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FAB says:

We will not see any change any time soon since:
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5. Most everyone in the top quartile of earners, liberal, conservative, moderate, libertarian, anarchi$t, sociali$t, or sushi$t, enjoys access to affordable high quality domestic labor. Many people reading this have not cleaned a toilet themselves in a long long time.

Did you say sushist?

Peter, I found your typo to be very entertaining.

I am glad that you put my name and "entertaining" in the same sentence.

Many people reading this have not cleaned a toilet themselves in a long long time.

Hey, now... I cleaned mine this weekend. Also, does cleaning cat boxes count?

Also, does cleaning cat boxes count?

I cleaned one yesterday. Yuck!

@Peter P,

Given your love of fine food and cats, I thought you might appreciate this:

http://www.thecattbox.com/catts%20kitchen%202.htm

Hey, now… I cleaned mine this weekend.

I don't doubt you at all. But bear in mind that in a forum like this the inevitable response to my comment will be an uncannily high number of people who have recently scrubbed their johns. We won't hear from all those who didn't. (I'll be most impressed if anyone posts and declares, without shame, that they paid someone else to scrub their toilet for them. It's sorta like ma$turbating. Amazingly, no one does it when asked.)

FAB says:

1. Most liberals feel sorry for the illegals and don’t want to send them home.

I would have to say this is a misconception, if you look at Chronicles (sfgate.com) online polls, most issues are voted overwhelmingly liberal (capital punishment, anti-war sentiments), support for allowing the illegal immigration stauts quo never is very high even among the sfgate voters. Polls across the country reflects even less support for illegal immigrants. The politicians are more to blame on this one.

@Randy H,

So... are you saying rich people pay others to ma$turbate for them?? Egads, outsourcing must stop!

Ok, I am willing to do the ma$turbation that lazy, rich Americans aren't willing to do for themselves. For a reasonable salary + benefits, of course.

Henceforth, my johnson will proudly sport a "stroked in America" decal. Gotta love the Red, White & Blue (balls), baby!

Given your love of fine food and cats, I thought you might appreciate this:

No, thank you.

Ok, I know that last quip was pretty crude (apologies all), but halting the entire thread??

It /has/ been a rather quiet thread...

It /has/ been a rather quiet thread…

Very. If a thread does not reach 100 comments in 24 hours it should be halted.

The threads have a case of the 'Mondays' or something.

Have you ever tried delivering the "case of the Mondays" line to someone? It seems to encourage interesting reactions.

/whistles innocently

@requiem,

No. No, man. Shit, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.

I hope I live long enough to see the criminalization of hiring the non-documented. Too many companies and small business especially in So Cal have prospered far to long with this form of cheap slave labor. It's been killing the taxpayer for decades which lowers the standard for middle class trying to pull themselves up. If businesses risk jail\heavy fines to hire them we won't have jobs for them and if there are no longer jobs they stop coming.

I am third gen half mex\dutch. My grandparents had to assimilate and get educated and establish in this country and this was before the welfare state. I think the so called back breaker jobs should go to the lowest working class who are at least legal. It's a tall order but maybe with the housing correction and end of mexafornia it will once again be the California Robert Cote' spoke of.

I'm with Sylvie. The illegal alien problem will only be solved through the pocketbooks of the businesses.

You fine businesses 100k per illegal per year, and it'll clear up quickly.

Randy H Says:

> We won’t hear from all those who didn’t. (I’ll be most
> impressed if anyone posts and declares, without shame,
> that they paid someone else to scrub their toilet for
> them. It’s sorta like ma$turbating. Amazingly, no one
> does it when asked.)

I pay people to clean vacant apartments, but almost always do a little cleaning myself when I inspect them to make sure they are “rent ready”. Just last month I noticed a toilet had some kind of scum in it and when I couldn’t brush it off I used an old trick my Dad taught me and I poured in a little pool acid and cleaned the bowl before I ran out to get some fresh air (I’m pretty sure that you will die if you breath enough of the fumes from pool acid, but there is no other cleaning product that works as well to make the bowl sparkle)….

P.S. My parents have never paid anyone to clean their home (even after parties) and I’ve never paid anyone to clean my home (unless you count the dinners for girlfriends who were trying to impress me with how domestic they are)…

I said:

> Most liberals feel sorry for the illegals and
> don’t want to send them home.

Then CB Says:

> I would have to say this is a misconception, if you
> look at Chronicles (sfgate.com) online polls, most
> issues are voted overwhelmingly liberal (capital
> punishment, anti-war sentiments), support for allowing
> the illegal immigration stauts quo never is very high
> even among the sfgate voters.

The SF Gate polls are a joke, since every now and then a way right or way left newsgroup or BLOG posts a link and a ton of people from outside the area vote. There is not a single elected official in San Francisco that has come out saying we need to arrest illegals. Anyone that came out with a tough immigration stance voted out of office by the liberals who feel sorry for the poor immigrants (and who don’t want to lose the lady that cleans their toilets for $5/hr cash).

Just last month DA Kamala Harris (who feels so sorry for poor people that she only sends 4 out of 100 people arrested to prison vs. 40 out 100 for the San Diego County DA) sent out a press release that said that despite the “Federal” crackdown on illegal immigrants the “City” and “County” of San Francisco is reaffirming is “Sanctuary City” status and will do nothing to any illegal….

I don't care what it takes, I want our borders secure. I would like to see an adequate legal immigration policy where sufficient numbers of Mexicans are allowed in as residents who are not eligible for social services, but can become citizens after 5 years. Illegal immigratin is a horrible situation where people are exploited and live in squalor because they live in fear of discovery.

My position on housing is that immigration (legal or illegal) does not lower housing prices. Obviously immigrants for the most part don't move to the nice neighborhoods but they do move to the spillover neighborhoods which increases those values in turn increasing the nicer area prices.

It does however, contribute to crime and blight probably because it creates an underclass who live in a black market economy and society. Legalizing entry for the desireable ones will help this situation by allowing some sort of control over who comes in. Two things I would propose is English only in this country, you would have to be proficient to enter as a resident. The other thing would be to make it a real crime with a 10 year federal sentence to be an illegal alien.

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I'm glad to see that admitting to masturbating is far more socially acceptable than admitting you pay someone to clean your toilets.

I believe the answers just about as much. I'm sure there are people with means who clean their own toilets from time to time, like after a bad round of family flu. There are days men don't masturbate too, on just about as rare occasion.

I didn't use the word hire, although that should carry a criminal charge as well. Specifically there needs to be a serious deterrent to being here illegally. Deporting does not work, a stiff jail sentence is the only thing I can think of to clenase the problem here. There should be a six month amnesty to declare themselves as here illegally, and then have that time to straighten out their affairs and then they have to leave. They can file whatever court papers they want, but at the 6 month mark they need to leave, and would have to pursue their case from overseas. At their expense they need to come back in on a visa if they wish to make court appearances. I want a fair, reasonable, sensible system.

The other thing would be to make it a real crime with a 10 year federal sentence to be an illegal alien.

Do you want to overwhelm the already-overwhelmed prison system?

I am a practical person. Sending illegals to prison will not work. We should make it extremely difficult to stay underground instead.

There should be a six month amnesty to declare themselves as here illegally, and then have that time to straighten out their affairs and then they have to leave.

No one will declare themselves illegal.

How about a six month grace period for them to pay a penalty (say 25K per head) for a conditional status? If they cannot afford to pay, they can be issued loans.

US mortgage crisis forces homeowners to take refuge in their cars

This vehicle?

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/gmc-pad.htm

Well, you can live in your car but you cannot drive your house.

All hail Peter P!

I should have put in a tongue-in-cheek when I said that. :-P

Does anyone else have a problem with www.zillow.com ? My computer crashes whenever I use it - especially if I try more than 1 comp.

Peter P Says:

Who determines what is considered wrong?

"Someone must. The cost of not making such determinations is higher than that of making wrong determinations occasionally.”
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Actually, quite a brilliant and honest assessment.

Huh?

Either way, I do not care.

At least I am not someone who is afraid of making moral judgments.

Michael Holliday posted:

“It’s an old saying in social services that most people are one to six paychecks away from being homeless. But if you can’t make your mortgage, it’s more like a month or two,” said William Wise, of the relief agency St Vincent de Paul”

I hear this quite a bit and last time I asked I don’t remember seeing a response. Is there anyone out there who will be sleeping in their minivan with the wife and kids of they don’t get a paycheck for a month or two?

How about a six month grace period for them to pay a penalty (say 25K per head) for a conditional status? If they cannot afford to pay, they can be issued loans.

How about, pay the fine or go to jail, or get out and if we catch you again it's 10 years. Pick your poison, I'm fine with any of them.

I don't believe in being able to just buy your way out of a crime though, and I think my original idea would not overwhelm the jails since only a portion of the 10 million would risk it.

Does anyone else have a problem with www.zillow.com ? My computer crashes whenever I use it - especially if I try more than 1 comp.

Works fine for me.

I hear this quite a bit and last time I asked I don’t remember seeing a response. Is there anyone out there who will be sleeping in their minivan with the wife and kids of they don’t get a paycheck for a month or two?

Unless I send money in such a case, many of my family back in Ohio would be.

Peter, we are definitely in agreement on a guest worker program. I believe that should be very easy to apply for. I also believe, and would like to see, 'alien' driver's licenses to help with uninsured drivers. That too should carry an extra penalty for aliens who drive without insurance.

I consider myself practical as well, but I must take issue with your original challenge that we can't be tough because we would overwhelm the system. Firstly that is basically a departure from my and I guess the majority's value system to not prosecute criminals because it is too much trouble. Secondly, as I said but to clarify more, I believe in cases such such as this; once you make a very public example and people actually see someone in shackles going to a federal penitentiary 90% will toe the line.

Uncle Bob long since sold the cows to pay the debts, as you put it earlier. They have no reserve that isn't provided by the government either as agricultural subsidies or direct aid.

Ahah! An illegal from Ohio!