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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 25, 11:36am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 25, 11:36am
KgK one says
I agree if you mean the Israeli government. They've been embattled by their people for a year, but this false flag seems to be making it worse. This outlook is a key staple of despotic regimes. Their government loves Israel(power of the state), but hates the Israeli people.
Israel has no choice, fight or die.
I agree if you mean the Israeli government. They've been embattled by their people for a year, but this false flag seems to be making it worse. This outlook is a key staple of despotic regimes. Their government loves Israel(power of the state), but hates the Israeli people.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 25, 8:21pm
Patrick
2023 Oct 25, 8:21pm
https://palexander.substack.com/p/pippa-bacca-do-you-remember-pippa
Yes, such a thing could happen anywhere, but Islam specifically grants all Muslim men the right to rape all non-Muslim women.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/female-al-azhar-prof-allah-allows-muslims-to-rape-non-muslim-women
Pippa Bacca: do you remember Pippa? I do so let me remind you; Pippa hitchhiked across the Middle East to promote world peace in a wedding dress; she was raped & murdered by islamic males in Turkey
Yes, such a thing could happen anywhere, but Islam specifically grants all Muslim men the right to rape all non-Muslim women.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/female-al-azhar-prof-allah-allows-muslims-to-rape-non-muslim-women
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Blue
2023 Oct 25, 8:53pm
gabbar says
She is 23 years who refused to "marry" neighborhood religious leader brother of 58 years old! This is what left and liberals are craving for and allowing them to immigrate.
EDIT:She is 19 years old Rokhshana who ignored a request from Islamic cleric mullah Yosuf's 58 years brother who wanted to rape/marry her!
New meaning to a stone's throw. Allah ho akbar
She is 23 years who refused to "marry" neighborhood religious leader brother of 58 years old! This is what left and liberals are craving for and allowing them to immigrate.
EDIT:She is 19 years old Rokhshana who ignored a request from Islamic cleric mullah Yosuf's 58 years brother who wanted to rape/marry her!
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AD
2023 Oct 25, 11:13pm
AD
2023 Oct 25, 11:13pm
Blue says
The Left (i..e, Woke and white liberal types) need this.
They use third-world barbaric immigrants as a tool as it helps weaken their resistance (Republicans, 2nd amendment and free enterprise libertarians, etc).
So they want massive importation as part of "fundamental change of America". Its a combo of anarcho tyranny, Cloward Piven strategy, etc.
When the system collapses, the Left believes they will be in charge to implement their solutions.
That is why they ruthlessly act as "ends justify the means" and "by any means necessary".
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gabbar says
New meaning to a stone's throw. Allah ho akbar
She is 23 years who refused to "marry" neighborhood religious leader brother of 58 years old! This is what left and liberals are craving for and allowing them to immigrate.
The Left (i..e, Woke and white liberal types) need this.
They use third-world barbaric immigrants as a tool as it helps weaken their resistance (Republicans, 2nd amendment and free enterprise libertarians, etc).
So they want massive importation as part of "fundamental change of America". Its a combo of anarcho tyranny, Cloward Piven strategy, etc.
When the system collapses, the Left believes they will be in charge to implement their solutions.
That is why they ruthlessly act as "ends justify the means" and "by any means necessary".
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 26, 10:21am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 26, 10:21am
You know if you guys only ever quote the extremists and cults, you'll find EVERY religion advocates violence. Buddhism might be the only exception. Malcolm X, a man who I think the establishment over-hyped as a threat, still had a noticeable change in demeanor after returning from Mecca. I personally know Muslims who would never advocate any of the extremist views you guys link to here.
I mean, should we view Christianity only through the Jones Town massacre, or the Crusades? Is Salem a good representation? Maybe the Inquisition?
Extremist views can be found almost anywhere, but they never represent the majority. Slanting your outlook in this way makes you a racist, a bigot, and an extremist, because you start justifying the same measure being used against others.
This outlook isn't pulling anyone up, it's only pulling you down.
I mean, should we view Christianity only through the Jones Town massacre, or the Crusades? Is Salem a good representation? Maybe the Inquisition?
Extremist views can be found almost anywhere, but they never represent the majority. Slanting your outlook in this way makes you a racist, a bigot, and an extremist, because you start justifying the same measure being used against others.
This outlook isn't pulling anyone up, it's only pulling you down.
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stereotomy
2023 Oct 26, 10:26am
stereotomy
2023 Oct 26, 10:26am
Blue says
Too bad. There are precious few non-branch-swinger genes left in the female pool. I guess the musselmen all want opportunistic war-brides and no loyal women whatsoever.
Then again, she could have been a very good looking, but self-entitled bitch.
Who knows how things work in Taliban Town?
gabbar says
New meaning to a stone's throw. Allah ho akbar
She is 23 years who refused to "marry" neighborhood religious leader brother of 58 years old! This is what left and liberals are craving for and allowing them to immigrate.
EDIT:She is 19 years old Rokhshana who ignored a request from Islamic cleric mullah Yosuf's 58 years brother who wanted to rape/marry her!
Too bad. There are precious few non-branch-swinger genes left in the female pool. I guess the musselmen all want opportunistic war-brides and no loyal women whatsoever.
Then again, she could have been a very good looking, but self-entitled bitch.
Who knows how things work in Taliban Town?
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Patrick
2023 Oct 26, 10:49am
Patrick
2023 Oct 26, 10:49am
NuttBoxer says
The difference is that Islam was ultra-violent right from the beginning, when Mohammed massacred the Jews he captured, and approved of the murders of a 100 year old man and a pregnant woman, both of whom had criticized Mohammed.
Murder of those who refuse to submit is the very essence of Islam. No other religion teaches murder like Islam does. Not even remotely close.
The bad things done by Christians were done in spite of the teachings of Jesus.
The bad things done by Muslims were and are still being done in order to follow the teachings of Mohammed.
There is no website like this one for any other religion, because no other religion commits such extreme violence all around the world on a regular basis:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
I mean, should we view Christianity only through the Jones Town massacre, or the Crusades? Is Salem a good representation? Maybe the Inquisition?
The difference is that Islam was ultra-violent right from the beginning, when Mohammed massacred the Jews he captured, and approved of the murders of a 100 year old man and a pregnant woman, both of whom had criticized Mohammed.
Murder of those who refuse to submit is the very essence of Islam. No other religion teaches murder like Islam does. Not even remotely close.
The bad things done by Christians were done in spite of the teachings of Jesus.
The bad things done by Muslims were and are still being done in order to follow the teachings of Mohammed.
There is no website like this one for any other religion, because no other religion commits such extreme violence all around the world on a regular basis:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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gabbar
2023 Oct 26, 11:03am
gabbar
2023 Oct 26, 11:03am
Islam -- like most religions -- is not simply a peaceful faith misrepresented by extremists. The only problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam. To call Islam a religion of peace ... is completely delusional. - Sam Harris, Neuroscientist, Stanford University
Jihad Watch
https://www.jihadwatch.org/
Jihad Watch
https://www.jihadwatch.org/
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gabbar
2023 Oct 26, 1:58pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 26, 1:58pm
Now, these motherfoockers have the audacity to complain about the collective punishment by Israel.
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stereotomy
2023 Oct 26, 2:06pm
stereotomy
2023 Oct 26, 2:06pm
gabbar says
WTF.
I guess the mussellman thinks any female hole is a golden opportunity, despite being under complete anesthesia. Then again, maybe why this agitprop has ben leaked at his time.
I don't know if there's a woman alive who deserves to be raped, and I hope that I never encounter one.
WTF.
I guess the mussellman thinks any female hole is a golden opportunity, despite being under complete anesthesia. Then again, maybe why this agitprop has ben leaked at his time.
I don't know if there's a woman alive who deserves to be raped, and I hope that I never encounter one.
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socal2
2023 Oct 26, 2:31pm
NuttBoxer says
Comparing acts from Christians hundreds year ago to Islam TODAY - is not the flex you think it is.
Also - Jonestown? It was a Commie/Marxist slave camp more than anything else.
I mean, should we view Christianity only through the Jones Town massacre, or the Crusades? Is Salem a good representation? Maybe the Inquisition?
Comparing acts from Christians hundreds year ago to Islam TODAY - is not the flex you think it is.
Also - Jonestown? It was a Commie/Marxist slave camp more than anything else.
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Eric Holder
2023 Oct 26, 2:38pm
Eric Holder
2023 Oct 26, 2:38pm
socal2 says
Yep, it's like blaiming Khmer Rouge genocidal rampage on Buddism.
Also - Jonestown? It was a Commie/Marxist slave camp more than anything else.
Yep, it's like blaiming Khmer Rouge genocidal rampage on Buddism.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 26, 3:12pm
Patrick
2023 Oct 26, 3:12pm
https://palexander.substack.com/p/remember-when-2-scandinavian-female
Remember when 2 Scandinavian female backpackers were raped and beheaded in Morocco by muslim islamist jihadists?
‘Two Scandinavian women were found brutally murdered during a hiking trip through Morocco's Atlas Mountains and authorities are investigating it as a possible act of terrorism after a graphic video surfaced on social media appearing to show one of the victims being beheaded.
Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, and Maren Ueland, 28, had been camping in the Atlas Mountains as part of a month-long trek through Morocco when they were killed. Jespersen was from Denmark and Ueland from Norway, but the pair had been attending college together.
Their bodies were discovered Monday by French hikers, who reported one of the women was found inside a tent while the other was found just outside it. One of the bodies had been beheaded while the other had a deep wound to the neck.
"It was horrible. They were broken," one of the hikers who discovered the bodies said, according to news.com.au. "We warned everyone we saw in Imlil not to go up there. I did not want more to see what we had seen. ... It was a big shock, we're thinking about it all day."
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gabbar
2023 Oct 26, 6:35pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 26, 6:35pm
When most Westerners, especially the secular ones, think of religion they think of something they have seen in their own cultures and societies, i.e., Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.
And quite naturally, since most of them lack the insight and knowledge to understand Islam properly, they tend to lump it in with the other religions. That is a big mistake.
Islam can be properly described as a totalitarian way of life and a highly effective system of conquest, disguised as a religion.
Islam is totalitarian, not just in the sense of theocratic and dictatorial regimes, but also in the sense that there is virtually no part of a believer’s life that is not touched or influenced in some manner by it.
Virtually everything a Muslim does is influenced or guided by his faith, by Sharia law, or both.
In this sense, free will as Westerners and other non-Muslims understand it, is anathema to those inhabiting Dar al-Islam, the “House of Islam.”
Likewise, there is no real analog to the Western notion of liberty or freedom. The Arabic word most closely corresponding to “freedom” is typically said to be “hurriya,” but this is false for the term does not correspond to “liberty” or “freedom” in the sense that an American, for example, would understand it.
It instead means “freedom” to do as “Allah wills” for that individual.
Many traditional religious faiths and systems have laws or codes of law which attach to them.
What makes Sharia (Islamic) law unique, however, is that in theory, it applies not only to Muslims but to non-Muslims as well. At least that is what the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sira command.
Non-Muslims or kafirs, also known as infidels, ~ are denied the most basic of human rights under Islamic suzerainty.
They are most often akin to slaves, serfs, or supplicants, and even those non-Muslim dhimmis who serve a useful purpose to the sultan or caliph and survive on that basis, are still treated with inhuman brutality and can be beaten or slain at the whim of any Muslim male.
Most Westerners are familiar with the history of slavery, but how many know that Muslims have been the greatest slavers in history?
Which is to say, the most prolific takers, buyers, and sellers of slaves in history.
Even today, in many parts of the Islamic world, the Arabic word for slave, “Abd,” is synonymous with the slang or informal word for a black man.
Although the Muslims took many millions of black Africans as slaves, they likewise took many millions of Europeans and other peoples as slaves from temperate climates further north, venturing as far north as Ireland and Iceland on slave-taking raids.
As some of you may know, the very first war fought by the United States as an independent nation was the Barbary War of 1801-1805 (with a brief flare-up in 1815), fought against Islamic raiders and pirates off the coast of North Africa.
These nautical jihadists had been seizing American shipping and holding the passengers and cargo for ransom.
President Thomas Jefferson grew tired of their demands and sent the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps to Tripoli to teach them a lesson.
Various Islamic potentates, rulers, and warlords have infamously slain infidels by the multitudes down through the centuries.
According to the work of historians and political scientists who have studied such phenomena, the greatest or largest single genocide in human history was committed by the Islamic Mughal Empire in what is now the Indian sub-continent over a period of years in the 15th century.
During that time, an estimated 270 million Hindus and other non-Muslims were put to the sword.
So many were slain that the streets ran with blood and giant pyramids of human skulls were erected by the soldiers of Allah.
Of course, many other empires and nations have committed acts of genocide, but such wanton bloodletting is impressive even by the standards of the worst tyrants of the 20th century, who had modern industrial warfare and weapons at their disposal but did not manage to even approach the totals of the Mughal Empire.
Historians consider the Armenian genocide (1915-1921) to be the first “modern” genocide since it was the first such atrocity that was recorded by still and motion-picture photography.
The Sunni Muslim Ottoman Empire in what is now modern-day Turkey was responsible for it and even today, under the government of Recep Erdogan, the president of Turkey, it is still a crime to speak or write of the extermination of the Armenians and Greeks, most of whom were Christians.
Anyone who has seen the haunting photos of young girls, Christian virgins, crucified by their captors and slowly dying in the hot sun in the desert, will never forget them.
These basic historical facts about Islam used to be widely known and taught across the West, but they have been politely airbrushed out of our history in recent decades, and now few people know of them …. or the danger presented by the soldiers of Allah.
https://twitter.com/ImtiazMadmood/status/1717636034102517830
And quite naturally, since most of them lack the insight and knowledge to understand Islam properly, they tend to lump it in with the other religions. That is a big mistake.
Islam can be properly described as a totalitarian way of life and a highly effective system of conquest, disguised as a religion.
Islam is totalitarian, not just in the sense of theocratic and dictatorial regimes, but also in the sense that there is virtually no part of a believer’s life that is not touched or influenced in some manner by it.
Virtually everything a Muslim does is influenced or guided by his faith, by Sharia law, or both.
In this sense, free will as Westerners and other non-Muslims understand it, is anathema to those inhabiting Dar al-Islam, the “House of Islam.”
Likewise, there is no real analog to the Western notion of liberty or freedom. The Arabic word most closely corresponding to “freedom” is typically said to be “hurriya,” but this is false for the term does not correspond to “liberty” or “freedom” in the sense that an American, for example, would understand it.
It instead means “freedom” to do as “Allah wills” for that individual.
Many traditional religious faiths and systems have laws or codes of law which attach to them.
What makes Sharia (Islamic) law unique, however, is that in theory, it applies not only to Muslims but to non-Muslims as well. At least that is what the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sira command.
Non-Muslims or kafirs, also known as infidels, ~ are denied the most basic of human rights under Islamic suzerainty.
They are most often akin to slaves, serfs, or supplicants, and even those non-Muslim dhimmis who serve a useful purpose to the sultan or caliph and survive on that basis, are still treated with inhuman brutality and can be beaten or slain at the whim of any Muslim male.
Most Westerners are familiar with the history of slavery, but how many know that Muslims have been the greatest slavers in history?
Which is to say, the most prolific takers, buyers, and sellers of slaves in history.
Even today, in many parts of the Islamic world, the Arabic word for slave, “Abd,” is synonymous with the slang or informal word for a black man.
Although the Muslims took many millions of black Africans as slaves, they likewise took many millions of Europeans and other peoples as slaves from temperate climates further north, venturing as far north as Ireland and Iceland on slave-taking raids.
As some of you may know, the very first war fought by the United States as an independent nation was the Barbary War of 1801-1805 (with a brief flare-up in 1815), fought against Islamic raiders and pirates off the coast of North Africa.
These nautical jihadists had been seizing American shipping and holding the passengers and cargo for ransom.
President Thomas Jefferson grew tired of their demands and sent the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps to Tripoli to teach them a lesson.
Various Islamic potentates, rulers, and warlords have infamously slain infidels by the multitudes down through the centuries.
According to the work of historians and political scientists who have studied such phenomena, the greatest or largest single genocide in human history was committed by the Islamic Mughal Empire in what is now the Indian sub-continent over a period of years in the 15th century.
During that time, an estimated 270 million Hindus and other non-Muslims were put to the sword.
So many were slain that the streets ran with blood and giant pyramids of human skulls were erected by the soldiers of Allah.
Of course, many other empires and nations have committed acts of genocide, but such wanton bloodletting is impressive even by the standards of the worst tyrants of the 20th century, who had modern industrial warfare and weapons at their disposal but did not manage to even approach the totals of the Mughal Empire.
Historians consider the Armenian genocide (1915-1921) to be the first “modern” genocide since it was the first such atrocity that was recorded by still and motion-picture photography.
The Sunni Muslim Ottoman Empire in what is now modern-day Turkey was responsible for it and even today, under the government of Recep Erdogan, the president of Turkey, it is still a crime to speak or write of the extermination of the Armenians and Greeks, most of whom were Christians.
Anyone who has seen the haunting photos of young girls, Christian virgins, crucified by their captors and slowly dying in the hot sun in the desert, will never forget them.
These basic historical facts about Islam used to be widely known and taught across the West, but they have been politely airbrushed out of our history in recent decades, and now few people know of them …. or the danger presented by the soldiers of Allah.
https://twitter.com/ImtiazMadmood/status/1717636034102517830
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AD
2023 Oct 26, 6:53pm
AD
2023 Oct 26, 6:53pm
gabbar says
Its a more violent cult than Scientology and has been around at least 1200 years.
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Virtually everything a Muslim does is influenced or guided by his faith, by Sharia law, or both.
Its a more violent cult than Scientology and has been around at least 1200 years.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 7:58am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 7:58am
Patrick says
So all the people I mentioned who don't believe this aren't Muslims? Your view is typical of someone(especially American's) who has never been a part of another culture but pretend to know all about them.
Maybe read a little Old Testament sometime. Israel put the tribes in the promised land to the sword, everyone. Old, young, male, female, ALL of them. By God's command.
Or the Torah, plenty of places violence is advocated, especially the books not included in the Bible.
And I don't hear you saying the same thing about Hindu's who follow Shiva, despite numerous documented attacks by them in India on Muslims.
When your viewpoint is so one-sided(no mention of violence in other religions), ignore all Muslims I've ever met or read about, your viewpoint becomes as extremist as the people you condemn. How is that helpful to you or anyone?
The bad things done by Muslims were and are still being done in order to follow the teachings of Mohammed.
So all the people I mentioned who don't believe this aren't Muslims? Your view is typical of someone(especially American's) who has never been a part of another culture but pretend to know all about them.
Maybe read a little Old Testament sometime. Israel put the tribes in the promised land to the sword, everyone. Old, young, male, female, ALL of them. By God's command.
Or the Torah, plenty of places violence is advocated, especially the books not included in the Bible.
And I don't hear you saying the same thing about Hindu's who follow Shiva, despite numerous documented attacks by them in India on Muslims.
When your viewpoint is so one-sided(no mention of violence in other religions), ignore all Muslims I've ever met or read about, your viewpoint becomes as extremist as the people you condemn. How is that helpful to you or anyone?
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socal2
2023 Oct 27, 8:08am
NuttBoxer says
Good thing Jews no longer act like Bronze Age barbarians like their ancestors 4000 years ago!
If only Islam would get with the times......
Maybe read a little Old Testament sometime. Israel put the tribes in the promised land to the sword, everyone. Old, young, male, female, ALL of them. By God's command.
Good thing Jews no longer act like Bronze Age barbarians like their ancestors 4000 years ago!
If only Islam would get with the times......
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:30am
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:30am
NuttBoxer says
Peaceful Muslims are not following the teachings of Mohammed, which command violence. This is a contradiction for them, and they know it.
Yes, the Old Testament has a lot of crazy shit in it too, especially about wiping out the previous inhabitants of Israel, but I've read the whole bible, and nowhere does it command Jews to convert the world by violence. Nor that the women of other groups are fair game for rape.
I admit Judaism does say that Israel belongs to the Jews and that this is the primary cause of the problems in Israel. A lot of religious Jews take it literally, just like a lot of religious Muslims take literally the Koranic teaching that the entire earth belongs to Islam and that all in opposition must be slaughtered.
In fact, Islam is just a simplified and universalized form of Judaism, with Mohammed and violent conquest and rape added in.
So all the people I mentioned who don't believe this aren't Muslims?
Peaceful Muslims are not following the teachings of Mohammed, which command violence. This is a contradiction for them, and they know it.
Yes, the Old Testament has a lot of crazy shit in it too, especially about wiping out the previous inhabitants of Israel, but I've read the whole bible, and nowhere does it command Jews to convert the world by violence. Nor that the women of other groups are fair game for rape.
I admit Judaism does say that Israel belongs to the Jews and that this is the primary cause of the problems in Israel. A lot of religious Jews take it literally, just like a lot of religious Muslims take literally the Koranic teaching that the entire earth belongs to Islam and that all in opposition must be slaughtered.
In fact, Islam is just a simplified and universalized form of Judaism, with Mohammed and violent conquest and rape added in.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:40am
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:40am
NuttBoxer says
The violence of other religions is tiny by comparison to Islam.
Islam is so vastly more violent than all other religions put together, that it's comical to even compare them. You cannot come up with any list like this for any other religion:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
The way this helps everyone is by addressing the root cause of all this violence: Islam itself. Until that truth can be spoken, Islamic murder and rape will continue unabated.
When your viewpoint is so one-sided(no mention of violence in other religions), ignore all Muslims I've ever met or read about, your viewpoint becomes as extremist as the people you condemn. How is that helpful to you or anyone?
The violence of other religions is tiny by comparison to Islam.
Islam is so vastly more violent than all other religions put together, that it's comical to even compare them. You cannot come up with any list like this for any other religion:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
The way this helps everyone is by addressing the root cause of all this violence: Islam itself. Until that truth can be spoken, Islamic murder and rape will continue unabated.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:44am
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:44am
@NuttBoxer Let me see if I understand your point of view correctly. You're saying that:
1. All religions are equally violent.
2. I ignore that equal share of violence committed by other religions.
Right?
1. All religions are equally violent.
2. I ignore that equal share of violence committed by other religions.
Right?
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socal2
2023 Oct 27, 9:41am
Patrick says
Islam is the rap music of the Abrahamic faiths.
Basically coming in after the fact and bastardizing the good original music.
In fact, Islam is just a simplified and universalized form of Judaism, with Mohammed and violent conquest and rape added in.
Islam is the rap music of the Abrahamic faiths.
Basically coming in after the fact and bastardizing the good original music.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 10:29am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 10:29am
You missed or forgot the comment about Buddhism. More accurately I'm saying no true religion is violent at it's core. Only cults, and extremist sects are violent in word and action. I believe the writings you reference do not reflect the beliefs or teachings of the majority of Muslims, as the actions and words of Zionists are a fringe of Judaism. Same for Hindu's, most of them are not running around killing Muslims.
The closest equivalent I can think of for Christianity are Neo-Cons. It's more subtle, but when you consider the damage in the Middle East, more insidious as well. Again, most Christians I don't believe to be Neo-Cons.
The closest equivalent I can think of for Christianity are Neo-Cons. It's more subtle, but when you consider the damage in the Middle East, more insidious as well. Again, most Christians I don't believe to be Neo-Cons.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 10:31am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 27, 10:31am
I base this on the fact that the majority of human beings are not sociopaths. Sociopaths may congregate in certain groups(government, other extremist organizations), but they are still the minority, by far!
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 11:14am
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 11:14am
NuttBoxer says
I disagree with you there.
Judaism does require the slaughter of the original inhabitants of Israel. You can read it for yourself in the Old Testament.
And Islam does require slaughter of everyone on earth who refuses to convert or pay the jizya. You can read it for yourself in the Koran and Hadith.
I do agree with you that the majority of human beings are not sociopaths, but the author of the Koran was absolutely a sociopath. The Koran is mostly a resentful screed against non-Muslims.
More accurately I'm saying no true religion is violent at it's core.
I disagree with you there.
Judaism does require the slaughter of the original inhabitants of Israel. You can read it for yourself in the Old Testament.
And Islam does require slaughter of everyone on earth who refuses to convert or pay the jizya. You can read it for yourself in the Koran and Hadith.
I do agree with you that the majority of human beings are not sociopaths, but the author of the Koran was absolutely a sociopath. The Koran is mostly a resentful screed against non-Muslims.
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komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 8:04pm
komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 8:04pm
For all the fear mongering about Islam terrorism, what terror attacks have occurred in the usa in the last 20 yrs?
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:36pm
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 8:36pm
@komputodo
2013 Boston Marathon bombing – Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon in Massachusetts.
2014 Zale H. Thomson, also known as Zaim Farouq Abdul-Malik, attacked four New York policemen in the subway with a hatchet, severely injuring one in the back of the head and injuring another policeman in the arm before being shot to death by the remaining officers, who also shot a civilian.
2015 Two gunmen attacked the Curtis Culwell Center during a 'Draw Muhammad' cartoon art exhibit in Garland, Texas. 2 dead (perpetrators) 1 injured.
2015 A civilian opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee, killing 5 military personnel.
2015 In the 2015 San Bernardino attack, married couple Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik shot and killed 14 people and injured 22 others in a killing spree that the FBI was investigating as "act of terrorism".
2016 49 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL by specifically calling police and journalists several times during the incident.
2016 New York and New Jersey bombings - three bombs exploded and several unexploded ones were found in the New York metropolitan area. The bombings left 31 people wounded, but no fatalities or life-threatening injuries were reported. Subsequently, the perpetrator has been charged with attempting to radicalized fellow jail inmates to espouse violent Islamic jihadism beliefs.
2016 Ohio State University attack, 11 people were hospitalized for injuries after a car ramming attack and mass stabbing occurred at Ohio State University. The perpetrator, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, was a Muslim Somali refugee and legal permanent resident of the United States.
2017 New York City truck attack – A man drove a pickup truck into cyclists and runners along about 1 mile (2 km) of a bicycle path in Lower Manhattan, New York City. After he left the vehicle, the driver was wielding two guns (later found to be a paintball gun and a pellet gun); he was shot in the abdomen by police and arrested. An ISIS flag and a document that read either "It will endure." or "Islamic State will endure forever." in Arabic were found in the truck.
2022 The Satanic Verses author Salman Rushie was stabbed following a 1989 fatwa by Ayatollah Khomeini, condemning him for the book's allegorical presentation of the possible validity of the so-called Satanic Verses content of the Quran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
The list is very incomplete though. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ seems to have many more, usually several a day somewhere on earth.
2013 Boston Marathon bombing – Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon in Massachusetts.
2014 Zale H. Thomson, also known as Zaim Farouq Abdul-Malik, attacked four New York policemen in the subway with a hatchet, severely injuring one in the back of the head and injuring another policeman in the arm before being shot to death by the remaining officers, who also shot a civilian.
2015 Two gunmen attacked the Curtis Culwell Center during a 'Draw Muhammad' cartoon art exhibit in Garland, Texas. 2 dead (perpetrators) 1 injured.
2015 A civilian opened fire on two military installations in Chattanooga, Tennessee, killing 5 military personnel.
2015 In the 2015 San Bernardino attack, married couple Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik shot and killed 14 people and injured 22 others in a killing spree that the FBI was investigating as "act of terrorism".
2016 49 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL by specifically calling police and journalists several times during the incident.
2016 New York and New Jersey bombings - three bombs exploded and several unexploded ones were found in the New York metropolitan area. The bombings left 31 people wounded, but no fatalities or life-threatening injuries were reported. Subsequently, the perpetrator has been charged with attempting to radicalized fellow jail inmates to espouse violent Islamic jihadism beliefs.
2016 Ohio State University attack, 11 people were hospitalized for injuries after a car ramming attack and mass stabbing occurred at Ohio State University. The perpetrator, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, was a Muslim Somali refugee and legal permanent resident of the United States.
2017 New York City truck attack – A man drove a pickup truck into cyclists and runners along about 1 mile (2 km) of a bicycle path in Lower Manhattan, New York City. After he left the vehicle, the driver was wielding two guns (later found to be a paintball gun and a pellet gun); he was shot in the abdomen by police and arrested. An ISIS flag and a document that read either "It will endure." or "Islamic State will endure forever." in Arabic were found in the truck.
2022 The Satanic Verses author Salman Rushie was stabbed following a 1989 fatwa by Ayatollah Khomeini, condemning him for the book's allegorical presentation of the possible validity of the so-called Satanic Verses content of the Quran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
According to Fondapol, a French think tank, between 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people. On an average, during this period, an Islamist attack has resulted in the death of around 4.4 persons.
The list is very incomplete though. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ seems to have many more, usually several a day somewhere on earth.
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komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 9:04pm
komputodo
2023 Oct 27, 9:04pm
if you total up that list it would probably be less than a month in the blue cities on the usa and nobody in power seems to be concerned about that. But just use the name islamic terrorists and now "lets spend billions to combat them". Bomb their countries, kill thousands of innocents. Its all good.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 9:35pm
Patrick
2023 Oct 27, 9:35pm
True, urban black violence is a far greater immediate threat to Americans, especially to other blacks.
But long term, Islam threatens to impose total domination and the extinguishment of all freedom. Once any country turns Islamic, it is extremely difficult to get out of that. There was the Reconquista of Spain. Israel also exists on formerly Islamic land. Any other examples of liberation from Islam?
But long term, Islam threatens to impose total domination and the extinguishment of all freedom. Once any country turns Islamic, it is extremely difficult to get out of that. There was the Reconquista of Spain. Israel also exists on formerly Islamic land. Any other examples of liberation from Islam?
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gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:05pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:05pm
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
- Winston Churchill in The River War
- Winston Churchill in The River War
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gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:13pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:13pm
The basis of the obligation of jihad is the universality of the Muslim revelation. God’s words and God’s message is for all mankind; it is the duty of those who have accepted them to strive (jihada) unceasingly to convert or at least subjugate those who have not. This obligation is without limit of time or space. It must continue until the whole world has either accepted the Islamic faith or submitted to the power of the Islamic state. -- Islamic Jihad, A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery by M. A. Khan, p. 53 (search for free pdf download available on internet)
https://archive.org/details/islamic-jihad-a-legacy-of-forced-conversion-imperialism-and-slavery-m.-a.-khan_202008
https://archive.org/details/islamic-jihad-a-legacy-of-forced-conversion-imperialism-and-slavery-m.-a.-khan_202008
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gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:15pm
gabbar
2023 Oct 27, 10:15pm
The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. It has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called religious rights. When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. - Dr. Peter Hammond
Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. It has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called religious rights. When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. - Dr. Peter Hammond
Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
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HeadSet
2023 Oct 28, 5:45am
HeadSet
2023 Oct 28, 5:45am
Patrick says
Turkey went secular after WWI. The main religion in Turkey is Muslin, but nothing forced. When was in Anatolia in the 90s, I noticed no mass call to prayers, women working and living independently and in western dress, even topless beaches.
Any other examples of liberation from Islam?
Turkey went secular after WWI. The main religion in Turkey is Muslin, but nothing forced. When was in Anatolia in the 90s, I noticed no mass call to prayers, women working and living independently and in western dress, even topless beaches.
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Patrick
2023 Oct 28, 10:01am
Patrick
2023 Oct 28, 10:01am
I travelled in Turkey myself in 1988 and was surprised that they had alcohol and even bars.
Turkey has swung the other way recently though, becoming more Islamic.
Turkey has swung the other way recently though, becoming more Islamic.
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socal2
2023 Oct 28, 10:06am
Patrick says
Much of the Muslim/Arab world has become more radical and Islamist in the past 30 years. Look at pictures of women in bikinis from the 1970's in Iran (even Afghanistan).
This is why Islam is such a retrograde force and threat to humanity. They are getting worse.
Turkey has swung the other way recently though, becoming more Islamic.
Much of the Muslim/Arab world has become more radical and Islamist in the past 30 years. Look at pictures of women in bikinis from the 1970's in Iran (even Afghanistan).
This is why Islam is such a retrograde force and threat to humanity. They are getting worse.
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A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins
Dear friends,
The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!
What most Muslims will say:
Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.
What knowledgeable Muslims should say:
That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.
What the Qur'an Teaches Us:
We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).
The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).
He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.
Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.
Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.
We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.
Arabic translation الترجمة العربية
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