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elliemae says

The problem is that rayray lacks the ability to understand satire. He enjoys attacking without understanding the issue - rendering his comments useless and displaying his ignorance. He didn’t read what you posted, instead choosing to call you a racist.

Don't try to understand the troll. Was it you who said he should be ignored? He really should - but like a train wreck, we can't look away. He's driven away many posters from the forum with his drivel, and that's unfortunate. He's quick to attack others without the ability to understand that he's neither liked nor appreciated.

BTW: saw Bill Maher on stage. damn funny.

marcus says

Obviously, he meant if you’re a white racist. Shock me Ray, and simply acknowledge that this is true, and that it bothers you to be in the same party with many racists.

Prepare yourself to be really, really shocked. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat either. I am a conservative independent. To tell you the truth, I'm sick of both major parties. There are racists everywhere, amongst Democrats (Sharpton, Jackson, etc.) including in the Black community. Who does the racist Farrakhan typically vote for, Republicans or Democrats? I'll give you one example reverse racism: years ago, my wife, while working herself through school, worked at a place where she was the only white girl. She and a black girl became very good friends. One day, the black girl told her she was being pressured by the other black girls "not to be friends" with my wife. Why? Simply because my wife is white. My wife also happens to be one of the sweetest people you will ever meet. Literally, everyone loves her. What was her crime? Tragically, the friend of my wife was killed in a car accident not long after the "not to be friends" incident. We went to the funeral. To say we were treated like outsiders is an understatement. There are plenty of racists in every community and it shows itself in a variety of ways. When I went to a racially mixed high school that was predominated by Italians, trust me, if you weren't Italian and wanted to date an Italian girl, you were in big trouble. What was that? I call that racism too. Racism is a part of fallen human nature and it knows no boundaries. I have always lived my life by treating people as individuals and am about as far away as you can get from being a racist.

Marcus .... shock me. Admit there are racists amongst Democrats too.

RayAmerica says

I have always lived my life by treating people as individuals and am about as far away as you can get from being a racist.

Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you. Why would you post all that, claiming to be a vcitim of so many other racists? Is that all in your life that defines you and makes you an angry troll on an interwebs real estate forum? Is your anger what drives you to attack me constantly?

Perhaps you were treated like an outsider at the funeral because you were one. Not the color of your skin, but your pervasive attitude.

RayAmerica says

Marcus …. shock me. Admit there are racists amongst Democrats too.

Obviously.

RayAmerica says

I have always lived my life by treating people as individuals and am about as far away as you can get from being a racist.

Then why so troubled by my post ? Do you wish to deny that most of the power is in the hands of old white men ? Do you deny that there is some ignorance and fear there in the form of racism ? The transition coming up, to being far more diverse even than we are now, where whites are a minority is kind of a big deal to those people no ? It's not discussed very much. Is it a factor in the fear mongering that gets perpetuated by the right wing media ?

People accept that males are generally more violent than females - this has to do with hormonal levels and brain chemistry - and there is no one screaming that there are too many males in prison versus females. So if African-Americans are shown to have slightly different brain chemistries or hormonal levels ON AVERAGE than white Americans then why cannot the same logic be applied? People accept all sorts of racial differences when it comes to how fast people can run, how high they can jump, how muscular and defined they are - but they cannot accept slight differences in testosterone levels or other differences in hormonal or brain chemistry? Is this the dark ages?

So blacks as a group are worse off, but a token amount of blacks are benefiting from the supposed "victimhood" of their people? I thought one of the main pillars of logic behind affirmative action was to help elevate black people as a group - but here we are, nearly a 700% increase in the number of black politicians yet the black community as a whole has deteriorated at an alarming rate - to the point where we once had 3x the number of blacks in college as in prison to where we have more blacks in prison than college.

What have all these years of screaming and protesting and objecting and being outraged gotten your people Reverend Jackson? Mr. Sharpton? Your people are worse off now than they were 20 years ago - why is that?

And now we have the newest black "victim" in the long line of black victims we are forced to hear about every February in this country - Shirley Sherrod saying that "If there were more African-Americans in the USDA perhaps I would not have been fired so hastily". So the myth perpetuates itself - the more blacks in "power" = better lives for African-Americans - but it actually seems to be quite the opposite.

Africa and Haiti serves the prime example, where once thriving cultures existed under colonial rule, since the whites were forced to leave the living conditions have deteriorated even as GDP grew because all the money was funneled into the coffers of Black Dictators, part of the problem is that blacks dont understand politics or participate in them at all except for immediate direct benefit and it always leads to their self impalement. Blacks should rejoice in having the benevolant white ruler to care for and guide them like a son and daughter. Blacks must accept that they need whites to thrive and embrace the truth, as white should respect that blacks should be helped and treated as children who need our love and attention.

surfingerman says

Blacks should rejoice in having the benevolant white ruler to care for and guide them like a son and daughter. Blacks must accept that they need whites to thrive and embrace the truth, as white should respect that blacks should be helped and treated as children who need our love and attention.

ummmmmmmmmmm... where to start?

surfingerman, have you been reading up on Charles Manson? His belief was that there would be a race war, the blacks would win and become the ones in power - only to find that they aren't smart enough to run things. Enter Manson, who along with his "family" would assume that role.

Only the racial uprisings weren't occuring fast enough, so he helped it along by the massacre of innocent people, writing incendiary sayings on the walls and carving the word "War" into one of the victims. It was his hope that he could help start the process.

Did I just compare you to Charles Manson? Nope. I just pointed out that the words that you wrote, in the order in which you wrote them, indicated that you believe African Americans (and black people in general) aren't as smart as the rest of the world - and that they require white people to guide them.

And that was horribly offensive.

The thread quoted the Onion.com, a site that's satire at its best. It was funny, it poked fun at racism, and is not to be taken seriously.

Neither are you - but you're not funny in the least.

"And that was horribly offensive. "

facts arn't swayed by sensitivities

"The thread quoted the Onion.com, a site that’s satire at its best."

irrelevant

"Neither are you"

irrelevant

"but you’re not funny in the least."

irrelevant

", have you been reading up on Charles Manson? His belief was that there would be a race war, the blacks would win and become the ones in power - only to find that they aren’t smart enough to run things. Enter Manson, who along with his “family” would assume that role."

no ones advocating race war im advocating racial harmony and peace as existed under apartheid in south Africa, lowest murder and violence rate in the entire history of south Africa, same goes for the south under slavery, lowest rate of violence by far, over 1700% less murders and 7900% less rape per capita (including only a total 126 document case of lynchings aka death sentence, mainly for murders)

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/world/detail/76392/
Israel to expel hundreds of migrant workers' kids
Israel on Sunday approved new residency criteria that could result in the deportations of hundreds of children of migrant workers. The decision by Israel's Cabinet represented a small step by Israel to clear up the status of thousands of foreign workers in Israel.
Israeli sees fit to expel anchor babies from their county, Israel is getting swamped with African Jews, however they are now forcibly sterilizing them and sending them packing form Israel, so will you condemn Israel for these actiond Ellie Mae? i suspect not

Ellie may, I think your friend Ray was correct. This thread was a mistake. There are some arguments that even I won't attempt. I'm not going to argue with this doofus, but I will answer one.

surfingerman says

case of superior creativity or intelligence or productivity

American culture, some say is not even really a culture, because we don't have a long enough history and because we are a "melting pot." But if there was one single cultural art form that is quintessentially American, it would be music, especially Jazz, the Blues, R&B, and yes now Hip Hop.

In time everything you say surfinger will be proven wrong. You need to read some of the research that talks about the importance of location relative to natural resources, food and so on. Over 10 or 20 centuries these things can lead to a very real advantage. The advantages that accrued to the lucky and aggressive Europeans had to do with many factors other than race. Sure they got a jump on modernity. So ?

I suppose that you think the reasons that Germans followed Hitler's madness so blindly was because too many of them had blond hair ?

marcus says

Ellie may, I think your friend Ray was correct. This thread was a mistake

It was amusing - but you have a point. The interwebs have deep dark corners...

marcus says

Do you deny that there is some ignorance and fear there in the form of racism ?

The operative word is "some." As I stated in the above post, racism is inherent in human nature and is found everywhere in a variety of forms. Let me give you one more example: in America, SOME dark skinned blacks are prejudiced against light skinned blacks. This is a well known fact. I even saw this in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The light skinned in Puerto Rico are very prejudiced against the darker skinned people. Furthermore, in Africa right now there is black on black slavery being practiced. My point is that racism is not found only amongst whites, it is found amongst all races and ethnic groups all over the world.

elliemae says

Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you.

You have, along with numerous other lies, accused me of being a "racist that hates blacks," a "follower of Hitler," etc. Now is the time to prove or disprove whether or not you are the liar I know you to be. Copy and paste here for all to see the quotes where I have EVER praised Hitler, attacked Black people, displayed racism in any way. Go ahead ellie. Prove yourself to be either an honest person or a shameless liar.

surfingerman says

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/world/detail/76392/
Israel to expel hundreds of migrant workers’ kids...
Israeli sees fit to expel anchor babies from their county, Israel is getting swamped with African Jews, however they are now forcibly sterilizing them and sending them packing form Israel...

1. I can speak as an American Jew. I'm not Israeli. I have never been there. I don't have any voting rights there. I'm an American Jew and therefore completely American, and a private citizen at that with no diplomatic power, and have no control over what this foreign country does or doesn't do.

2. I wouldn't quote too much from Ukrainian newspapers when they report on "Jews." They have a long standing hatred of Jews that goes back centuries and they will do anything to make Jews look bad on the international stage, and they will persecute their Ukrainian Jews enacting pogroms that would make your hair curl.

3. There is nothing in that article that says anything about Israel sterilizing anyone. That accusation is your own, has no basis in fact, and sounds like it's born out of unreasoned hate.

Thank you for illustrating the very nature of this entire thread.

3. There is nothing in that article that says anything about Israel sterilizing anyone. That accusation is your own and sounds like it’s born out of unreasoned hate.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10427458787&topic=12819

NAZARETH, Israel // Health officials in Israel are subjecting many female Ethiopian immigrants to a controversial long-term birth control drug in what Israeli women’s groups allege is a racist policy to reduce the number of black babies.

The contraceptive, known as Depo Provera, which is given by injection every three months, is considered by many doctors as a birth control method of last resort because of problems treating its side effects.

However, according to a report published last week, use of the contraceptive by Israeli doctors has risen threefold over the past few years. Figures show that 57 per cent of Depo Provera users in Israel are Ethiopian, even though the community accounts for less than two per cent of the total population.

About 90,000 Ethiopians have been brought to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has subsequently been questioned by some rabbis and is doubted by many ordinary Israelis.

Ethiopians are reported to face widespread discrimination in jobs, housing and education and it recently emerged that their blood donations were routinely discarded.

“This is about reducing the number of births in a community that is black and mostly poor,” said Hedva Eyal, the author of the report by Woman to Woman, a feminist organisation based in Haifa, in northern Israel. “The unspoken policy is that only children who are white and Ashkenazi are wanted in Israel,” she said, referring to the term for European Jews who founded Israel and continue to dominate its institutions.

Women’s groups were alerted to the widespread use of Depo Provera in the Ethiopian community in 2008 when Rachel Mangoli, who runs a day care centre for 120 Ethiopian children in Bnei Braq, a suburb of Tel Aviv, observed that she had received only one new child in the previous three years.

“I started to think about how strange the situation was after I had to send back donated baby clothes because there was no one in the community to give them to,” she said.

She approached a local health clinic serving the 55 Ethiopian families in Bnei Braq and was told by the clinic manager that they had been instructed to administer Depo Provera injections to the women of child-bearing age, though he refused to say who had issued the order.

Ms Mangoli, who interviewed the women, said: “They had not been told about alternative forms of contraception or about the side effects or given medical follow-ups.” The women complained of a wide range of side effects associated with the drug, including headaches, abdominal pain, fatigue, nausea, loss of libido and general burning sensations.

Depo Provera is also known to decrease bone density, especially among dark-skinned women, which can lead to osteoporosis in later life. Doctors are concerned that it is difficult or impossible to help women who experience severe side effects because the drug is in their system for months after it is injected.

The contraceptive’s reputation has also been tarnished by its association with South Africa, where the apartheid government had used it, often coercively, to limit the fertility of black women.

Traditionally, its main uses have been for women who are regarded as incapable of controlling their own reproduction or monitor other forms of birth control, and for women who suffer severe problems during menstruation.

Ms Eyal said she had been denied co-operation from government ministries, doctors and most of the health insurance companies while conducting her research.

Clalit, the largest health company, however, did provide figures showing that 57 per cent of its Depo Provera users were Ethiopian compared with a handful of women in other ethnic groups.

The health ministry was unavailable for comment.

When first questioned about Depo Provera in June 2008, the health minister of the time, Yaacov Ben Yezri, said the high number of Ethiopians in Israel using the drug reflected a “cultural preference” for injections among Ethiopians. In fact, according to figures of the World Health Organisation, three-quarters of women in Ethiopia using birth control take the oral pill.

“The answers we received from officials demonstrated overt racism,” Ms Eyal said. “They suggested that Ethiopian women should be treated not as individuals but as a collective group whose reproduction needs controlling.”

When Woman to Woman conducted an experiment by sending five non-Ethiopian women to doctors to ask for Depo Provera, all were told that it was prescribed only in highly unusual cases.

Ms Mangoli said it was extremely difficult to get immigrant Ethiopian families to speak out because they were afraid that their Jewishness was under suspicion and that they might be deported if they caused trouble.

However, women interviewed anonymously for the report stated that officials at absorption centres in Ethiopia advised them to take Depo Provera because there would be no funds to support their children if they got pregnant in Israel.

This policy appears to conflict with the stated goals of the country’s Demography Council, a group of experts charged with devising ways to persuade Jewish women to have more babies.

The council was established in response to what is widely seen in Israel as a “demographic war” with Palestinians, or the need to maintain a Jewish majority in the region despite high Palestinian birth rates. In a speech marking the council’s reconvening in 2002, the then social welfare minister, Shlomo Benizri, referred to “the beauty of the Jewish family that is blessed with many children”.

Yali Hashash, a researcher at Haifa University, said attempts to restrict Ethiopian women’s fertility echoed practices used against Jewish women who immigrated to Israel from such Arab countries as Iraq, Yemen and Morocco in the state’s early years, in the 1950s and 1960s.

Many, she said, had been encouraged to fit IUDs when the device was still experimental because Israel’s leading gynecologists regarded Arab Jews as “primitive” and incapable of acting “responsibly”.

Allegations of official racism towards Ethiopians gained prominence in 2006 when it was admitted that for many years all their blood donations had been discarded for fear that they might be contaminated with diseases.

There have also been regular reports of Ethiopian children being denied places in schools or being forced to attend separate classes.

In November a survey of employers in the main professions showed that 53 per cent preferred not to hire an Ethiopian.

Ruth Sinai, an Israeli social affairs reporter for Haaretz newspaper, wrote recently that the discrimination faced by the country’s 120,000 Ethiopians reflected in particular “doubts on the part of the country’s religious establishment about their Jewishness”.

surfingerman says

3. There is nothing in that article that says anything about Israel sterilizing anyone. That accusation is your own and sounds like it’s born out of unreasoned hate.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=10427458787&topic=12819

Ooo, a quote from an anti-semitic facebook account. How much more outside of reality could you get? Thanks for playing and for making it more clear who you really are.

Oh and facebook is legendary for allowing lots of anti-semitic crap to exist and spread. Nice try, but really, it's still not evidence based on facts.

and before anyone calls me racist i myself have helped 5 Haitians here, i know i cannot treat them as my equal, if i were they would stomp me to death, i keep them at gunpoint and let them know whos boss and thats me, i direct and police them and make sure their not up to shenanigans and behaving themselves, they were in prison before and now their doing much better as long as keep up with them and act as their parent and guardian and treat them as the irresponsible children they are, they are now flourishing and one even got married just last month, blacks mostly lack a strong fatherly figure to lay down the law with them, they have highly elevated testosterone levels and you have to keep them in fear or they will devour you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDh4NDqzRQQ&feature=player_embedded

^this is what happens when you let blacks unsupervised in a European style govt

Surfingerman, thanks for showing your true colors. I think that most reasonable people can tell who you really are.

The more you post, the more you dig yourself into a hole out of which you won't be able to climb.

Sadly I'm not amazed that people like you still exist in the world.

Everyone who reads the comment above should go to youtube and watch the video. Then read the comments below the video. I think it's self-explanatory what point of view is being expressed here.

what is anti-semitism.. no such thing just a imaginary word

im actually 1/4 "jew" as well i find all this anti-semitism bull-crap completely ridiculous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oljrngl5Iwc

Yes, and my Great Uncle who was 100% Jewish was the biggest racist and anti-semite I have ever known. So please, your denouncements fall on deaf ears here.

surfingerman says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oljrngl5Iwc

And this is Russian television. Do I need to remind anyone what Russians really feel about Jews and the history of hate there?

elliemae says

Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you.

RayAmerica says

You have, along with numerous other lies, accused me of being a “racist that hates blacks,” a “follower of Hitler,” etc. Now is the time to prove or disprove whether or not you are the liar I know you to be. Copy and paste here for all to see the quotes where I have EVER praised Hitler, attacked Black people, displayed racism in any way. Go ahead ellie. Prove yourself to be either an honest person or a shameless liar.

Still there elliemae or have you left the building??

We owe the american institution of pork BBQ to African slaves. The slaves were tossed the comparatively inedible ribs and shoulder cuts of the pork, while the slave masters would eat high on the hog tenderloin and chop cuts. The slaves perfected the low and slow process of cooking ribs and pulled pork shoulder in a BBQ pit. That is huge in my book.

Also, I can't remember the exact quote, but Sitting Bull noted that the (paraphrased) "white man knows not how to live with the land. He leaves scars on Mother Earth everywhere he goes." So surfingerman thinks european culture, european values, and european morals should be held as the father figure over other lessor cultures. Tell me surfingerman, what European culture doesn't leave scars on the earth as a byproduct?

I think we have a lot to learn from those primitive people's you seem to scorn so much.

RayAmerica says

elliemae says

Oh, I doubt that. All you must do is open your mouth and your anger identifies you.

RayAmerica says

You have, along with numerous other lies, accused me of being a “racist that hates blacks,” a “follower of Hitler,” etc. Now is the time to prove or disprove whether or not you are the liar I know you to be. Copy and paste here for all to see the quotes where I have EVER praised Hitler, attacked Black people, displayed racism in any way. Go ahead ellie. Prove yourself to be either an honest person or a shameless liar.

Still there elliemae or have you left the building??

yawn.

read your own posts - I mean, really read them, rather than just be thrilled that your words are online, and you'll see how your anger is targeted toward everyone else. Look in the mirror, dude.

And your obsession with me is really creepy.

elliemae says

read your own posts - I mean, really read them, rather than just be thrilled that your words are online, and you’ll see how your anger is targeted toward everyone else. Look in the mirror, dude.
And your obsession with me is really creepy.

What's really "creepy" is a "Jewish woman" that lies and slanders as if she's a clone of Joseph Goebbels and then pretends to play the high moral ground.

You didn't copy and paste one single comment made by me in which, as YOU claim, I "hate blacks," am a "racist," and an "admirer of Hitler." Why? Because not one exists.

Thanks for proving my point: your silence proves you are in fact one horrendous LIAR.

Louis CK - Being White
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

pkennedy says

Louis CK - Being White
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

Thanks,.. very funny stuff, he's hilarious. (don't check it out Ray,...it's racist).

RayAmerica says

Thanks for proving my point: your silence proves you are in fact one horrendous LIAR.

yawn. you're boorish.

elliemae says

RayAmerica says

Thanks for proving my point: your silence proves you are in fact one horrendous LIAR.

yawn. you’re boorish.

D'oh! You said "boorish." Oh well, it still works.

I demand that you take that photo of my ex down! :)

i think her parents read this book

elliemae says

yawn. you’re boorish.

Further proof from ellie "I can't prove Rayray is a Hitler loving racist like I've claimed" mae. LOL !!!

Thanks for continuing to prove you are a baseless liar ellie!!

RayAmerica says

I firmly believe radical, leftist, liberalism is in fact destroying this country via their policies.

This country has steadily moved to the right, since at least the 80s. At this point moderate republicans are being forced out of congress. "The middle" is so far to the right of where it was even 15 years ago that I can't believe it.

And we still have the moronic types who can't even scratch the surface of what's going on. If we are doomed, it's because people become so biased with this absurd our team against their team mentality, that democracy no longer works as well as it needs to.

RayAmerica says

elliemae says

yawn. you’re boorish.

Further proof from ellie “I can’t prove Rayray is a Hitler loving racist like I’ve claimed” mae. LOL !!!
Thanks for continuing to prove you are a baseless liar ellie!!

You're welcome, rayray. I don't have to justify myself to you and provide proof of anything. All that one must do is read your many, many posts attacking me and others to understand your agenda. Your inability to accept that people have opinions other than yours and your obvious obsession with me is creepy, really creepy. Your constant personal attacks on me lost their "bite" long ago, if they ever had any.

Antisocial personalities such as yours lack the ability to understand that the world doesn't revolve around you.

I was browsing some previous posts for another purpose and saw some old friends who left the forum - I'm willing to bet that your incessant boorish posts and personal attacks as well as your inability to discuss anything other than your hatred of pretty much anyone who disagrees with you had everything to do with the mass exodus. You are a troll who hijacks every thread, and you obviously feel the need to believe that you have "won" every argument when in actuality people are running away in droves.

You must be so proud. and used to it. Here's a tip, rayray: it can't always be someone else's fault.

Again, very typical of how the left LIES and gets deeply offended when they are challenged to provide PROOF for their allegations. Elliemae (the leftist) has repeatedly attacked me (the conservative) for being a "racist that hates all blacks," a "Hitler follower, admirer, etc." a "child molester, rapist, etc."

When she is challenged to copy and paste ONE SINGLE statement I have ever made on this site to verify ANY of the above, this is how this LEFTIST RADICAL responds:

elliemae says

I don’t have to justify myself to you and provide proof of anything.

I personally couldn't care less what little elliemae thinks of me. I only post this as an example of how incredibly dangerous the radical left really is. This is the same spirit that gave us the political correctness movement, the Fairness Doctrine, the Hate Speech legislation, etc. If they are not checked, more of this radicalism will be coming our way until America is no longer the "land of the free."