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All About Wealth Disparity


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2007 Apr 21, 8:43am   30,074 views  232 comments

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One of the topics that has kept coming up over the 2 years of this blog's existence is wealth and income disparity. It's pretty obvious from a number of different sources and metrics that --after heading down for several generations-- it's been going up over the past 35 years or so in the U.S. In fact the U.S. is now closer to China or Iran in terms of wealth distribution (as measured by the Gini Coefficient) than Canada or Western Europe.

Some of the regulars here (myself included) view this as an alarming trend, with some disturbing implications, such as:
  • A gradually shrinking middle class (however one chooses to define that), and increasingly bifurcated economy/society.

  • Less overall economic/social mobility (fewer opportunities for ambitious, intelligent poor people to join the ranks of the middle class, or move from middle to wealthy class).

  • Potential for greater social/political unrest, as wealth disparity approaches Third-world levels (What good is it to be "middle class" or wealthy, if it means having to live in a heavily fortified compound that you cannot leave without bringing along a small private army to protect you, a-la Mexico or Colombia?).

  • The devolution of our economy, from "free market" capitalism, based (at least somewhat) on the concepts of rule-of-law, meritocracy, competition and personal responsibility, to one based more on kleptocracy, plutocracy, corruption, and political connections.

  • The growing phenomenon of "Privatize Profits, Socialize Risks", where politically well connected big businesses and de-facto cartels attempt to insulate themselves from competition, and seek to transfer the consequences of their own bad financial decisions to taxpayers, via federal laws, subsidies and bailouts.


  • Some of our Patrick.net regulars appear to think this may be a symptom of an inevitable mega-trend that no amount of social engineering or tax redistribution can stop. Some even consider the emergence of a large, prosperous middle class as a historical aberration, that we are now in the process of "correcting". Peter P has often commented that, "no matter how you redistribute wealth, it always ends up in the same hands". And there may be validity to this view: consider the spectacular rise and fall of Communism in the Twentieth Century. There is also the notion that our economy has progressed to the point where wealth disparity is unlikely to lead to the kinds of social/political unrest it has in the past (French, Russian Revolutions, etc.), because for the most part, citizens' basic physical needs are still being met. A.k.a., the "bread and circuses" argument (see Maslow's hierarchy of needs).

    The big questions for me are:

    1) Is the decline of the middle class and bifurcation of the U.S. economy an inevitable result of macro-economic and historical forces beyond our ability to influence (such as global wage arbitrage and the transition from being an industrial power to a primarily service-based economy)?

    2) Is it theoretically possible to reverse this trend through social/economic policies, and if so, how? Is Different Sean-style socialism the only way? (see "How does one regulate 'well'?")

    3) If such reforms are theoretically possible, are they practically feasible? (i.e., is it realistic to assume political opposition from entrenched special interests can ever be overcome?)

    Discuss, enjoy...

    HARM

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    228   WookieMan   2024 Sep 3, 11:04pm  

    AD says

    Sports tourism (softball, soccer, baseball and lacrosse tournaments) is becoming the rage in Panama City Beach, especially at the newly built Panama City Beach Sports Complex.

    Its a tourism magnet from Tennessee and Georgia rich white suburbs as they come down for the sports tournament and then spend a few days on the beach after it.

    Travel league shit from crazy parents. My SIL was just in Mobile, AL for football. From IL.... You're right though. These sport complexes are taking advantage of the morons that do travel leagues. If it wasn't for travel leagues, no one is going to Mobile, AL.

    Whole other thread should be made for it if you have kids. Short rant. Complete. Bull. Shit. NEVER put your kids in this stuff or spend the money. I can take all 5 of our family members to the Caribbean, Europe, etc. for the price and travel of these fucking leagues for children that aren't even that good.

    I'd rather take the kids to PCB and just enjoy the beach and do some local activities. Again, I'm athletic, still kind of am, but at some point experiences are better than sports. I hate the jock mentality. I was smoking pot, drinking and almost winning state championships in high school. These parents pay $4-6k for these travel leagues. I don't need to see them play. I can just look at them and tell the parent to not waste the time and money. I know a loser athletically when I see them. They don't even have to be playing. Hence why I don't coach. Macho dads that thought they were good as a kid get in may face, guess what. They might die. So I don't coach.
    231   GNL   2024 Sep 7, 6:36pm  

    The bottom 50% don’t own squat.
    232   WookieMan   2024 Sep 7, 7:01pm  

    GNL says

    The bottom 50% don’t own squat.

    Own or pay. Getting into tax prep mode already. We'll be $40k deep this year I think. Withdrawn as a W-2 employee so we usually never owe and don't take all our exemptions. Loan to the cock sucking government. I don't want to owe though, especially right now. Need to be $150-200k liquid cash.

    The bottom 50% is true. It grinds my nutts when people talk about taxes. I know their pay. I'm nice about it. But I know you paid nothing into the system, yet bitch about paying no taxes. We need better high school education on economics. People that think they're paying taxes have no clue they're not.

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