patrick.net

seems like we are still stuck in this narrow trading range

On the bright side, our lights stay on!

Tim Aurora says

Another side effect is that now China and Germany become the defacto leader of the world. Take that Russians, China is now your problem

Bwahahaha. China and India weren't required to lower CO2 Emissions until 2030. And no 3rd party verification.

No thanks!

We'll just have to tax the hell out of the rich to pay for the effects of climate change.

Evergreen State College has closed for the day because of a “direct threat to campus safety.”

Everyone was asked to leave the Olympia campus or return to residence halls for instructions, the college announced shortly after 11 a.m. Thursday.

In a news conference Thursday afternoon, Evergreen officials had few details about the threat, which came from someone who called local law enforcement.

Spokesperson Sandra Kaiser said she didn’t know the specific nature of the threat, or whether it was made by someone with a connection to the college.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/evergreen-state-college-closes-campus-after-direct-threat-to-campus-safety/

Dan8267 says

We'll just have to tax the hell out of the rich to pay for the effects of climate change.

How about we tax the hell out of people who choose to live at sea level by the coast?

socal2 says

How about we tax the hell out of people who choose to live at sea level by the coast?

Because coast lines were stable for literally tens of thousands of years and it was economically wise to build our economic and trade centers along them. Hell, the weird ass shapes of the early states in the U.S. were created that way precisely because access to waterways leading to the oceans were absolutely critical for trade and economics.

Why should we punish people for doing what was wise while not punishing the fools who fucked everything up? The expense of moving our major wealth producing cities hundreds of miles will measure in the quadrillions of dollars, far more wealth than was extracted by polluting. This is why conservatives suck at running businesses and government. They can't do correct cost-benefit analysis.

Tim Aurora says

Mar-a-lago . I hope it drowns

It will, but Trump will abuse his power to ensure that the taxpayers rather than he takes the loss. He'll probably sell the property to the government for twice its value when it comes close to the time the property is going to be swallowed. And republicans will praise him as a good businessman rather then a criminal stealing from the public.

Sea walls, levees, storm pipes, storage tunnels and pumps can work wonders.

Amsterdam and Venice have managed for hundreds of years with primitive technology.

I'm sure Miami can figure some things out without having to move their entire city.

socal2 says

Sea walls, levees, storm pipes, storage tunnels and pumps can work wonders.

Tell that to New Orleans.

Tim Aurora says

Trump pulls out

Trump birth control

You are better off using the Farmers Almanac for climate prediction than the current climate models.

Dan8267 says

socal2 says

Sea walls, levees, storm pipes, storage tunnels and pumps can work wonders.

Tell that to New Orleans.

Can you say "corrupt infrastructure spending?" That's what happened in NO.

Tim Aurora says

Take that Russians, China is now your problem

Russia loves global warming!

Best thing that ever happened to them. https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/for-russia-global-warming-benefits-outweigh-negatives-3407

Unfortunately for Russia, solar looks on track to solve the global warming problem all by itself:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-03/for-cheapest-power-on-earth-look-skyward-as-coal-falls-to-solar

rocketjoe79 says

You are better off using the Farmers Almanac for climate prediction than the current climate models.

NY Times: In America’s Heartland, Discussing Climate Change Without Saying ‘Climate Change’

Here in north-central Kansas, America’s breadbasket and conservative heartland, the economic realities of agriculture make climate change a critical business issue. At the same time, politics and social pressure make frank discussion complicated. This is wheat country, and Donald J. Trump country, and though the weather is acting up, the conservative orthodoxy maintains that the science isn’t settled.

So while climate change is part of daily conversation, it gets disguised as something else.

“People are all talking about it, without talking about it,” said Miriam Horn, the author of a recent book on conservative Americans and the environment, “Rancher, Farmer, Fisherman.” “It’s become such a charged topic that there’s a navigation people do.”

CNN: Climate change is hurting U.S. corn farmers -- and your wallet

Uncertainty is growing in America's corn belt -- and Ray Gaesser is worried.

He's been harvesting corn and soybeans on his namesake Iowa farm since 1977. Now, climate change is threatening his business' future.

"We're doing the best that we can in an uncertain climate and uncertain conditions," Gaesser, 64, says. "We live and die by the weather."

Corn-producing states like Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska and Minnesota have been experiencing extreme weather for decades. Experts like Dr. Eugene Takle, a professor of climate science at Iowa State University, attribute those extremes to climate change.

In 2012, farmers struggled to cope with a severe drought that limited production and sent corn prices up. While those dry extremes are decreasing lately, there's a new weather phenomenon making trouble: Rain.

"We're getting excessive rains in the spring -- more frequent rains and more heavy rains," explains Takle.

"If we see flooding events and drought that's going to impact food production and it's also going to impact the consumers that live in those areas," Widmar says. In addition, climate change could force the corn belt to move north where its cooler.

So yes, farmers are greatly impacted by climate change, and there will be winners and losers, but overall our nation is going to lose a hell of a lot of wealth due to sea-level rise alone.

BlueSardine says

The key word being "was".

If you illiterate fucks can't keep up with an evolving world, you deserve whatever mother nature drops on your doorstep...

There's a big difference between keeping up with slow natural changes, and rapidly fucking everything up. One does poor gasoline all over a city, light a match, and then say "oh well, serves them right for living in a city covered in gasoline". That's being a traitor and a criminal.

Oh, and don't bitch when all the people from New York and California take over your state and its land.

If you think the left is intolerable now, wait until all those kale-eating hippies and social justice warriors are in Idaho, Nebraska, and Texas. A lot of red states will go blue and you'll lose that electoral college advantage you have.

And world will be fine

Closing it for a day is a good start.

I wish one could invest in Muskeg or Tundra land in Russia/Canada/North Sweden/Finland in small portions like REITs.

rando says

Russia loves global warming!

Best thing that ever happened to them. https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/for-russia-global-warming-benefits-outweigh-negatives-3407

Russian's also love it because it's a means to empower the Greens to prevent the US from developing our own oil and gas - thus keeping supply low and the price of oil high which only makes Russia richer.

If Trump was really Putin's puppet, he would not be pulling out of the Paris accord.

socal2 says

If Trump was really Putin's puppet, he would not be pulling out of the Paris accord

Did you forget--he's playing 4D chess right now. Messing with the liberals minds.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Tim Aurora says

Another side effect is that now China and Germany become the defacto leader of the world. Take that Russians, China is now your problem

Bwahahaha. China and India weren't required to lower CO2 Emissions until 2030. And no 3rd party verification.

No thanks!

That is true, but they can't lower their emissions and poverty at the same time, especially India. There are 300 million Indians, equal to the population of the US, who don't have electricity yet. The limitations for emissions assigned to each country was based on how much they have been emitting, which seems pretty fair to me.

Dan8267 says

Oh, and don't bitch when all the people from New York and California take over your state and its land.

New York, California and Washington say they'll stick to Paris deal as Trump backs out
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/01/ny-ca-and-wa-say-theyre-sticking-to-paris-deal-after-trump-backs-out.html

Dan8267 says

you think the left is intolerable now, wait until all those kale-eating hippies and social justice warriors are in Idaho, Nebraska, and Texas. A lot of red states will go blue and you'll lose that electoral college advantage you have.

Would be a good counterbalance if that came to fruition

socal2 says

Dan8267 says

We'll just have to tax the hell out of the rich to pay for the effects of climate change.

How about we tax the hell out of people who choose to live at sea level by the coast?

Why? Just tax the hell out of the polluters.

Trump is leaving Paris climate agreement even though majority of Americans in every state supported it

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/01/trump-leaves-paris-climate-agreement-though-americans-supported-it.html

Which one is the fake news?

Dow Jones +135 "Races to new Record"
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/01/investing/dow-record-trump-rally-wall-street/index.html

Musk Joins CEOs Calling for U.S. to Stay in Paris Climate Deal
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-31/musk-leads-ceos-full-court-press-on-paris-as-trump-weighs-exit

Strategist says

New York, California and Washington say they'll stick to Paris deal as Trump backs out

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/01/ny-ca-and-wa-say-theyre-sticking-to-paris-deal-after-trump-backs-out.html

Every State should give Trump the boot and stick with the Paris deal, like California, Washington, and NY.
Boycott all states that don't give Trump the boot.

Is this where we say, "Oh thank God there weren't any white people there.'

Strategist says

Why? Just tax the hell out of the polluters.

You mean people who use electricity, heat & cool their homes and drive to work?

Those polluters?

Here in California, the poorest people will be hit hardest because they can't afford to live in the nice coastal areas and need AC to cool their homes and have massive commutes to work.

Tim Aurora says

Mar-a-lago . I hope it drowns

Trump will put up a wall to prevent this.

Dan8267 says

Because coast lines were stable for literally tens of thousands of years

No, it wasn't.

Dan8267 says

We'll just have to tax the hell out of the rich to pay for the effects of climate change.

.... or die trying.

socal2 says

Strategist says

Why? Just tax the hell out of the polluters.

You mean people who use electricity, heat & cool their homes and drive to work?

Those polluters?

Here in California, the poorest people will be hit hardest because they can't afford to live in the nice coastal areas and need AC to cool their homes and have massive commutes to work.

It's an argument used frequently when it comes to taxing gasoline. I'm not sure if the argument holds water. The poorest, who are on welfare don't work anyway. The poor elderly don't work, students live by the campus. If minimum wage workers are driving long distances, they are doing something wrong. There is always a job nearby that pays minimum wages.
Utilities are heavily subsidized for the poor.
Society should take the needs of everyone into account, not just the poor.

Strategist says

The poorest, who are on welfare don't work anyway

They don't? Are you sure about that?

https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/04/13/get-a-job-most-welfare-recipients-already-have-one/

Dan8267 says

socal2 says

How about we tax the hell out of people who choose to live at sea level by the coast?

Because coast lines were stable for literally tens of thousands of years

Nitpick: "only" 10,000, not tens of thousands.

Why should we punish people for doing what was wise while not punishing the fools who fucked everything up? The expense of moving our major wealth producing cities hundreds of miles will measure in the quadrillions of dollars, far more wealth than was extracted by polluting. This is why conservatives suck at running businesses and government. They can't do correct cost-benefit analysis.

By "conservatives" I presume you mean the Oligarch-GOP and Neocons. Destroying the planet for short term gains isn't quite conservative.

This is a form of externalizing costs, or privatizing the gains, socializing the costs, risks, and losses. Very popular practice among people vocally against socialism.

Not a peep out of the governor. However, if it was anyone but whites off campus, he'd be holding press conferences and wringing his hands...

FP says

Or like majority of American kids saying that English is their language.

Yes, most American kids were mutilated, raped, tortured, and forced to adopt the ways of the European oppressor.

" And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers' breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them headfirst against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, "Boil there, you offspring of the devil!" Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim's feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim's neck, saying, "Go now, carry the message," meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them...."

http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/02-las.html

joeyjojojunior says

Strategist says

The poorest, who are on welfare don't work anyway

They don't? Are you sure about that?

https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/04/13/get-a-job-most-welfare-recipients-already-have-one/

Holy shit. I stand corrected. I revise my statement... most poor, who are on welfare don't work anyway.
I guess if you make $1,800 per month, with 6 kids, you will need welfare. These are the type of people I would respect. At least they are working, and doing their best.