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Are roundabouts the same as rotaries?

Yes. But of course, they "rotate" the other way over there. :)

I think they can be used to replace semi-busy multi-lane 4-way stops though.

Are roundabouts the same as rotaries?

Probably...

Roundabouts are often used on busy-ish single lane roads also, where right of way issues or hegemony of certain routes can be reduced, i.e. everyone gets a turn. Multi-lane roundabouts become a bit of a nightmare sometimes due to driver misunderstandings of which lane they should occupy to go left or right, when they can cut over, etc...

Score is over-rated. Again, why do Asian parents want to ensure that their kids become the perfect employees?

Multi-lane roundabouts become a bit of a nightmare sometimes due to driver misunderstandings of which lane they should occupy to go left or right, when they can cut over, etc…

I am under the impression that a single-lane roundabout has as much throughput as a two-lane 4-way stop.

Peter P said :
Score is over-rated. Again, why do Asian parents want to ensure that their kids become the perfect employees?

Because they don't believe SS is going to be around and need a different financial net?

Dont forget ARMs have yet to rest.

LOL!

PAR Says:
So let me get this straight. The government can create a licensing service that will guarantee that licensed drivers won’t assault you?

No, of course not. There are a few more checks on licensed drivers in advance, they should have an ID on display, and it might be easier to catch them after the fact by investigating records. Now of course they are fitting tiny cams in cabs and even huge wrap around perspex screens to protect the driver (and possibly the passengers)... A cab driver was found guilty of a similar murder here recently also, but they are all licensed...

Because they don’t believe SS is going to be around and need a different financial net?

Especially because of that their kids need to do something drastically different from their peers. Getting into the right schools will no longer guarantee a good life.

There is no financial net whatsoever any more.

I am under the impression that a single-lane roundabout has as much throughput as a two-lane 4-way stop.

yes, it's probably much more efficient, as less waiting and more 'pipelining' of cars... and reduced likelihood of accidents and misunderstandings... but doesn't the american system of uncontrolled intersections have a 'first arrived, first to enter' rule? here, you have to always give way to the right at a 4-way stop...

I don't pretend to actually understand the advantages of a roundabout/rotary. We have a good number of them in Boston near where I grew up. There was always a lot of traffic backed up at the busy ones during rush hour, though not noticeably more than normal traffic lighted intersections.

It was a lot of fun to go in full speed, swerve a little, then hit the gas and shoot out the other side, when traffic's light, of course. It's even more fun to do that with out-of-towners sitting next to you.

I don’t pretend to actually understand the advantages of a roundabout/rotary.

You know, I do like to pretend. ;)

Even the mention of a small change from the current system in San Francisco where wealthy “medallion owners” pay off the politicians to keep the number of cabs and medallions low and profits high get’s (Comrade) Different Sean to say:

> Further, there should be no consumer protections
> or consumer certainty in society.

It scares me that people like Different Sean think things would be better with more government regulation. Since the politicians are getting so much from the medallion holders I’m surprised that they don’t pass a law making all the cab companies drive Fords so they can extort money from Ford…

Leaving aside the fact that there are people going round and round for ever in certain busy roundabouts not knowing how to get out, you are correct.

See, it gives you the option to go around indefinitely while you decide which restaurant to go to. :)

Especially because of that their kids need to do something drastically different from their peers. Getting into the right schools will no longer guarantee a good life.

But not getting into the right school might spell certain doom.

This is a situation where the negatives risks are enormous. Remember: in the future in America, there will only be Director-level and above employees, and Big Box Store employees to service them.

It is easy, the inner circle gets right-of-way. There are quite a few roundabouts at UC Davis for bikes. And with bikes, everything is multi-lane.

But not getting into the right school might spell certain doom.

I think getting a degree might spell certain doom.

The percentage of degree-holders among the richest people is not too encouraging for college students.

PAR, have you tried this one for Bay Area listings?

I get all my listings from www.burbed.com :)

Remember: in the future in America, there will only be Director-level and above employees, and Big Box Store employees to service them.

Exactly! Either you drop out and start a multi-billion company or you get a job at a big box store. Neither job requires a degree.

If you have a degree, you will be pigeon-holed into the middle class, the "surplus" class.

Leaving aside the fact that there are people going round and round for ever in certain busy roundabouts not knowing how to get out, you are correct.

See, it gives you the option to go around indefinitely while you decide which restaurant to go to.

I've done a couple of 360s while getting my bearings over time... altho it gives you an option to do a U-turn as well, which an ordinary intersection normally won't do...

sounds like the old Warner Bros cartoon with the guy stuck indefinitely on the freeways...

I’ve done a couple of 360s while getting my bearings over time… altho it gives you an option to do a U-turn as well, which an ordinary intersection normally won’t do…

We do U-turns in america all the time. :)

I have also made U-turns using freeway cloverleafs.

NV,

Those are some butt ugly numbers my friend! Love the Zip Code breakdown. Betcha' Marshall Prentice and John Karavol never thought they'd be pumping out those kind of stats! :)

506 sq ft 53-year old cottage for $999,000 with Los Altos schools (2665 MILLER AV, MTN VIEW).

Sale History
03/15/2006: $885,000
05/07/1999: $475,000

Now that's chutzpah.

You can also be stuck in a set of freeway cloverleafs indefinitely.

Portland has "traffic circles" all up and down 39th and they can be a gas (if you're actually using them) and a real drag if you're going all the way up. I will say that they keep the traffic flowing and that seems to be better for the people that live on high volume surface streets.

"35% off peak 2005 prices to dance a victory jig"

Uh, I do a little jig every time another subprime lender goes belly up!

35% off peak I will rent a 40' luxury motor home and go coast to coast with a m@tha f*ckin' bullhorn on full volume to promote my HELOC Bustin' Daddies Tour! :)

You can also be stuck in a set of freeway cloverleafs indefinitely.

One of my friends from Seattle who was visiting recently asked me "Why are all the interchanges so bad in California?"

I'm not sure if he was referring to the:
-101 N entrance at Mathilda
-85 N entrance & 237 E exit at El Camino
-101 S at Rengstorff

Those are pretty damn scary places.

OT......

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Interchanges are much better in San Diego. Also, I believe they have modified many full-cloverleafs to parclos along 880.

One "good" thing about cloverleafs is that you can safely abort merging and try again.

IIRC they post yield signs instead of merge signs in Seattle. Is this true?

eburbed said:

-85 N entrance & 237 E exit at El Camino

Is it really that bad? That's right by where I live, but since I work locally, I don't use highways much. Never felt like it was such a problem though.

We were down in LA a couple months ago. Seemed like so many of the highway entrances down there are just nuts. You have like 20 feet to accelerate from 0 to the speed limit or you'll get rearended. 237 E from 101 S is kinda like that. Great excuse to buy a sports car.

I meant 237E from 101N....

Damn, maybe it's 101W. You get the idea.

Here's a distress sale in Saratoga. They're trying to get 950,000 for the property, and if you look back at zillow, the property was last bought in 2000 for $750k. They won't work with any other realtors, which says to me that 950K is just about the least they can accept while getting out from under their mortgage, which suggests 920K in debt. It seems like this is a golden example of House ATM gone badly. I suppose it's possible that they could make their payments for 7 years and lost a job and have to sell... but in that case it wouldn't be a distress sale as they'd have well under 750k owned by now, even with a 0% down loan.

237 E from 101 S is kinda like that.

No, you get a very long aux lane before it exits at Mathilda.

237 W from 101 N is another story though, although the merge zone is quite wide.

I meant 237E from 101N….

No such exit.

Peter P,

You're right, 237 W from 101 N. The only times I go that way is at night, so I haven't noticed how wide the merge zone is.

Anyone know how to tell if you're dyslexic? That'd explain a lot of things....

Really pissed me off. When will this crap end?

http://ml-implode.com/

...and don't forget, as each toxic loan peddler goes out of business, the remaining peddlers have less competition so they can afford to raise rates.

Anyone know how to tell if you’re dyslexic? That’d explain a lot of things….

Dyslexic is a sign of genius because you are thinking faster than you can talk or type.

Merge zones usually look smaller than they are. You can look at the satellite map of that area.

http://tinyurl.com/33cbed

But I advise extreme caution in all merges.

…and don’t forget, as each toxic loan peddler goes out of business, the remaining peddlers have less competition so they can afford to raise rates.

They may have to raise rates just to sell those mortgages on as Wallstreet is waking up to the subprime risk.

s/Dyslexic/Dyslexia