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NV,

Those are some butt ugly numbers my friend! Love the Zip Code breakdown. Betcha' Marshall Prentice and John Karavol never thought they'd be pumping out those kind of stats! :)

506 sq ft 53-year old cottage for $999,000 with Los Altos schools (2665 MILLER AV, MTN VIEW).

Sale History
03/15/2006: $885,000
05/07/1999: $475,000

Now that's chutzpah.

You can also be stuck in a set of freeway cloverleafs indefinitely.

Portland has "traffic circles" all up and down 39th and they can be a gas (if you're actually using them) and a real drag if you're going all the way up. I will say that they keep the traffic flowing and that seems to be better for the people that live on high volume surface streets.

"35% off peak 2005 prices to dance a victory jig"

Uh, I do a little jig every time another subprime lender goes belly up!

35% off peak I will rent a 40' luxury motor home and go coast to coast with a m@tha f*ckin' bullhorn on full volume to promote my HELOC Bustin' Daddies Tour! :)

You can also be stuck in a set of freeway cloverleafs indefinitely.

One of my friends from Seattle who was visiting recently asked me "Why are all the interchanges so bad in California?"

I'm not sure if he was referring to the:
-101 N entrance at Mathilda
-85 N entrance & 237 E exit at El Camino
-101 S at Rengstorff

Those are pretty damn scary places.

OT......

Want to check a site to see if it is blocked by The Party?

http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/test/

Interchanges are much better in San Diego. Also, I believe they have modified many full-cloverleafs to parclos along 880.

One "good" thing about cloverleafs is that you can safely abort merging and try again.

IIRC they post yield signs instead of merge signs in Seattle. Is this true?

eburbed said:

-85 N entrance & 237 E exit at El Camino

Is it really that bad? That's right by where I live, but since I work locally, I don't use highways much. Never felt like it was such a problem though.

We were down in LA a couple months ago. Seemed like so many of the highway entrances down there are just nuts. You have like 20 feet to accelerate from 0 to the speed limit or you'll get rearended. 237 E from 101 S is kinda like that. Great excuse to buy a sports car.

I meant 237E from 101N....

Damn, maybe it's 101W. You get the idea.

Here's a distress sale in Saratoga. They're trying to get 950,000 for the property, and if you look back at zillow, the property was last bought in 2000 for $750k. They won't work with any other realtors, which says to me that 950K is just about the least they can accept while getting out from under their mortgage, which suggests 920K in debt. It seems like this is a golden example of House ATM gone badly. I suppose it's possible that they could make their payments for 7 years and lost a job and have to sell... but in that case it wouldn't be a distress sale as they'd have well under 750k owned by now, even with a 0% down loan.

237 E from 101 S is kinda like that.

No, you get a very long aux lane before it exits at Mathilda.

237 W from 101 N is another story though, although the merge zone is quite wide.

I meant 237E from 101N….

No such exit.

Peter P,

You're right, 237 W from 101 N. The only times I go that way is at night, so I haven't noticed how wide the merge zone is.

Anyone know how to tell if you're dyslexic? That'd explain a lot of things....

Really pissed me off. When will this crap end?

http://ml-implode.com/

...and don't forget, as each toxic loan peddler goes out of business, the remaining peddlers have less competition so they can afford to raise rates.

Anyone know how to tell if you’re dyslexic? That’d explain a lot of things….

Dyslexic is a sign of genius because you are thinking faster than you can talk or type.

Merge zones usually look smaller than they are. You can look at the satellite map of that area.

http://tinyurl.com/33cbed

But I advise extreme caution in all merges.

…and don’t forget, as each toxic loan peddler goes out of business, the remaining peddlers have less competition so they can afford to raise rates.

They may have to raise rates just to sell those mortgages on as Wallstreet is waking up to the subprime risk.

s/Dyslexic/Dyslexia

…and don’t forget, as each toxic loan peddler goes out of business, the remaining peddlers have less competition so they can afford to raise rates.

They may have to raise rates just to sell those mortgages on as Wallstreet is waking up to the subprime risk.

Yes, that too; but the reason they lowered their rates so much in the first place was because they had so much competition that they figured they would make it up in volume by lowering their standards. Now that they are dropping like flies they are losing their competition; should become very interesting this spring.

I don’t pretend to actually understand the advantages of a roundabout/rotary. We have a good number of them in Boston near where I grew up.

MtViewRenter,

I bike to work nearly every day, including back when we were living in Boston. Imagine trying to make it through rotaries on your bike in a sea of Masshole drivers!

The particularly scary ones for me were the one just on the Cambridge side of the BU bridge and the one on JamaicaWay as it splits off to Centre St.

Hey HARM,

I would have to agree that Patrick and Ben were before there time in one sense, they put up these websites. However, the fact so many people were attracted to them from the outset, whether they were labeled JBRs or not, shows that there was a lot of public opinion already forming around the idea that housing prices were insane and unsustainable.

I got hurt in the stock crash around 2000, and it just seemed so obvious to me since 2001 that money had flowed by the boatload into real estate, that maybe used to be somewhere else, like the stock market.

I'll admit, my understanding of economics is somewhat limited. Anyway, for that reason, plus the craziness of prices jumping here 30-40% per year, I just had to believe that there would be some kind of opposite reaction.

So I don't know if Patrick and Ben are geniuses, but they certainly tapped into the zeitgiest, or spirit of the times, if you know what I mean.

NV :

I don't see the meltdown. The DQ news SJMN page actually shows good gains for both SC and SM county. Some zip codes are quite down, some are doing extremely good. It's kind of weird. What's with Sunnyvale ? 3 zip codes are up over 10% ? Must have been the new homes.

SFBubbleBuyer Says:

> Here’s a distress sale in Saratoga. They’re trying to get
> 950,000 for the property, and if you look back at zillow,
> the property was last bought in 2000 for $750k.

The title records say that the current owner Shahin Jahanbani bought the place from Jason W. Frankenfield on 4/8/05 for $1,050,000

> They won’t work with any other realtors, which says to me that
> 950K is just about the least they can accept while getting out
> from under their mortgage, which suggests 920K in debt.

They suppressed the purchase price and total debt from the title records. I was able to back in to the purchase price at 98% of the 2006 tax bill (in CA under Prop 13. the assessed value goes up 2% a year.

Median prices can go up while house prices go down as buyers who 'stretched' in their brains what they would have to spend to get a decent house see houses they couldn't afford now drop down into their 'top' price range. Instead of buying the same house they could have bought in 2005 for 60k less, they buy the house they couldn't have afforded in 2005.

It's a whole NEW class of people who could easily go underwater if they don't drop 20% down. When will they 'graduate' back to being renters?

Instead of buying the same house they could have bought in 2005 for 60k less, they buy the house they couldn’t have afforded in 2005.

That is very reasonable indeed, considering that most people feel that they could not afford what they need.

I prefer to spend less if at all possible. I still want to enjoy sushi as a homeowner. :)

The title records say that the current owner Shahin Jahanbani bought the place from Jason W. Frankenfield on 4/8/05 for $1,050,000

Ouch. If only he'd waited 2 more months he could have nailed the peak for sure!

So he's only losing 13%ish (with fees) in a year... plus the interest paid.

Peter P said :
That is very reasonable indeed, considering that most people feel that they could not afford what they need.

That's a pretty good point. In fact, I told my wife if we were going to buy in a bubble (especially a deflating one), it'd have to be a house we'd stay in for at least 10+ years, preferrably 30+, so we're only considering houses good for kids even though we don't have any yet. I might buy the most house I can afford even with a slump in prices if it was a house I was sure I wouldn't have to leave. Hopefully most of the people buying now are doing the same thing. I'd hate to think of buying now and having to move in 5 years.

I’d hate to think of buying now and having to move in 5 years.

Not unless prices double again in 5 years. ;)

Ceo of Toll Brothers say worst is over

D.R. Horton CEO: '2007 is going to suck'

I’d hate to think of buying now and having to move in 5 years.

Not unless prices double again in 5 years.

If I thought they would, I'd buy. Of course, I'd be wondering who was going to pay for a 1.8 million dollar home in Sunnyvale...

Of course, I’d be wondering who was going to pay for a 1.8 million dollar home in Sunnyvale…

The question would be, what dollar? ;)

Hopefully most of the people buying now are doing the same thing. I’d hate to think of buying now and having to move in 5 years.

No one ever really plans on selling in a short amount of time; but they wind up doing it anyway.

No one ever really plans on selling in a short amount of time; but they wind up doing it anyway.

I'm pretty sure the people getting on the ride on the way up figured they could move if they needed to, and even make money doing it. Buying now is almost guarenteeing that you can't move for at least 10 years without losing tons of money. And probably buying right now, you won't realize a 'real' break even until after the mortgage is paid off and you start living the TI lifestyle.

D.R. Horton CEO: ‘2007 is going to suck’

I'd say that's language plain enough even for Joe Six-pack to grasp.

Ceo of Toll Brothers say worst is over

D.R. Horton CEO: ‘2007 is going to suck’

This is interesting considering there's a recent piece in the WSJ analyzing the big HBs for the next year. They think exactly the opposite - HBs focusing on the lower range market like DR Horton or Centex with national (read diverse) exposure will likely do best, while luxury builders like Toll may be in for a lot of hurt. I sense yet more BS spin from Toll and maybe even a glimmer of realism from DR Horton.

The problems is MSM still reports median and that's what get's discussed at the dinner parties.

But I think the following supports what many of us have mentioned as anecdotal evidence. I continue to believe that the BA housing market is indeed in a strong downturn which is superficially masked by good job market and cheap credit.

From the perma-bull site http://sanjoseproperty.com/newsletter.html

For sellers, while sales are increasing, they're still not at the level we saw during 2003-2005. The market is also quite different. Back then, anything sold. Now, buyers are being very particular. They want homes in the best neighborhoods and in move-in condition.

Hence all the weird statistics and median madness. One day, even MSM will start printing that median is bogus.

The problems is MSM still reports median and that’s what get’s discussed at the dinner parties.

But I think the following supports what many of us have mentioned as anecdotal evidence. I continue to believe that the BA housing market is indeed in a strong downturn which is superficially masked by good job market and cheap credit.

Stuck,
As I think you well know, if you look at all of the more sophisticated RE analysis out there, uniformly they all note that a decrease in sales volume (like we've seen for over a year now) is a leading indicator before price declines inevitably follow. That's just economic common sense. When sales dry up, eventually there is downward price pressure, no matter how much kool-aid is in the tap water in the Bay Area. I would almost be willing to say further price declines, even measured by the blunt and innacurate median price, are "in the bag," to borrow a corrupted phrase...

SFBubblebuyer,

that is the bad part of Saratoga, east of 85. In essence, Saratoga wannabes who cannot afford the real Saratoga shoot for that part of town simply because of the address although it looks and feels like San Jose.

It also goes to the Moreland school district. If that house is situated a bit to the left so that it will fall into the Lynbrook school district, it would not have been so "distressed", at least you can count on a few Asian parents bidding it up.