trump admin. They found zero evidence of any crime, no evidence of collusion. You are allowed to theorize all you want. At this point, if there were fire, we would have found some smoke. So far, nothing.

Using our intelligence overreach as a political weapon is a real crime w actual hard evidence.

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bob2356 says

Like Obama being born in kenya?

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bob2356 says

Because trump says so doesn't count.

But if you say so, it counts, right??? It is because YOU say it is.... so sad...

Even trump has given up on this shit. Looks like you are the last one on the planet still believing it.

I didn't see where you posted the statute that Rice violated? Is that coming soon? Like everything you post, the proof will be here on the twelfth of never.

bob2356 says

Equal opportunity unbiased leakers, right? I cannot wait for the Russian leaks and document drops to begin.

That statute I believe is called: "Doing her job." That's a hard one for the Trump administration because they have no clue what theirs actually are.

YesYNot says

What comes first, the investigation or the proof?

Turning over the DNC Server to Counter Intelligence Agents. I encourage all skeptics to say:

"Until the DNC turns over the server, they aren't serious about investigating jack shit, and should STFU."

rando says

But they don't care. What they really care about is the perception that there is something there, which they can maintain with their control over mainstream headlines.

120% correct.

And there was an investigation with FISC courts that turned up nothing as well, except incidental information was leaked when to Rice and Obama deliberately unmasked the individuals before sending it to all the agencies for maximum leak opportunity and make it very difficult for the ultimate leaker to be unmasked himself.

A cynical abuse of the Patriot Act.

I've come to the conclusion now that the Anti_Trump rumor mill is simply the Legacy Media engaging in a form of clickbaiting to offset their declining readership and relevance.

The WaPo is to Trump what Jezebel is to Manspreading.

Rew says

Making your voice known on the issues and for candidates is far different than giving seed money to right wing organizations, hacking emails, and running a propaganda campaign.

Evidence?

Also, the DNC is a private group and not part of the government. If somebody hacked Open Society foundation, did they hack our election because Soros is a big player?

By the way, even if the Russians hacked the DNC, it doesn't take away from the fact that it proved what many guessed and were laughed at for:

Wasserman-Schultz "hacked" the election for Hillary, engaged in anti-Bernie strategizing, and leaked information unfriendly to Bernie to the Press.
Donna Brazille leaked debate questions in advance only to one nominee.

These are facts, and proven.

What steps are the DNC and Democrat Voters taking to ensure in future primaries, Clintonistas in leadership positions won't stack the deck and engage in underhanded activities against Nominees they don't prefer?

We had an investigation, even to the point of wiretaps on Russian Banks that involved Trump Team members, who were aggressively unmasked and the reports widely distributed on purpose within DC. The WaPo bragged about scores of reporters especially researching the Trump Campaign. He's been a public figure fo---

Oh sod it, there's no battling Cognitive Dissonance.

That's what Ivanka tells him in private: "Dad, you're just a sad old orange cunt. Mom always said so!"

In short, there's no evidence Russia hacked the election.

Whereas the DNC hacking the election is well established.

"NSA frequently eavesdrops on Americans' calls and reads their emails without any individualized warrants – exactly that which NSA defenders, including Obama, are trying to make Americans believe does not take place."

Meanwhile, on the subject of admissions, Susan Rice said she "leaked nothing to nobody." As a Stanford graduate, she knows perfectly well the double negative means she leaked something to everybody.

rando says

Lol, those same polls showed he could never be elected!

Shoddy (misused) statistics showed a very small chance. Regular statistics showed 30% chance. Things with a 30% chance of happening happen a lot. Well, actually, they happen 30% of the time. That doesn't mean that the statistics are wrong each time they happen. Do you think that the polls are another conspiracy put out by the corporate globalist deep state?

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The word did, as in the CIA did use disguised code, seems to be missing. I skipped over it some how? Want to cut and paste that part? I didn't think so since you never post anything other its true because I believe ti should be true.

About fucking time.

Here's his cover story:

Nunes said in a statement that he decided to recuse himself after “several leftwing activist groups” filed complaints with the Office of Congressional Ethics.

No doubt some idiots will lap this up and blame the 'libruls'. They won't even realize that if this excuse were true it would mean that Nunes is a total pussy who lets his actions be controlled by fringe activist groups. Why would anybody who does that be fit for public office?

@Patrick, you need to bring back the spam button.

Why use euphemisms like "wikileaks"? FSB is shorter and easier to type.

He came in half a Honkey and left a Real Nigga with a fucked up attitude.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

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The polls are rigged. Trump is doing great with the women and others. Let me tell you, no one likes Trump like women. He is hugely popular with them. He's going to make pussy grabbing great again and put women back to work -- in the kitchen. He's going to bring back the homemaker jobs. He has huge experience in real estate. No one knows homemaking better than him. You are going to get more homemakers, better homemakers, and Mexico will pay for it. Don't listen to the media. They are the enemy.

jazz music says

Strategist says

Everyone is equal in America and has the equal protection of the law.

A lot of people sacrificed to make America as equal as it is today and there is still brutal horrific oppression from a dirty filthy racket some madman decided to call "justice" from enforcement to prosecution, to incarceration: sickening and shameless.

You seriously do not understand very much for someone who sports a rusty badge for an avatar.

Civil oversight is the only solution at this point and not over just enforcement but over all of the rotten system which considers itself to be like a god.

Fear of the electorate did not merely leave the federal level, but our unfortunate distraction into consumerism has left EVEN local to officials carve out this sociopath-god mafia-like world for themselves.

And here you come along fronting off like you think nobody else notice...

Look Jazz, you may have suffered some injustice at the hands of the law. If so, i'm sorry, but don't blame the whole system for the wrong actions of a few. We have an evolving system that provides more and more justice and equality for all. Be happy you weren't raised in the middle of Africa.

Dan8267 says

@Patrick, you need to bring back the spam button.

NO! WE ARE ALL SPAMMERS NOW!

I think Trump should find out who's behind it now that he's expressed outrage.

Maybe Jesus is coming back soon, and he's going to clear some Hindus out of the way before touch down.

Send some heat my way-expecting snow tonight.

Quigley says

That's an oddly specific statement about child rape. Sounds like it stems from firsthand knowledge. It's certainly not funny, and I have a dismal view of anyone who would find child rape anything to laugh about.

You are either saying trump voters are all children or that you've never lived any good old boy places where people call everyone under 70 son. It was a culturally appropriate reference that the average trump voter would easily understand. The question is why you didn't get it.

maybe if i tithe to the DNC it will cool down some...

The British Empire soldiers had to march through India at night to avoid the sweltering heat.
This passage and page before it, goes into great detail about Heat during the British Empire in India.

https://books.google.com/books?id=VgYUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=British+Empire+heat+in+India&source=bl&ots=_yhbalSTXt&sig=ml_1-FwZ0eH4CqTw47TVCrGOtEg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio4eKjv5DTAhWGPCYKHWfmBUwQ6AEIWjAQ#v=onepage&q=British%20Empire%20heat%20in%20India&f=false

jazz music says

Trump will not be allowed to appoint any judges because this is his last year in office

You're going to need a LOT of fucking Snicker Bars while you wait for that to come true.

Sticks and stones may break bones and keep people from attending Trump rallies(for now).
But names will never hurt me.

I remember in the 70's reports of people that died during our Heatwaves were in mid 30's just in July.
We would lose at least a couple hundred every year.
Then we'd lose a few dozen during the great Winter Blizzards.
We would have been so screwed had Carter called it Global Warming.

YesYNot says

rando says

Lol, those same polls showed he could never be elected!

Shoddy (misused) statistics showed a very small chance. Regular statistics showed 30% chance. Things with a 30% chance of happening happen a lot. Well, actually, they happen 30% of the time. That doesn't mean that the statistics are wrong each time they happen. Do you think that the polls are another conspiracy put out by the corporate globalist deep state?

Yes he does. So does thunderlips. They very devoutly believe that.

They certainly have it tough in India! I wouldn't want to live there. I grew up in Eastern Europe. Tough winters, hot humid summers. Occasionally hotter and colder. Nothing really change there since. Same stuff happening.

But I agree global warming is a big problem.

I'm just saying he went in an Isley Brother came out full hard core NWABA.
Face it you're not a Black Icon with street cred in this country until you advocate shooting the PoPo.

rando says

Two?

I had the same thought. The reality is that it is hard to classify deaths as due to the heat wave or other things. Obviously with 1e9 people, on the order of 1e7 people die each year or on the order of 30K die each day. A lot of these are older people who die of heart attack, stroke, etc. It's hard to directly tie heat to these things. This is one reason that it's hard to compare death classifications between countries. I've read that we are more likely to classify a death as due to heart disease than France. This can mislead people who are comparing heart disease between the countries. I would guess that this heat took out a lot more than 2 people, but we don't know how many.

Dan8267 says

put women back to work -- in the kitchen.

I thought they were all going to work in daddy's office calming him down when things get tense.

jazz music says

As most Americans are so easily distracted by being over-worked, struggling to secure a livelihood by leveraging what they can to improve their education vocational skills to make up for the drying up of OJT, AND consumering too, the entire system got piggy. Not just the federal government which is widely bemoaned even by talk radio bullies, but LOCAL GOVERNMENT TOO, especially the money-making parts of it like the ENFORCEMENT gravy train, which includes of course PROSECUTION, JUDGEMENT, and INCARCERATION.

ALL OF THIS SHIT IS IN DIRE NEED OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.

You are so full of shit, it does not even shock me anymore.
Your narrow view of America is that of someone who only knows a life of crime in the inner cities. There is more to America than the inner cities. Most Americans are middle class, suburban dwellers. Take the example of Irvine, Ca......a safe, upper middle class, well educated, professional population that seldom have problems with the law. I would consider myself as an upper class suburban dweller. My last crime was a fucking parking ticket almost 10 years ago. I don't live in Irvine, but why can't most people live in a middle class city, and just obey the law? It's not hard.
You go on and on about how America dealt you a bad hand, how horrible our system is, and how it's everyone else's fault for your situation. Stop whining.

jazz music says

Ironman says

You forgot to add, also from Kenya.

Yeah he aint from Kenya his brother said he's too House for that. Obama avoided his Kenyan brother like Clinton avoided his Black Son.

jazz music says

You, you, you, you THINK you are so rich, your OPINION OF YOURSELF is that YOU are successful. heheheh.

I think i'm middle class. To you that might be really rich. he he he.

jazz music says

You baited me into talking about myself, and I saw that and sidestepped you, and then you attack me as if I ever did say one thing about my own life.

I have no intention of trying to bait you. It's your paranoia. The whole system is out to get you.

jazz music says

On second thought you should stay checked out because the reason why so many less people cannot live in decent homes any more is because there are too many people like you that want to get money for nothing, more and more all the time, jobs compensate less, jobs go offshore, jobs are short term, less stability, real estate goes out of reach, never ending wars that congress has no control over, oppression of countries with resources, bases and administrations that prefer to deal with other banks and oil companies.

There you go again. A hundred million people live in decent homes. Most of them worked for their living. I never ever took a single day of unemployment even though I was unemployed at times, because I took up temporary jobs before i got the right one. My first job as a teenager was 2 hours 45 minutes away one way, in the dead of cold winter. Not once did I whine, because whining is for losers.

jazz music says

Every fucking human need stands opposed by a monster class of investors that want more money for nothing and the only wages that are not trending to zero are those paid for betrayal of the electorate and working families all over the world.

The problem is that a limit needs to be set and shareholders don't like it. Should we continue to coddle them or regulate them?

I think we should stop blaming others for our misfortunes.