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Bap33 said:
Soooo , if the libs want to save all these stupid FB’s,

Silly rabbit, they only talk about saving the FB's. They don't really give a sh*t one way or another, because once they are in power, their policies will result in the creation of another new class of losers that they can appeal to in the next election circus.

SP

Randy H,

Thanks for the chuckle care of your Realtor (TM) fan:

What is a "hippocrit"? Is it related to a hippogriff (Potter fans)? Is it a critical hippopotamus?

If you and your pathatic internet friends get your way only assholes like you all will own the beutiful houses in mill Valley.

Yes, we are all truly "pathatic," and we all want "beutiful" houses.

We hope that good men like Barak Obama or Hillary will put taxes on you to teach you all a lesson for wishing to hurt so many people.

Why the royal "We"? Or is she the spokeswoman for all dumbass Realtors (TM) in Mill Valley? Also, I didn't realize Hillary was a he. News to me, although I'm not that surprised. :)

skibum,

You're a doctor, I'm surprised you didn't notice Hillary's a man. Or maybe she's a woman now, whatever polls better.

Hey, at least she spelled "lose" correctly.

Randy, you have interesting Haterz. ;)

Re: debates about abortion for Randy :

The point I was trying to make is that a person who is against most of RPs social policies is still willing to not only vote for, but donate money to his campaign because he's basically the only guy with sane ideas about fiscal policy in the race.

There is NO candidate for me. Socially liberal (that doesn't mean I love SS) and fiscally conservative (see? That means I don't love SS! Stupid government bankrupting me for lazy old people!) The fact that democrats and republicans are all basically fiscally irresponsible right now is the problem. They just can't agree on what to waste our money on is all.

Bottom Line ...

I can not and will not vote for Democraps in 2008 ...

They just can’t agree on what to waste our money on is all.

Well said.

We needed a non-politico money man to fix money troubles

I agree. Bill Gates for president!!!

Speaking of Gates I am a bit upset that he is no longer the richest man in the world. I doubt he cares though.

Hopefully, Gates can retake the throne very soon. :(

I got a strange letter from the Federal Shadow Minister for Housing in an election year after a housing summit stating that the Labor (opposition) policy will be:

1) keep 'interest rates' low
2) put $1.1 bn into social housing and affordable housing solutions, by building rentals pegged at 20% below 'market rates', whatever they are

How the govt intends to 'keep interest rates low' when they are pegged by an arms-length reserve bank responding to national and international economic conditions is beyond me.

Unless they take control of pegging interest rates for housing loans and re-regulate the industry heavily -- fine with me.

My solution: nationalise housing, peg the price of everything at half what it is now, tie it to CPI, and shoot anyone who complains. Any complaints? Didn't think so...

@Kjac22

Not sure I understand this comment, at least in the context of Obama’s comments in the FT. His statement concerning APR is correct, relating to mortgages, as an apples to apples comparison for rates/fees being charged by the broker.

If I'm too harsh on you, please excuse me.

Barack is categorically wrong in his statement. I'll demonstrate why:

He said these were subprime borrowers facing impending crisis of losing their homes. That means they have variable rate, teaser, interest-option/interest-only and/or negatively amortizing loans. None of these folks have either (a) large equity positions or (b) fixed rate standard amortizing loans. If they had (a) or (b) then they wouldn't need Barack's proposed government nanny-bailout.

As such is the case, we calculate the *effective* rate as:

EAR=((1+APR/n)^n)-1

Similar to how a credit card is calculate. In fact, as HARM and all the good folk here have proven ad nauseum here over the past 2.5 years, a huge portion of these folks actually have explicit revolving credit lines atop their dubious, negatively amortizing adjustable rate primary mortgages. For them, the EAR is explicitly the above formula added to a modified version of the formula yet again, which subtracts from the principal payment the amount forced into future reamortization because of the burden of the equity line.

If I wasn't trying to be diplomatic I could have said about Mr. Obama, instead: he is naive, cynical, or ignorant. A "Home Score system" like he proposes is practically impossible without almost total government regulation of all aspects of the real estate value chain. Since he apparently is unconcerned about the behavior of the powerful Realtor(tm) lobby -- after all they do contribute heavily -- all his "Home Score system" would result in is a transference of even more power to the entirely unregulated, often entirely unethical real estate industry. At least the banks are honest actors trying to maximize their profits. Realtors are not honest actors in that they have a systematic conflict of interest in their agency structure.

If Barack really cares to protect home buyers "reaching for the American dream" then why doesn't he simply insist upon imposing fiduciary responsibility upon Realtors? Who the hell do you think talked all these people into taking on suicide loans at the ground level? It wasn't the big, evil guys with monocles and cigars in the back room of the banks. It was the woman in the leased Lexus.

Owning a home represents a big part of the American dream and all Americans — no matter what their income level — should have the power to reach for that dream.

To dissect Obama's statements some more, possibly ad nauseum, why does no one question his (and many others')assumptions that *all* Americans should be able to reach the "dream" of homeownership? So, someone on welfare should be able to own a home? Someone with a minimum wage job should be able to take out a NINJA loan and "buy" a home? Oh, wait, that's what's already been happening for the last 5 years!

EBGuy Says:
Has anyone seen the Bank of America ARM Reset Chart.

The most interesting thing is the peak of Jumbo-ARM resets in April 09. That seems to be a "Bay Area Easter Special".

SP

OT, but I just read that over the next couple of days, the Fed's annual symposium will be taking place at Jackson Hole. The topic? "Housing and Monetary Policy." Should be a good one.

It will be VERY interesting to see what Bendover Ben has to say. Apparently, the raging debate is whether or not asset prices (ie, housing prices) should be part of the Fed's targets for its monetary policy. That is, should the Fed raise interest rates in large part because of rising housing prices to avert an asset bubble in housing? It seems Ben-dover has argued in the past that the answer is, "no." The Fed should strictly target its preferred inflation measures and not stock/housing/credit/etc bubbles.

I'm sure the other big behind the scenes talks (I'm picturing a bunch of economists and other types chatting it up at the Mangy Moose) will be about, "how the fuck did we get from subprime loans to "AAA" rated MBS' to hedge funds collapsing left and right?"

To dissect Obama’s statements some more, possibly ad nauseum, why does no one question his (and many others’)assumptions that *all* Americans should be able to reach the “dream” of homeownership?

It was just pure rhetorics. Not-very-good rhetorics. Let's try to decipher greenspeakbenspeak instead.

It will be VERY interesting to see what Bendover Ben has to say.

Remember Donald Kohn...

Ben can always point to Kohn's speech on April 22, 2005 and say, "Don't tell me we didn't warn ya."

http://www.federalreserve.gov/Boarddocs/speeches/2005/20050422/default.htm

skibum, you are making me laugh. :lol:

I still think Ron Paul should redo his buttons. If I see that photo on Sunday's newspaper in the real estate section, I may not even call him up for an open house.

Well, at least we are back to the 100-comments-a-day days. ;)

And that's even without any real trolls around anymore!

Well, if we continue to comment on the number of comments, the number of comments will go even higher!

Well, if we continue to comment on the number of comments, the number of comments will go even higher!

Huh?

BTW, trolls will always be lurking. However, they do not bother us anymore because it is increasing apparent that we have been right.

But I am a looser because I have not been able profit from what we have predicted yet. :(

Well, if we continue to comment on the number of comments, the number of comments will go even higher!

Huh?

You see, with just this exchange, 4 more comments were added to this thread!

BTW, trolls now apparently email Randy H directly!

You see, with just this exchange, 4 more comments were added to this thread!

How is that my fault?

BTW, trolls now apparently email Randy H directly!

Haterz are not the same as trolls.

patrick supports ron paul, apparently, as per the home page...

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/213?ref=patrick.net

But I am a looser because I have not been able profit from what we have predicted yet.

hey, just go to a 'how to profit from foreclosures' seminar! perhaps the one seminar casey didn't get to on his credit card!

I think many regulars here like Ron Paul. Apparently, he is also highly rated among internet users.

DS, how is the weather down there?

I’m sure the other big behind the scenes talks (I’m picturing a bunch of economists and other types chatting it up at the Mangy Moose) will be about, “how the fuck did we get from subprime loans to “AAA” rated MBS’ to hedge funds collapsing left and right?”

hmm. the banks and other lenders deliberately liberalised credit, offered a slew of new products, knowingly increased their risk profile, etc etc. they were absolutely sure a few short years ago that 'if we lend more money to more people, somehow they seem to keep paying -- they don't want to lose their houses, after all -- they'll make any sacrifice before then! we can gouge a whole new pile of people! and let's give them higher credit limits on CCs too!'

spring is sprung, the grass is riz...

the weather has gotten much warmer in the last week or so -- spring officially starts on 1 Sep. 3 weeks of much needed rain just prior also. you can see the forecast for a week at www.smh.com.au if you click the weather link -- but you have to convert °C to °F...

hey, just go to a ‘how to profit from foreclosures’ seminar! perhaps the one seminar casey didn’t get to on his credit card!

go to organize

skibum said:
Why the royal “We”?

I don't know - maybe "Linda The Licensed Realtor" has lice.

SP

yes, when everyone is looking for gold, sell shovels... just cobble together a seminar from all the other seminars, and charge, ooh, i dunno, $4,000, for this 'investment in your education' -- after all, you will make back 10x the cost of the seminar in your first year of trading property! chapter 1: 'how to make money in property even when prices are falling' -- that one always gets 'em in...

I have a question regarding jumbo loan.

When I look up the recent buyer's loan profile, many seems to do their loans the following way:
$650-1000K ARM (clearly jumbo category)
$50K-100K fixed

why would someone do their mortgage this way? Tax reason?

Randy--That letter is priceless.

This just seems like so much political posturing to me. I mean, Obama wouldn't even be in office for over a year (presuming he got into office) anyway. So he can say whatever he wants; promise any kind of bailout he wants; because in the end everything he is supposedly offering would be waaaay too late to do any good.

The fact is, the worst part of this will probably occur before we know who our next president is going to be.

I enjoyed the Bernanke letter. A casual reader sees only reassurances and helpful suggestions. Schumer can have little doubt about the message it contains for him. Very well done.

On the other hand, I'd file the Obama quotes under boilerplate. Legislators and candidates cannot find a poster child. There isn't one.

Linda seems a little out of temper, doesn't she?

John T Reed has even written a piece on Obama now, in his usual inimitable style. While not relevant to the bailout policy, it reinforces the point made above that big party politicians will say anything to capture votes. John Kerry particularly fell prey to this last time round. As per the knee-jerk 'we will keep interest rates low' pseudo-policy of the Labor party so as not to upset anyone at all.

The only party approaching honesty left in this country is the Greens, the third biggest party, although I should properly be allied with Labor, if it wasn't so full of apparatchiks, liars, sell-outs and closeted right-wingers.

http://www.johntreed.com/Obama.html

"or should I say Randolph"

Quite the "sleuth" huh! The man only has a standing invite to his web-site by clicking on his screen name, has given his full name on numerous occassions and has in no way made any effort to "conceal" his true identity!

With powers of deductive reasoning like this it's small wonder "Linda the Licensed" is a Top Producer (TM) :)

C'mon, if her leased Lexus got towed it would take her 3 days to find it! What's next? You're going to once and for all reveal the true identity of the Zodiac Killer!? I can't wait.

What's your take on the subprime mortgage crisis?

The problem will get worse. 68%

The worst is behind us. 33%

27666 Votes to date

What’s next? You’re going to once and for all reveal the true identity of the Zodiac Killer!? I can’t wait.

Nah, I think she'll find Nicole Simpson's REAL killers. And she'll find Osama while she's at it.

StuckinBA,

I agree, the pressure on Ben going forward will be immense. Like you, I'm reluctant to give my "full seal of approval" just yet but if you've read his letter to Schumer (and I suspect you have) he is full of empathy... yet offers... basically nothing? So far he's resisted subtle suggestions (from DL) blown gasket tirades from Jim Cramer and an "end run" by none other than Bill Gross.

Ultimately, he'll have to "throw them a bone" to shut them up and keep the peace but unless it's anything more than a token act I'll continue to give him my vote of confidence. FWIW.

Are there any foreign economies experiencing problems in their own MBSecurities, and not just fretting about ours?

I ask because I think Bernanke would find a much clearer path for setting a lower target rate if there were one or two majors with good reason to do the same.

BoJ has almost no room to move, obviously. But surely there are bubbles expanding in London and Paris?