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Ah shit. I will look.

Ban seems to work correctly when I test it.

Do you have some example of Ironman posting in a non-thunderdome thread of yours?

Thunderdome threads are anything-goes, including allowing otherwise banned users.

You know, PatNet would be tens times as popular if piggy were banned altogether. Just think of all the people who read his shit and say "fuck this, I'm out of here".

Ironman says

Are you saying the Federal Reserve lies?

No. I'm saying that the chart should not have had 'student loans' written in bold text across the chart, because it's not total student loans.

I don't know what the chart is that you posted, but I would guess it is student loan debt owned by the government. It's probably the direct result of people refinancing private loans with dept of ed loans to take advantage of some federal programs. In any case, it's clear that someone just looked for a way to make things look much worse than they are to further a bogus narrative. It's fake news.

Here's the chart that comes up when you browse consumer credit.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/categories/101

Is printing the truth now considered being "negative"?

It's clear that Paul Ryan is a generic Neoliberal Globalist Toad.

The obstacles aren't Trump, and not the outnumbered Democrats, but Cuckservatives in the House and Senate.

Recall his ass, and/or the House votes no confidence in the Speaker.

Better to lose the seat to a first Term Democrat than to keep Ryan in place.

Ironman says

Is that better or worse under Obama??

Do you know what is being plotted there? Do you think it is total student loans?

Anyone who has ever read one of piggy's posts appreciates it when someone ridicules piggy as he deserves to be.

Too much personal identity is tied up in Trump support to ever really have a rational discussion here. The conversation is hyper-rational. Criticisms leveled are shrugged off, not on the basis of merit, but because the people leveling them are obviously not part of the "in-group" of Trump support.

We wrongly think reason can reach the zealot.

Ironman says

Does that chart measure a "better" situation?

This might come as a surprise to you, but the judgement about what is better depends on what is being measured.

Why don't you admit that wherever you got that plot from is fake news? If it's not fake news, why don't you write to them to state that their graph is labeled incorrectly, and is therefore misleading?

The people saying:
"Trump is a dangerous fascist who must be stopped!"

Are the same people saying:
"Trump has accomplished nothing in his first 100 days!"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ironman says

they STILL haven't figure it out yet that oversampling just makes them (and the DEM party) look like idiots:

Actually they account for imperfections in their methodology by giving it a 3.5% margin of error. The margin of error would be way way smaller for a sample of that size if they knew it was a good SRS.

Ironman says

among a random national sample of 1,004 adults. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 31-24-36 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents."

On November 4, 2016, Hillary Clinton led the popular vote polls by 3.3%. The average polling error since 1968 is plus or minus 2%. So, the expected range was a Clinton victory by 1.3 to 5.3%.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/

The final tally was a Clinton victory by 2%. So, the polls were off by 1.3%, which is less than the historical average.

These are facts. Anybody can look them up. Why is anybody still arguing that the polls were biased against Trump? Ironman, you are making the same arguments now that you made last November, even after the election proved that the polls were not biased and that you were wrong.

You boys whining too much lately. Take it slow, it's only been 100 days give a few. You got 7.8 more years to enjoy this

ipig says

Quigley says

Now I understand the reason this is a Thunderdome thread. You don't wish to counter opposing viewpoints with logic or reasoned argument. You want to shout them down with blatant ad hominem attacks!


Wanker!

No.

The little cowardly shithead PeopleUnited blocked me from posting in his thread. This happened AFTER he addressed me in an argument so I couldn't respond back.

THEN the little cowardly shithead PeopleUnited went to a different thread, and this thread for that matter, so he could engage me in a different argument.

Anyway they aren't blatant ad hominem attacks. They are accurate descriptions. He is literally a little cowardly shithead.

@Quigley is right, ipig is a bloody wanker. He is so butt hurt that he can't post his ad hominem bullshit to one measly thread anymore that he pulls down his pants and shits on his own thread like a stubborn 2 year old. Perhaps ipig was banned because his primary and customary contributions to the thread were lies, false accusations and name calling. The funny thing is that when he was banned from doing so he vandalized his own thread so that he could continue to throw his feces like the frightened little orangutan that he is. False accusations, lies and personal attacks are what ipigs do. And this thread is his personal pigpen. No wonder it stinks.

Oh, and I stand by my comment posted before ipig thunderdomed it and created this shit sandwich of a thread.
PeopleUnited says

He isn't her. And that is the point isn't it? When you start to let that sink in you can start to get over it. You want to blame Trump for the mess we are in. It's time you acknowledge how much Obama and Clinton and the rest of the Democrats are to blame for the Trump presidency.

anonymous says

You got 7.8 more years to enjoy this

So do you. How do you like your comedy? I hope its dark, very dark.

We are just starting the realignment process to get America back on track. Gonna take time before Obamas failed policies reversed and it trickles down.

executive that doesn't give a fuck about political correctness.

Scotus that will defend the 2nd

Politician who isn't going to run around screaming that whites oppress everyone and should live in shame.

Someone who understands business and not food stamp king like Hillary/Obama and commie Bernie.

We got a freedom president. America will be great again

Ironman says

Exactly... we try to teach you something, but your mind is like a steel trap, closed and locked behind the "Blue" door. Ever hear the saying, "A mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open". You should try opening your "parachute", you'd be amazed what you'll learn.

Show me any instance on these forums of you exhibiting that you changed your mind, took in new information, and said thank you to the information presented by another ... then I can take this advice from you.

I've had at least two, if not three, instances of this myself here on Pnet.

Edit: see above. YesYNot is giving you a nice opportunity to do exactly this ... unless you wish to further clarify your stance.

So basically, identity politics and platitudes, that actually have no true substantive gain for America. Trump stands for nothing.

Ironman says

Why are these polls always heavily skewed towards Dems, when the true makeup in the country is almost equal now?

Only if 31% of the population is equal to 29%. If we figure in independents with 48% of independents identifying Dem and 39% of independents identifying Repub, the picture is even more stark. Both parties are in deep doo-doo though as antiestablishment Independents are on the rise.

Ironman says

How did that Electoral College prediction work out?

It worked out within the margin of error, and 538 was closer than almost anyone else. Their model was darn good.

Rew says

Trump stands for nothing.

People with big ideas and moral high grounds keep drafting horrible legislation that screws up the country. Time for someone with none of that who just wants to make all the broke shit work again. There's no bigger plague upon the land than an intellectual with an axe to grind and power to make his fantasies reality.

Fascism is being prevented by the Deep State. God bless the Deep State then!

They also fed Alex Jones the chili that made him a Trumpette conspiracy nutjob.

Ironman says

The chart was from FRED, the same place you got yours... Are you saying YOUR chart is FAKE news?

No. You know damn well that I was talking about the first chart you posted with the incorrect label written over the top. Have you figured out what is on the y axis of your Fred chart?

Sadly, existing forces seem like they are going to corrupt Trump and make him just like any other globalist president.

Ironman says

Why are these polls always heavily skewed towards Dems, when the true makeup in the country is almost equal now?

Because, of the people that claim to be independent, a majority are actually republicans (republican voters that is - who call themselves independent.

I think we all understand why. Hell, even Patrick and TPB call themselves independents. Nobody wants to associate themselves with todays republican party.

rando says

Sadly, existing forces seem like they are going to corrupt Trump and make him just like any other globalist president.

One thing I really like about Trump is that he is probably the only president in the modern era who probably would be happier if he never was elected. In fact, I believe that in the long run Trump would have personally been better of if he had never run. What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment (Nixon and everyone since).

Quigley says

Time for someone with none of that who just wants to make all the broke shit work again.

Makes sense. Instead of a politician that promises to fix all the broken stuff, we should try a self absorbed con artist who says he'll fix everything. The extra bonus is that Trump doesn't just promise believable doable stuff. He says he's going to undo 3 decades of jobs lost to slave labor in the developing world, and he's going to make America white again. He's going to cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations, while he builds up the military, and he guts environmental regulations and financial regulations.

Best of all, he upsets all the smartee pants assholes that think they're better than me !!

WEEEEeeeeeeeeeee !

Rew says

Pretty much everything coming from Occupy Democrats is a lie. Congrats on your fake news though

Gorsuch isn't a Conservative. He is a full blown Corporatist (Fascist)

And what exactly is he saving us from? This country has operated under pure Republican rule for the past four decades. The only thing you Simpletons hang on the dems is Obamacare, which is the most Republican legislation of all. Which is exactly why I've said all along that there is zero chance of Trump and his Republicans repealing it

PeopleUnited says

What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment

😳

You think Trump didn't run for personal enrichment? Fascinating.

errc says

Gorsuch isn't a Conservative. He is a full blown Corporatist (Fascist)

True.

BayArea says

PeopleUnited says

What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment

😳

You think Trump didn't run for personal enrichment? Fascinating.

I think he ran because he thought it would be easier to fix problems than it actually is. However, I think he ran to fix problems rather than for personal gain.

PeopleUnited says

BayArea says

PeopleUnited says

What he is doing as president truly is a service, unlike some who use the presidency for personal enrichment

😳

You think Trump didn't run for personal enrichment? Fascinating.

I think he ran because he thought it would be easier to fix problems than it actually is. However, I think he ran to fix problems rather than for personal gain.

Thanks for sharing.

I think he ran to promote himself and his businesses. I think he never wanted or expected to get this far. I also think that if he could snap his fingers and be out of this situation as President, he'd do it in an instant and be back to his cushy life.

And most importantly, they ALL run for personal gain first and foremost. It's the degree of that the differentiates them.

Rew says

Typical liberal behavior, where Obama takes credit for others accomplishments. Typical left.

Fort Wayne is just making a joke in response to typical left wing bs.

Per CNN, Reagn created 15.9 million jobs-Obama only 11.3 million. Now note the population difference between then and now and that is a much bigger whopper for reagan-jobs vs population. Clinton exceeded Reagan and Obama exceeded Dubya the shrub.

Lot of other factors, like wage inflation over the last two decades which has been dismal(including Bush terms) globalisation with China etc and unless you live in Middle America which has born the brunt of globalisation-but hey keep making fun of flyover coutnry and their real life dismal problems-Trump it si 2020. not becaus ehe is a genius-because the dems have become cuckoo.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/news/economy/obama-over-11-million-jobs/

BayArea says

I think he ran to promote himself and his businesses. I think he never wanted or expected to get this far. I also think that if he could snap his fingers and be out of this situation as President, he'd do it in an instant and be back to his cushy life.

And most importantly, they ALL run for personal gain first and foremost. It's the degree of that the differentiates them.

@BayArea

I agree. While it is true that Hillary, Barack, Donald, George, Bill et al... all ran for percieved personal gain, Donald is the only one of the bunch who actually has a worse lifestyle now than before he became president. It truly is a sacrifice for him to not just snap his fingers and go back to his old life. Does that make him a better president, no. But it does mean that his motives are likely more towards the sacrificial side of the spectrum than personal gain. The fact that he doesn't resign and go back to his own private jet and private life is evidence that he cares more about doing what is right than he cares about leading a cushy life.

I also agree that even he did not think he would make it this far. It isn't that he underestimated his own popularity, it is that he underestimated the UNPOPULARITY of the rest of the field. Even Obama underestimated the unpopularity of Clinton and essentially handed the election to Trump by endorsing her.

Fort Wayne is just making a joke in response to typical left wing bs meme posters.

Per CNN, Reagn created 15.9 million jobs-Obama only 11.3 million. Now note the population difference between then and now and that is a much bigger whopper for reagan-jobs vs population. Clinton exceeded Reagan and Obama exceeded Dubya the shrub.

Lot of other factors, like wage inflation over the last two decades which has been dismal(including Bush terms) globalisation with China etc and unless you live in Middle America which has born the brunt of globalisation-but hey keep making fun of flyover country and their real life dismal problems-Trump it si 2020. not because he is a genius-because the dems have become cuckoo. How did the dems move away from being the party of the common man to the party of the freaks and the 1%-looks at who the ehdge funds and globalist scum donated to this cycle

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/news/economy/obama-over-11-million-jobs/

Dan8267 says

iPig says

FortWayne says

Typical liberal behavior, where Obama takes credit for others accomplishments. Typical left.

Whose accomplishments exactly and what actions by the congress were responsible in your opinion?

You will never get an answer on this. Fort Wayne's behavioral routine is as follows.

1. Make a baseless assertion.

2. When questioned for evidence of that assertion, run and hide.

3. When shown evidence contradicting that assertion, run and hide.

4. If continued to be challenged either hide or make another baseless assertion.

5. Go to step 1.

A bot could replace Fort Wayne.

More lies, personal attacks and false accusations from Patnets two most accomplished bullshitters. #TTBS = Tag team bullshitters. #MBGA = Making Bullshit Great Again.