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2006 Aug 10, 2:11pm   31,440 views  274 comments

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Unity

The housing bubble brought us together. A few brave blogs like Patrick.net provided a forum where we were able to find others like ourselves: people who dared to question soaring house prices and all the insanity that went along with them.

We were ridiculed. Not for a difference of religion, politics, age or wealth. But because we were all suddenly in the same place. We were outsiders. Contrarians.

But we found inspiration in one another. Many of us drew strength from this community; strength we needed to follow through on our convictions. Sometimes this put us at odds with co-workers, neighbors, friends, family, even spouses. But we had each other; and we knew we weren't crazy, everyone else was.

Now we know we were right. The herd awakens to that reality and slowly (or quickly) thunders back to where we are.

And so breaks our Unity?

For a short time, at least, we experienced the potential of a diverse group able to rise above ideology and partisanship.

--Randy H

#housing

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135   Randy H   2006 Aug 11, 7:49am  

We will all need to learn to get along a lot better with our neighbors.

Maybe I'm just getting too cynical, but I doubt it goes down that way. Rather I think those with power will simply take whatever resources and land become valuable away from those without power.

That has been the way of things for many millions of years. We just have bigger clubs now.

136   Glen   2006 Aug 11, 7:57am  

Maybe I’m just getting too cynical, but I doubt it goes down that way. Rather I think those with power will simply take whatever resources and land become valuable away from those without power.

I agree, just a little wishful thinking on my part.

137   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 8:03am  

Rather I think those with power will simply take whatever resources and land become valuable away from those without power.

I afraid that will be the cause until at least 2023.

138   e   2006 Aug 11, 9:02am  

Re founding/framing Ideals - they are not liberal or conservative. Most liberals want to take my guns away. The founding framers would be shocked and aghast at the firearms laws that do nothing to crime but make subjects out of citizens.

Personally I'd like to own a RPG. Just think of the great hunting and personal protection capabilities! It'd totally make EPA a safer place to be.

139   e   2006 Aug 11, 9:05am  

Frankly, not that Shrub or the GOP is any better, but to insinuate that Kennedy, Schumer, Swinestein, Boxer, Pelosi, Kerry, and folks of that ilk respect my bank account, my money, the taxes I pay, my rights - forget it. Those people want to use populist wealth redistribution tactics like taxing the crap out of me

Instead, we just borrow to redistribute our future wealth to corporations. :(

140   surfer-x   2006 Aug 11, 9:23am  

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141   StuckInBA   2006 Aug 11, 10:32am  

Interesting way to track the median price.

http://housing-watch.com/regionview.aspx?city=San-Jose

142   e   2006 Aug 11, 10:59am  

Not much good at close quarters, so I don’t see how it would help in EPA. You would be better served with an automatic 7.62 mm carbine in that sort of situation.

Good point! Though maybe you could use the RPGs as covering fire. After all, the best defense is a good offense. Fight them over there so we won't have to fight them overe here... etc.

In any case, if everyone is armed, then there wouldn't be crime (we'll ignore Texas.)

Well, at least that's what the argument was after the Colin Ferguson incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson

Gun rights advocates frequently cite the Ferguson attack on the commuter train as an example of the danger of disarming the population, arguing that Ferguson was able to shoot as many victims as he did because no other person on the train was able to return fire.

Ah, a shoot out in a metal tube - what could possibly go wrong.

I did see a H2 with a (fake) M240 mounted on the hood, in the parking lot across from the Cheesecake Factory at Valley Fair, of all places.

Well, the other side of 880 isn't all that great... especially by Race Street.

143   StuckInBA   2006 Aug 11, 11:06am  

To those saying/asking about early recovery.

The dot-com crash seems to have happened in a very short span of time. It did not happen that way. During the way down, everyone was calling for bottom at every stage.

I remember Jim Jubak on MSN Investor. Fed had cut interest rates. Within a year, they were supposed to "work their way" into economy and we were supposed to start flying again.

The rates did not matter. The ratios did not adjust by earnings catching up with valuation. Red Hat did not earn enough to be the next Microsoft. Ratios adjusted with price catching "down" with earnings.

That adjustment, even for an emotionless asset like stock, took a long time So recovery happening soon ? Forget about it. The bottom is not going to happen soon. We will talk about recovery when we reach the bottom.

144   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 11:42am  

Does anybody know if I have to let them through?

Your lease probably has such a clause. Nevertheless, you should probably help her for good karma.

145   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 11:44am  

I'm not sure what you can do, but given the current market, do you think she will be able to sell? At least you still have a year(?) left on the lease - she would have to break it - are there any provisions in your lease?

I am renting too, and it concerns me that my landlord might also decide to sell.

146   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 11:47am  

I am renting too, and it concerns me that my landlord might also decide to sell.

I have decided to live only in an apartment complex until I buy, if at all possible. Now that repartments are beoming common, the risk of condomization should be small.

147   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 11:52am  

Peter P,

Well, I won't move until I have too - or the landlord sells, and then I'll move into an apartment complex until I'm ready to buy.

My problem is I'm in a month to month lease, which has never been an issue until now.

However, everyone that owns in this area are all saying that this area never goes down, or doesn't get affected much - in which case, the landlord will hopefully be very complacent and not want to sell before the market tanks - by then, we should be in a position to decide on buying something.

148   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 11:55am  

LILLL,

Do you really want to buy the house you're in? If your landlord is like mine, they spend the least amount of money they can on the property and the termites have been having a huge party for years. You ideally want to (or rather I do) buy from someone who's been living in their house, and maintaining it (and maybe improving it) over the years.

149   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 11:58am  

Is condomization some kind of birth control?

Oops. Should have said:

The incentivization of condominiumization has diminished. :)

150   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 11:59am  

Then, if she does try to sell, see if you can't get her to pay you for the hassle and expense of moving before your lease is up.t

151   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 12:14pm  

I suppose you can't get an agent to give you an estimate of what the house is worth - or seeing what they are advising their clients at the minute?

If not much has sold in your area - do you think this one will? The realtors may lower the valuation for the house slightly anyway, compared to others, because it is a rental property - maybe.

You could bandie about the words lease to own options maybe, and send her off to investigate the idea or say that you want to investigate it as an option for you - that might put her off for a couple of weeks at least, then I believe sales taper off now, as everyone settles in for the school year.

Alternatively get caller ID and don't answer any calls from her (switch the answering machine off), she can't show any realtors around or access the property without 24 hours notice (I believe).

152   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 12:18pm  

Alternatively get caller ID and don’t answer any calls from her (switch the answering machine off), she can’t show any realtors around or access the property without 24 hours notice (I believe).

Why?

153   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 12:18pm  

LILLL,

I don't know much about lease to buy, so I have no idea whether it is a good idea or not -

*Not investment advice

154   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 12:24pm  

Peter P,

If the landlord can't notify you that she wants to come round and go through the house, then she can't show the realtors round (24 hour notice is normally in teh lease agreements), so it might take longer for valuation, the housing market may have worsened a bit more by then.....comps might be lower.......I suppose they could do a drive by though.

155   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 12:30pm  

LILLL,

Hopefully someone will have a better suggestion for you, mine are a little lame....

156   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 12:32pm  

Too late for me, my rent just went up this month....

157   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 12:38pm  

If the landlord can’t notify you that she wants to come round and go through the house, then she can’t show the realtors round (24 hour notice is normally in teh lease agreements), so it might take longer for valuation, the housing market may have worsened a bit more by then…..comps might be lower…….I suppose they could do a drive by though.

The landlord can just leave a note on your door. Sometimes, unnecessary opposition will harm you. It is better to just follow the flow.

158   Claire   2006 Aug 11, 12:46pm  

Peter P,

Yes, they can leave a note, but how many landlords use that as their first line of contacting you?

Besides, I've already said my ideas are lame, but if someone wants to stall that's one way of doing it. Personally, I normally let the landlord come round even if he's only given me 15 minutes notice.

159   speedingpullet   2006 Aug 11, 12:57pm  

LOL!

You're obviously a lot tidier than we are - our place normally looks like a tornado went through it. The LLs would need to give at least 24 hours notice, if they ever want to sell it! Staged, schmaged...

LILLL:

I may be wrong, and I'm sure someone will correct me if so, but as you've signed a tenenacy agreement for 2 years, the place is essentially 'yours' for that period.
Even if your LL sells the place, it has to be on the proviso that you have a tenenacy until 2008 (or whenever) and the buyer cannot evict you until your tenancy is up.
Essentially, they can buy the place as 'tenant occupied', which would assume that they are doing so for the rental imcome.

As I said, I could very well be wrong. Hopefully someone who knows their *rse from their elbow will post and let us know....

160   Different Sean   2006 Aug 11, 2:19pm  

hee hee, i'm posting from my new imate pda phone... now I can access patrick.net continually from anywhere - it's like a perpetual online heroin fix...

161   Different Sean   2006 Aug 11, 2:39pm  

i thought it did, heh -- i was hoping to be able to dictate straight to patrick.net in the car...

seriously, it's got GPRS, wifi and bluetooth.. and GSM of course...

voice to text might strain the memory/processing capabilities of a PDA...could do basic voice recognition dialling, i guess...

162   Randy H   2006 Aug 11, 2:45pm  

Bap33,

You do know Michael Savage is a stage name for Michael Alan Weiner. I'd think you'd hate this guy from many comments you've made around here earlier. I mean this guy is an environmentalist, animal rights supporter, has a PhD from UC Berkeley, and wrote books on herbalism (not as Mike Savage, of course).

He hasn't said very nice things about Olly either. Do you just like him because he encourages violence against gays and muslims as part of his radio shtick?

163   Randy H   2006 Aug 11, 2:48pm  

In a radio interview with Jerry Falwell on April 29, 2004, he opposed Falwell's view that people will go to hell if they do not believe in the doctrine that Jesus is the unique son of God. He refuses to believe that good people who do not accept Jesus will go to hell, while unrepentant, sinful Christians will go to heaven. Savage believes that religion is "a wheel". At the center of the wheel is God, and the five "spokes" of the wheel are the world's major religions: Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam. He believes in Universal reconciliation, which means that everybody will eventually go to heaven.

164   Different Sean   2006 Aug 11, 2:50pm  

as long as it's all savage, i don't care who says it...

what's ted nugent all about, just stumbled on his wiki entry by accident...

165   Randy H   2006 Aug 11, 2:52pm  

I occasionally post the rising sophistication of the SpamBots. Here's a great example of a SpamBot that got caught up in our filter, but made a damned good attempt at contextually adjusting to the going conversation:

Origins of the Welfare State in America
Standard theory views government as functional: a social need arises, and government, semi-automatically, springs up to fill that need. The analogy rests on the market economy: demand gives rise to supply (e.g., a demand for cream cheese will result in a gambling sport of gambling sport cheese on the market).

The gambling terms were links to online gaming sites.

166   Randy H   2006 Aug 11, 2:58pm  

Frighteningly, that spambot sounds a tad Postmodern, don't you think? How long until a SpamBot is indistinguishable form a social sciences thesis?

167   Different Sean   2006 Aug 11, 3:01pm  

hope you thwacked the bot til it was dead...

altho it was semi-educational this time... maybe the bots could generate the equivalent of a college degree given enough keywords -- could end up graduating from the University of Spam...

but don't forget the sokalian postmodern essay generator is always there for you... http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo

168   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 3:34pm  

I mean this guy is an environmentalist, animal rights supporter

I guess he is not a food supporter. :(

169   Peter P   2006 Aug 11, 3:36pm  

hee hee, i’m posting from my new imate pda phone… now I can access patrick.net continually from anywhere - it’s like a perpetual online heroin fix…

Cool... is that the one with slide-out keyboard?

170   Randy H   2006 Aug 11, 4:01pm  

We're stuck in the same rental conundrum. Rents going up, LL wants us out because I have option to extend lease until 08 at current rent (with an under-priced "exercise" price).

He's talking about selling it out from under us now; probably just to try to get leverage to raise our rent now that he regrets our contract. I know that technically any new buyer has to honor our legal contract lease agreement. But I also know that in practice these things are full of holes and anyone who knows how to hire a lawyer can get you thrown out in short order. This is Marin, not SF, so no fancy renter protections up here.

An apartment complex would seriously suck for us; like MA too many people and too many generations. They don't make that many 4BR units in complexes anyway.

Damned housing bubble. Now it's making me compete just to bubblesit. (And people were arguing with me that prices wouldn't be sticky. LOL.)

171   surfer-x   2006 Aug 11, 4:13pm  

My LL "attempts" to raise rent, I tell him to fuck himself, chainsaw the house, buy motorhome, sell all the useless shit and surf more.

When someone is fucking you in the ass usually it's because you bent over in the first place.

172   surfer-x   2006 Aug 11, 4:13pm  

Strike "My"
Insert "If"

173   surfer-x   2006 Aug 11, 4:13pm  

Whoops correct the first way

174   surfer-x   2006 Aug 11, 4:14pm  

LLILL, nope not my cat, the cat in the photo is Mukluk, lives in Morro Bay, Georgie lives in $anta Barbara

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