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Dan8267 says

Confederate battle flag is a symbol of freedom

Its a symbol of culture and states rights to some people. Others have abused it as a symbol of hate. You cant tell someone else what a silly flag symbolizes to them.

Your logic seems incomplete though. Is the US flag a symbol of hate? The US had slaves, both in the south before the civil war AND in the Union DURING THE CIVIL WAR. The US eventually outlawed slavery. The south would done the same w/o a war in due time, just like the rest of the civilized world. Are US founding fathers traitors? Is the US flag, w its history of slavery a symbol of hate? The SJW's are already pushing this silliness. Do you agree w them?

joeyjojojunior says

The South seceded to keep the right to own slaves.

JJJ starts mouthing off then...

joeyjojojunior says

OK, please detail exactly which taxes and tariffs caused the South the secede then. When they were enacted, etc.

Stops and thinks. Then...

"For 72 years, Northern special interest groups used these protective tariffs to exploit the South for their own benefit. Finally in 1861, the oppression of those import duties started the Civil War."
http://www.emarotta.com/protective-tariffs-the-primary-cause-of-the-civil-war/

And...
"He[Lincoln] acquiesced in a proposed 13th Amendment that would have guaranteed slavery into the 20th century. Later, he famously told Horace Greeley that his purpose was to save the Union, for which he would free all the slaves, some of the slaves, or none of the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation itself promised a continuance of slavery to States that would lay down their arms."
https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/clyde-wilson-library/why-the-war-was-not-about-slavery/

"Meanwhile, the U.S. Congress officially declared that the war WAS NOT AGAINST SLAVERY but to preserve the Union."
http://www.politico.com/story/2007/07/congress-declares-civil-wars-aims-july-25-1861-005095

“I hope this may not be a war of emancipation but of extermination, & that all under the influence of the foul fiend may be driven like swine into the sea. May we carry fire and sword into their states till not one habitation is left standing.”
-Ellen Ewing Sherman

JJJ, do you ever get tired of speaking before you think?

NuttBoxer says

The Emancipation Proclamation itself promised a continuance of slavery to States that would lay down their arms.

It didn't just promise, it happened. The Union allowed loyal boarder states to keep their slaves.

Actually what they'll be thinking is where is the MAGA that was promised me? All I got was a healthcare plan that is even crappier than it was under Obama, more debt, more tax breaks to rich people, etc. They'll wonder why they were suckered into voting for a snake oil salesman in populist clothes.

Where are the coal mining jobs that he was bringing back? Where are the manufacturing jobs that he promised?

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Nonsense. They'll be thinking of all the privileged White Male Mathematicians threatening them with their power and preferences being established over all of society, and how they can be good Allies in the fight against CIS-normative Hetero White Trash Male Oppression.

These Democrats/leftist are so ridiculously dense sometimes. They go out of their way to satisfy these fringe extremist and take a dump on the faces of large voting blocs.. working class whites.

This is the backwards thinking that Target's CEO used when he said males could pee in female bathrooms to satisfy the 0.0001% of people that represent the trans community in the US. A family retail store CEO saying this is the right way to go.

Like I said, pure idiocy.

Dan8267 says

Yes, but do you hold betraying England on the same level as betraying America?

Not at all. The feds betrayal of the founding principals that formed this country is the most vile, reprehensible act I have ever seen committed, 1000 times worse because it was committed against fellow Americans.

"Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization;"

-Lord Acton to General Robert E Lee

"For 72 years, Northern special interest groups used these protective tariffs to exploit the South for their own benefit. Finally in 1861, the oppression of those import duties started the Civil War."

Ah, it was a 72 year itch then, huh?

The rest of your post is a straw man. I said in my earlier post that the Union's interest was in keeping the country together. That's not it doubt.

Where you're wrong, however, is that secession was absolutely caused by the desire of the South to keep slavery. It is proven conclusively by the secession letter I posted on here previously. There can be no doubt by anyone after reading that letter.

You are 100% wrong.

Dan8267 says

Another revisionist. Come on, want to get into an evidence war with me?

You've contributed zero sources but your own mouth. And no, it's not too big to fail.

https://patrick.net/1306089/2017-05-14-so-why-is-the-south-quietly-removing-these-monuments-in-the-dead-of-night-oh-that-s-why?c=1410775#comment-1410775

"I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery."
The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.

YesYNot says

Based on the fact that the statues were designed and built to celebrate people who fought a war over state's rights to own slaves if they so wanted.

I've already quoted this article several times, written by a historian, not a newspaper. You may find your idea about the Civil War a little propogandist after reading it...
https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/clyde-wilson-library/why-the-war-was-not-about-slavery/

joeyjojojunior says

There can be no doubt

Only a fool would say this. A critical mind always leaves room for doubt

Tim Aurora says

You are six months behind. Your Russian masters have not updated you.

This is the actual "Russian" the DNC has been speaking ad nauseam about since last Summer, but refuse to talk about.

joeyjojojunior says

There are obviously a multitude of connections between Trump and Russia

There are obviously many connections between trump and the moon. Trump looked at the moon and so he knows the moon-there needs to be a special prosecutor.

NuttBoxer says

YesYNot says

Based on the fact that the statues were designed and built to celebrate people who fought a war over state's rights to own slaves if they so wanted.

I've already quoted this article several times, written by a historian, not a newspaper. You may find your idea about the Civil War a little propogandist after reading it...

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/clyde-wilson-library/why-the-war-was-not-about-slavery/

NuttBoxer just dunked in your collective SJW faces

Dan8267 says

Name one thing other than religion that I have proposed banning.

Me, and not only proposed, but done. You're an intolerant SJW Dan, just punch me in the face and get it over with...

Putin needs to honey trap Trump.

Wait, Malanoma is already in the White House, never mind.

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

We still don't know if Russia hacked the DNC.

You are six months behind. Your Russian masters have not updated you.

my statement is a fact, whereas yours is faith.

CBOEtrader says

Moreso the right to not be attacked by the north.

More the right not to be exploited by the North.

“Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power and this I and my friends are all in favor of, for slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care of the laborers, while the European plan, led on by England, is that capital shall control labor by controlling wages. The great debt that capitalists will see to it is made out of the war must be used as a means to control the volume of money.”

-Wall Street circular, late 1861

joeyjojojunior says

The rest of your post is a straw man.

This was posted 8 minutes after I provided JJJ with multiple links to articles clearly refuting his stance. Should we assume JJJ read said articles, or simply did what JJJ always does, and talked out of his ass, while ignoring the data that hammers his OPINION to smithereens.

NuttBoxer says

joeyjojojunior says

The rest of your post is a straw man.

This was posted 8 minutes after I provided JJJ with multiple links to articles clearly refuting his stance. Should we assume JJJ read said articles, or simply did what JJJ always does, and talked out of his ass, while ignoring the data that hammers his OPINION to smithereens.

JJJ also likes to add qualifiers to his opinion, like "clear" "100%" "no doubt"... this is a 100% clear admission of pure confirmation bias. No doubt

This was posted 8 minutes after I provided JJJ with multiple links to articles clearly refuting his stance. Should we assume JJJ read said articles, or simply did what JJJ always does, and talked out of his ass, while ignoring the data that hammers his OPINION to smithereens.

Your article was an opinion piece that refutes nothing. Because it's irrefutable. The states seceded over slavery. Period. Any other opinion is pure revisionist history.

I didn't talk out of my ass. I posted the actual secession letter which details why South Carolina was seceding. And surprise, surprise, it says ... because of slavery.

"JJJ also likes to add qualifiers to his opinion, like "clear" "100%" "no doubt"... this is a 100% clear admission of pure confirmation bias. No doubt"

Of course. When a state says they are seceding because of slavery, I tend to think it's clear with no doubt that they are actually seceding because of slavery.

A large part of Target's stock price reversal was due to their transgender policy. The data corroborates this.

Interesting back story on Mueller and Comey.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/18/james-comey-trump-special-prosecutor-robert-mueller-fbi-215154

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Yes you did

Oh, you want me to call your bullshit? OK. Quote and site where I advocated racial violence. If you don't, then we know you are lying like a scumbag.

You are no different than a SJW. Conservative left, conservative right, doesn't matter. Conservatives always lie. Facts don't matter. The truth doesn't matter. The ends always justify the means.

Dude you edited your post about us being slavers and the things society should do to us. Shame on you Dan. You don't even have the balls to stick to what you believe in.

They have zero political capital to work w. They wont be doing much of anything besides fighting the russian narrative. That isnt Trump's fault. As per Dennis Kucinich, this is pure deep state politcal hackery.

The 126 million voters have not demanded a new ass kicking Glass-Steagall.
I see these assholes didn't demand that the TBTF be shuttered & sold off by the FDIC & screw the stockholders.
These simpletons have not demanded transparency of their Big Govt./deep state.
They gave up America's privacy with the Patriot Act & NDAA.

So there is no misunderstanding, FUCK DEMOCRAT & REPUBLICAN VOTERS!

IOW Nobody gives a fuck...

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Why?

What did the other candidate have to say about Glass-Steagall?

Trump was NEVER going to ask for a new Glass Steagall. Anyone who believed he would do anything to reign in Wall St. is either very naïve or very dumb.

He's pretty good at getting paid without getting paid. This will not be the first suspicious real estate deal.

Holy Crap, Ryan backstabbing Trump, probably while quoting Ayn Rand as he nixed an amendment to defund a Corporate Subsidy.

Yep. It's funny, because it's true! ... Nervous laughter...
Turns out Rohrbacher is an unwitting idiot (definitely) and an unwitting agent (maybe). Also turns out that the FBI warned Rohrbacher that Russia was trying to recruit him years ago.

https://patrick.net/1306286/2017-05-18-wow-flynn-stalled-operations-to-arm-kurds-and-take-raqqa-while-taking-500k-from-turkey
https://patrick.net/1306266/2017-05-18-top-republicans-joking-back-in-june-2016-about-putin-paying-for-trump-s-campaign

How many arrows can one man fit on his fat ass?

Melanoma must have run up the charge cards again.

I also noticed the non-denial denial.

Comey's memo: Trump says that he hopes Comey can drop it.
Media reports: Trump pressured Comey to drop it (reasonable interpretation of direct quote)
Whitehouse: Trump never told Comey to stop the investigation.

Everybody told the truth! Amazing.
The thing is, if Trump and team cannot deny the contents of the memo, it most likely happened. They can cry fake news even though the facts are true. The only thing up for debate is the interpretation.

They are going to say that Obama started down the imprison journalist road by talking about charging Assange. It's pretty striking that Trump would ask for Comey to consider that. Even if he just told Comey to consider it, and he didn't direct him to do it.

YesYNot says

Comey's memo: Trump says that he hopes Comey can drop it.

Media reports: Trump pressured Comey to drop it (reasonable interpretation of direct quote)

Whitehouse: Trump never told Comey to stop the investigation.

Everybody told the truth! Amazing.

Wow, so we're good and there's no problem?

Heraclitusstudent says

Wow, so we're good and there's no problem?

The problem that the Trump sees (and that the Right sees) is that the media is fake, because it spins a fake narrative.
The problem that the left sees is that Trump is lying about what he said.
The problem that I see is that the media should report his statement and add that it could be interpreted as pressuring Comey (a subordinate) to drop the investigation. They should be more careful with their headlines.
The problem with Trump as I see it is that he cannot answer the direct question. From that I conclude that the memo is correct (otherwise, he would deny it). My interpretation of the whole thing is that Trump tried to cultivate a relationship with Comey and get him to quit the investigation of Flynn. He's not a complete moron, so he used vague language like 'I hope you can drop it' rather than commanding him to drop it. When he realized that Comey wasn't going to play ball, he fired him. Simple as that.

Heraclitusstudent says

Wow, so we're good and there's no problem?

One more point: Comey testified under oath he was never pressured by Trump

YesYNot says

Media reports: Trump pressured Comey to drop it (reasonable interpretation of direct quote)

"I hope you can drop the case against my staff."

Via Media Filter

= "LISTEN YOU DIRTY FUCKER... I WILL CAN YOUR ASS LIVE ON TV IF YOU DON'T GET IT STRAIGHT AND DON'T FUCK WITH ME... Sessions, show him the IRON MAIDEN"

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

One more point: Comey testified under oath he was never pressured by Trump

Not True. He testified that he was never told to drop an investigation by the AG or deputy AG. That was the specific hypothetical question he was answering.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Via Media Filter

= "LISTEN YOU DIRTY FUCKER... I WILL CAN YOUR ASS LIVE ON TV IF YOU DON'T GET IT STRAIGHT AND DON'T FUCK WITH ME.

Funny, because that's what he meant.

This is true, but do we need a thread to state the obvious? Also, why no like link?