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"Don’t be silly. You are unique and special because you can afford to lease a new car every year, expensive tennis shoes and a fancy cell phone."

LOL! And I must have a 3 carat tiffany cut diamond ring! And a $200,000 wedding! And a 5,000 sq. ft. McMansion on the hill! And drapes!

Punishing young people for having sex is awfully judgmental.

Perhaps. But they should at least have precautions.

Peter P,

But that's what Condom Thursday is all about!

Well, how bizarrely nerdy is it that my biggest discretionary expenditure this spring is on plants destined for other people's yard. Now that really sets me apart!

Punishing young people for having sex is awfully judgmental.

I blame the Creator (a.k.a., "Not So-Intelligent Designer").
If She/He/It/Whatever would simply delay puberty until people were older and more emotionally mature (25 maybe?) we would'nt have so many teen pregnancies. Cultural/religious values wouldn't even be a factor, biological imperative trumps all.

HARM,

I blame the Creator (a.k.a., “Not So-Intelligent Designer”).

LOL, I was gonna blame college. If people just got married out of middle school (puberty), then there would be no out of wedlock births.

@skibum,

That's a very good point. Late-onset puberty would have meant the end of the species in pre-modern times. Perhaps we can delay it today through drugs or genetic engineering. SFWoman -ideas?

Perhaps we can delay it today through drugs or genetic engineering.

We don't have to. Mind over body.

A long time ago* people did get married that early. Of course, back then you were expect to perform a given function, and you didn't need to handle any complex thinking. I have relatives who have gotten married young, but they have also settled mostly into their careers.

I think people would mature far faster if there wasn't a feeling that kids need to be protected from harsh realities until far too late. Religion doesn't seem to help, mostly since people with strong faith grounded in poor logic seem most vulnerable to the law of unintended consequences. (That's not a knock against religion, since belief should be based on faith, and logical proofs are anathema to faith. It's a knock against people who attempt to justify faith through inevitably flawed logic.)

*I'm restricting this to post-fall-of-Rome times, since before then things were much more similar to modern times.

Maybe just send all kids to single sex boarding school. More gays (as FAB mentioned) and less babies.

All these problem would have all been avoided if the Creator made us into highly spiritual and intellectual energy beings...

Instead we are hot-blooded flesh.

Peter P Mind over body.

Have you forgotten the passions of youth? They think they are indestructable. Also, puberty begins much earlier now...often at 9 years old for girls. Yikes!

Linda,

Peter was driving below the speed limit when he was 16! He comes from us but he is not us. :P

Linda,

Yuck, those soy additives really mess with young kids.

Excellent! Maybe a line for desperate specuvestors and realtors.

That would be: should I do 7 or 13?

nomatoon, I really don't know where you get your crazy ideas, but you seem to be filled with an irrational hatred and envy of California. Where do you live that you have grown to have such stange ideas about this state?

California has been growing in population, steadily for the last 50 years, at 4-5M a decade and shows no signs of slowing down.

UCLA does population projections every decade and they have been spot on since the 60s. They have California population continuing to grow until it hits 50M in 2030 and then perhaps levelling off.

No amount of media hype could possible make people want to live in North Dakota. I grew up in Wyoming and there is no reason to live there, outside of the hunting and fishing. Seven month long winters with blowing snow and below zero temperatures are just misable. North Dakota is even worse, since it has less natural beauty.

Someone was saying that Bay Area incomes were decreasing. Here are the family income stats for San Francisco County:http://patrick.net/wp/?p=208#comments

1970 - $10503
1980 - $20911
1990 - $40561
2000 - $63545
2004 - $68557

In 2004 dollars that would be:

1970 - $47958
1980 - $47961
1990 - $68515
2000 - $69676
2004 - $68557

Which does show that family incomes have been stagnant since 1990, a finding that surprised me. Per capita incomes show a similar trend.

I thought it was the chicken — they feed estrogen to the chicken so they get larger breasts…

I do not eat chicken breasts. I prefer my grilled half-chicken to have two legs.

SFWoman San Francisco has the best urban public school system in the state. Perhaps that speaks more to the poor quality of education statewide than to the high quality of San Francisco schools, but there are many very good schools at every level in San Francisco.

For elementry schools, you rank 7 schools and there is about a 90% chance you get one of them. There are 7 10/10 rated public grade schools here, but almost all of them are on the West Side, which can be quite a trek if you live in Noe Valley.

There are two middle schools that get 10/10 rating and 3 that get 9/10. The perfect scoring schools are Presidio Middle School and Yu Elementry School. I don't know the exact way that get entry into middle schools, but it has to be similar to the grade and high school ranking methods.

I can certainly understand the "snob appeal" of sending you children to private school, but in fact there are many very good public schools in San Francisco and they are available to every San Francisco resident. Most of them are on the West side though, so it can be time consuming to do the commute. In some ways this is better than making them only available to the weathly though, since a motivated Mom from Bay View could still get her kid a good education, if she was willing to spend the time doing it.

Jimbo
It's interesting but, the whole snob appeal thing just doesn't appeal to me at all. My son went to a public elementary school where there were more snooty people than at his private middle school. We were looking for a wholesome peer group and good values. Some private schools in LA are known for their snob appeal because of their celebrity clientelle and their superior attitudes. We intentionally chose not to apply there.

Jimbo

Which does show that family incomes have been stagnant since 1990, a finding that surprised me. Per capita incomes show a similar trend.

The 1990 stagnation is a combination of inflation history, the onset of widespread outsourcing, and an acceleration of wealth concentration. It is during this period that the shape of the income distribution curve started shifting to a more bi-modal distribution, and it shifted more in the Coastal states, CA being probably the most extreme. Thus the roaring-90s, during which many people experienced dramatic wage increases and wealth increases, but the stagnant median family income stat.

I am pretty sure all the High Schools in San Francisco offer AP classes, though the offering at Mission is reportedly very meagre.

The class sizes are small across the board, with the average class size being 20.

Can you tell I have been arguing with my wife about San Francisco schools?

She wants to move to the suburbs when our daughter is old enough to go and I want to stay here. Luckily that decision is still five years away.

--insert sarcasm filter

I love California because real estate only goes up, everyone is rich and beautiful, and each and every day I ride a rainbow to work, where I fill chocolate bunnies with marshmellow dreams. Money is cheap, the economy is booming, what's not to like.

--remove sarcasm filter

There is a very good reason that the schools in Bayview are not very good and there is nothing that the San Francsico school system can do about it.

No amount of resources can take a child from an acadmically impoverished environment and turn him into a scholar. Well maybe a few children, but not the bulk of them.

If people were allowed to send their kids to the neighborhood schools, you would just see everyone sort themselves out by income level, just like they did before the schools were integrated. This would be great of Pac Heights parents, but it would give the Bayview Mom no chance at all to send her kid to a good school.

Sure it is burdensome for her now, but at least she has that chance. Under your system, she would have none.

Unless you magically think of a way to make all the children above average and turn children from high risk households into super achievers, something no one anywhere has been able to do.

Having said that, if my daughter ends up entered into a bottom half public school, I would certainly make the same decision you would, and either send her to private school, or move to another school district.

I am curious, did you fill out the school pick form with all the choices when entered your daughter into grade school? Right now you have to list seven schools, but I know that number has changed.

Jimbo
I wish you and your wife much luck with that decision. I'm sure you two will make the right choices. I have found that school choice dictates much of your lifestyle thereafter. We moved into a school district when our son was 5 so that he could go to the same neighborhood public school until he graduated to middle school. He thrived and became president of that school in the 5th grade. It was a real good choice for us and our little family. :)

mmmm...marshmellow dreams.....

Jimbo,

"I am pretty sure all the High Schools in San Francisco offer AP classes, though the offering at Mission is reportedly very meagre."

Thanks for confirming this. Any school district that does not offer AP classes is shooting itself in the foot.

I don't think snob appeal is driving parents to private schools, it's the stupid rules and bureaucracy associated with even the best public schools. Also, for the most part, they can't do much against bad seeds in a class. My excellent public school teachers often complained about the restrictions that the county placed on their curriculum and dealing with disruptive students in their non-magnet classes.

I think schools in SF should offers courses that are applicable to the City's youth and their environs, for instance "budget wardrobes for the Metrosexual youth", "offered E at a Rave, what do to when your best friend is Rollin", "out of money, need to buy something, have you considered panhandling on Haight". Why not prepare our youth properly? AP? Why bother? The crown jewel of the educational system, The UC's, are being gutted or fees raised to the point where no one but the affulent can afford to go. The asspounding nature of california real estate coupled with the the following statement put on all faculty postings I've seen "women and minorities are especially encouraged to apply" have made filling University slots a crap-shoot. Why come here and do research at UCLA when Purdue offers you basically the same money and you can buy a house and have a family. After all, everyone in California is rich, everyone.

Jimbo,

Also, it doesn't take that many students to cobble together a magnet program. Montgomery County (in suburban Maryland) runs a pretty successful program of placing magnet programs in some of their worst performing schools. There is a lot of segregation between the students in the program and the general student body, but at least that way a smart kid in a bad neighborhood can still have access to good teaching and good peers.

SF Woman said:

whoever designed the human knee and lower back owes me an explanation.

Stop it! My back hurts when I laugh.

So what's the reasoning behind people who send their kids to private schools in the stellar school districts, like Mill Valley or Palo Alto, etc.? I always got the impression that the kids in these private schools were often the lower academic performing children of wealthy people who'll be damned if their kid doesn't get into an elite east coast name or Stanford (as a fall back, lol). The real competition is in the public schools in these communities, no? (I'm excepting the obvious religious or foreign national reasons for using private schools from this observation.)

"So what’s the reasoning behind people who send their kids to private schools in the stellar school districts, like Mill Valley or Palo Alto, etc.?"

You got me. Why the hell does anyone do $400,000 weddings? Maybe they just have too much money :P

Hey HITMAN MarinaPrime,

You're posts go straight to the spam bucket now, so just give it up. Perhaps if you'd tried half as hard at your IB job you wouldn't have to pedal real estate for a living.

School of The Arts is a magnet school and a very successful one. Raoul Wallenberg is another example of a kind of magnet school. You could probably even call Lowell a magnet school, a very early example of one. We also have some charter schools that I don't know too much about. They are very unpopular with the teachers unions but supposedly they do more with less funding. I guess their track record is mixed.

I know San Diego opens its best magnet schools in its roughest neighborhoods, which causes whites to sort of reverse de-segregate the schools in the neighborhood, while allowing poor people access to good neighborhood schools. I don't know why we don't do that here, it probably costs a lot of money though.

Randy,

On a more serious note, the Ivy League schools and their lib arts college equivalents don't like stellar suburban schools much. My HS class had 17 people apply to Harvard and nobody got in. The year before, one girl got in, and she was perfect perfect and a great athlete.

Okay, so a few of my classmates got into Yale, Princeton, Stanford and so forth, but Harvard HATED my school.

SFWoman,

I've been out of HS for 8 years so I'll defer to you on recent experience. However, one of my friends went to Yale and she told me she was looking at a college friend's picture. She noticed that everyone (no numbers, but must be at least 6 or 7) there was at Yale so she said, "wow, when did you guys take that." The friend replied, "oh, that was at Exeter."

Personally, I think prep school --> elite school feeder systems still exist, they're probably just more covert about it.

Many who post on here are not Californians. They are "immigrants" from other states as well as from other countries. Like that guy from Tennesse, and the person from China and the Yankee who calls herself an SF woman.

Please leave, so rightful Californians like that surfer X can afford to live in their home state.

Please leave.

sybrib,

LOL! Surfer-X better put up a fence all around California before I move there.

Well, what the elite private schools all have is a system where about 50% of their students are the children of alumni. And these alumni all send their kids to the same private schools.

So that is probably what you are seeing.

Eliminate the alumni preferences and there would be a lot more slots at the Ivy's to go around.

"Well, Yale. What do you expect? That’s why they make fun of it on the Simpsons so much."

Sadly, my friend would agree with you. She makes a great to-do about the Yale CORPORATION. But then, she is a un-reconstituted Trotskyite. (Maybe I should introduce her to Different Sean, drive him crazy with her notions, and turn him into a Libertarian... :twisted: )