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Islam and Violence


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2007 Sep 11, 1:35am   612,918 views  2,897 comments

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Originally from http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

Arabic translation الترجمة العربية

See http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for more.

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2235   Reality   2023 Nov 3, 6:46am  

RWSGFY says

1) They have state-allowed pogroms in airports announced on social media several days in advance and then allowed to go on for a whole day while their security apparatus easily puts down any kind of other protest in literally minutes.


The riot only lasted a couple hours (if that long), and the social media instigating the riot turned out to be an anti-Russia propaganda operation based in Kiev. In other words, US tax dollars were being used to instigate what you are describing a pogrom incident. BTW, turned out there weren't even Jews on the plane, but some Uzbek (likely returning from vacation or business trip to Israel). Unless you count Muslims as Judaists therefore Jews, there's hardly any Jews in Dagestan, therefore impossible to have a pogrom against Jews.
2236   Reality   2023 Nov 3, 7:06am  

RWSGFY says


gabbar says


The other day someone sent me a video of Syrian soldiers shooting people and pushing them into a hole. Presumably the shot are Sunnis and the shooters are Shiites. These mfs can't get along with each other even though they follow the same psychopath's ideology. How the fook are they doing to get along with non-Muslims?

And there is one distinguishing element that's common about these bastards. A majority, about 80% or even higher, of these pig brains believe in this psychopathy.


JEWS PROVOKED THEM!!!!



Sand people living in the deserts were like Steppes people: due to the drastic fluctuations in annual rainfall, the land can experience extreme poverty and starvation every decade or so, resulting in mutual raiding and raiding nearby settled farming populations as their way of life for thousands of years. They were evolved to be somewhat psychopathic, if we want to use modern pscyhology term to describe a pre-industrial / pre-settled-farming society, very much just like population in the British isles used to be more psychopathic (as exemplified by 10x higher murder rate per 100k population before 1200) before selective marriage to more successful men in long periods of peace reshaped society into a relatively peaceful one where non-psychopaths can survive and prosper better. If you want to blame Islam for the brutal nature of living in pre-industrial desert (and steppes), then you indeed are blaming Jews (or at least scholars in Judaism) quite unfairly. If anything, the primary influence of introducing a variant of Judaism (known as Islam) to the sand people was building commercial trust, based on which collaboration across long distances became possible; it may sound hard to believe to today's people (after half a century of outside money promoting the most violent sects), Islam actually mellowed the sand people, just like Christianity mellowed Roman citizens, who previously were quite psychopathic as they were literally into blood sports and deaths as entertainment!

In the particular case cited above, the so-called "Shiite" in Syria was most likely Alawite. Alawite did not become classified as "Shiite" until 1920, when the French Mandate took place. Before that, both Sunnis and Shiites considered Alawite as non-believers. Alawite theology contains Trinity and Twelver! IMHO, they were probably closet Jews or Christians under Ottoman Caliphate rule claiming to be Muslims in order to avoid the higher tax rate. When the French Mandate arrived in 1920, the administrators deliberately chose the religious minority to graze on the majority, bureaucratically classifying them as "Shiite" (which was nearly non-existent in Syria before classifying Alawite as Shiite, and Alawites themselves didn't identify as Shiite); it's a scheme similar to artificially dividing Africans into Tutsis vs. Hutus then using the 10% Tutsis to graze on 90% Hutus, followed by periodically instigating Hutus into uprising and mass slaughtering Tutsis (who due to the perils they face in the local area would of course bank with outside banks) thereby enabling the banks to keep the money after account holders die.
2237   Patrick   2023 Nov 3, 9:23am  

Reality says

population in the British isles used to be more psychopathic (as exemplified by 10x higher murder rate per 100k population before 1200) before selective marriage to more successful men in long periods of peace reshaped society into a relatively peaceful one


I've read that England also routinely hanged men for violent crimes, thereby shifting the genetics in that way. China did the same.
2238   HeadSet   2023 Nov 3, 10:16am  

Patrick says

I've read that England also routinely hanged men for violent crimes, thereby shifting the genetics in that way.

Interesting how the English were able to conquer so much of the world using men with the violence bred out of them.
2242   Patrick   2023 Nov 3, 11:20am  

gabbar says


https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/12/a-poetic-conviction-turkish-courts-sentence-istanbul-mayor-for-speech-crime/




I often say, "Every mosque in the West is a foreign military base."

Didn't think he would come out and admit that. I know people will say he just means it metaphorically, but there is truth in it.
2243   Patrick   2023 Nov 3, 11:22am  

HeadSet says

Interesting how the English were able to conquer so much of the world using men with the violence bred out of them.


Only the impulsively violent were hanged.

The calculating violent were promoted.
2244   Patrick   2023 Nov 3, 5:52pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/apple-forced-to-shut-down-slack-channels-after-employees-start-quoting-the-quran-organizing-protests


Apple forced to shut down Slack channels after employees quoted Quran, organized protests. Let's look at a few verses that might have popped up.
2245   AD   2023 Nov 3, 9:10pm  

Patrick says

I often say, "Every mosque in the West is a foreign military base."

Didn't think he would come out and admit that. I know people will say he just means it metaphorically, but there is truth in it.


The are Shiite Muslim mosques in Boca Raton, Florida and are funded partially with Iranian support.

Recall that principal at Spanish River High School in Boca Raton who was removed due to his controversial statements about the Holocaust and stating that "some parents of students do not believe there was a Holocaust". I would not be surprised if those parents attended those Shiite Muslim mosques.

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2246   gabbar   2023 Nov 4, 4:11am  

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan was quoting this poet

2247   gabbar   2023 Nov 4, 8:55am  

Patrick says


I often say, "Every mosque in the West is a foreign military base."

Didn't think he would come out and admit that. I know people will say he just means it metaphorically, but there is truth in it.

Islam is a militaristic ideology. Muslims are the soldiers. Each, each has a different role in this matrix system.
2249   gabbar   2023 Nov 6, 3:25am  

Patrick says

The calculating violent were promoted.

These fellows become CEOs and Politicians today and rise.
2250   gabbar   2023 Nov 6, 4:33am  

Pakistan Senator justifies Holocaust

2251   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Nov 6, 7:32am  

Here's a representation of what this thread is attempting. I'll post the below quote, and say all Jews are this way.

But in reality I know these acts where committed by Zionist extremists, and do not represent the majority of the Jewish people, or their religion. Although I'm sure certain Old Testament passages where used to justify these atrocities, I know that to be a mis-representation of the Bible as a whole, just like you have mis-represented the Koran here.

If we only look for violence done by extremists, and only read the violent passages of a religious text, what other fucking conclusion would we ever draw? Your logic is ludicrous, take a step back and realize that.

"Al-Dawayima massacre - Wikipedia

Wikipedia is the source but only provides a summary still this shows why Israel is hated in the middle East because the people never forgot these slaughters

A list of Palestinians massacred by Israel

1947 Balad al-Shaykh massacre 70 Palestinians killed

1948 Deir Yassin massacre 107 Palestinians killed

1948 Ein al Zeitun massacre Between 25 and 70 Arab prisoners slaughtered
1948 Abu Shusha About 60 Muslims killed

1948 426 killed

The 1948 Palestinian expulsion from Lydda and Ramle, also known as the Lydda Death March,[1][2] was the expulsion of 50,000 to 70,000[3] Palestinian Arabs when Israeli troops captured the towns in July that year.

1948 Tantura Massacre Between 40 and 200 Arabs massacred
1948 Safsaf massacre 50 plus Arab prisoners slaughtered

1948 Saliha massacre 60-70 civilians massacred

1948

The Eilabun massacre was committed by soldiers of Israel Defense Forces during Operation Hiram on 30 October 1948. A total of 14 men from the Arab Christian village of Eilabun (Eilaboun) were killed, 12 of them executed by the Israeli forces after the village had surrendered.
1948 Sa'sa' Massacre

It was reported at the time that ten or more houses were totally or partially destroyed and 11 villagers were killed (5 of them small children).
1953 Qibya massacre

The Qibya massacre occurred during Operation Shoshana, a reprisal operation that occurred in October 1953 when Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in the West Bank, which was then under Jordan's control, and killed Palestinian civilians.

Israeli forces massacred more than sixty-nine Palestinian villagers,[1] two thirds of which were women and children.[2] Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed.

1956 Kafr Qasim massacre

The Kafr Qasim massacre took place in the Israeli Arab village of Kafr Qasim situated on the Green Line, at that time, the de facto border between Israel and the Jordanian West Bank on October 29, 1956. It was carried out by the Israel Border Police (Magav), who killed Arab civilians returning from work during a curfew of which they were unaware, imposed earlier in the day on the eve of the Sinai War.[1] In total 48 people died, of which 19 were men, 6 were women and 23 were children aged 8–17.

1956

The Khan Yunis massacre took place on 3 November 1956 perpetrated by the Israel Defense Forces in the Palestinian town of Khan Yunis and the nearby refugee camp of the same name in the Gaza Strip during the Suez Crisis.

According to Benny Morris, during an IDF operation to reopen the Egyptian-blockaded Straits of Tiran, Israeli soldiers shot two hundred Palestinians in Khan Yunis and Rafah

1956 The Rafah massacre November 12, 1956 About 100 massacred

1976

The siege of Tel al-Zaatar (Arabic: حصار تل الزعتر), alternatively known as the massacre of Tel al-Zaatar, was an armed siege of Tel al-Zaatar (meaning Hill of Thyme in Arabic), a fortified, UNRWA-administered refugee camp housing Palestinian refugees in northeastern Beirut, that ended on August 12, 1976 with the massacre of at least 1,500 people.

1976

The Sabra and Shatila massacre refers to the 1982 killings of between 460 and 3,500 civilians—mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shias—in the city of Beirut during the Lebanese Civil War.

From approximately 18:00 on 16 September to 08:00 on 18 September, the Lebanese Forces carried out the massacre while the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had the Palestinian camp surrounded.[5][6][7][8] The IDF had ordered the militia to clear out the fighters of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) from Sabra and Shatila as part of a larger Israeli maneuver into western Beirut. As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities being committed, but did not take any action to stop it.

1994

The Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, also known as the Ibrahimi Mosque massacre or the Hebron massacre,[1] was a shooting massacre carried out by Baruch Goldstein, an American-Israeli physician and extremist of the far-right ultra-Zionist Kach movement. On 25 February 1994, during the Jewish holiday of Purim,

Goldstein is considered a national Israeli hero
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2253   Patrick   2023 Nov 8, 5:56pm  

For reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks


According to Fondapol, a French think tank, between 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people. During this period, each Islamist attack resulted in the death of about 4.4 persons on average. The most common type of weapon used are explosives (43.9%). The main target of these attacks is the military (31.7%), followed by civilians (25.0%) and police forces (18.3%). Afghanistan was the country most affected by Islamist terrorism, followed by Iraq and Somalia. With at least 82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths, France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union. The majority of Islamist attacks (89.5%) were in Muslim countries and the victims were mainly Muslims, in the same proportions.[1]



2254   gabbar   2023 Nov 9, 3:47am  

The 1903 bronze plaque located in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty says give me your tired, your poor
The bronze plaque doesn't say give me asshole psychopathic goat boys infected with the parasite of Islam

2255   gabbar   2023 Nov 10, 1:40am  

Patrick says


https://twitter.com/cageyeff1/status/1718289421835854156



What pisses me off is that the politicians know this and yet they don't do anything because of their convenience, it helps them get elected. And that is all that matters. Destroying nations, cultures, societies for their power.

Making videos like this and putting it out there takes balls, this guy is a patriot, a world patriot.
UK is done, there's too many Muslims there from what I hear. A colonial power has been conquered!
2257   Blue   2023 Nov 10, 11:18am  



This is not uncommon practice in their culture.
2260   Bd6r   2023 Nov 13, 5:43am  

https://nitter.cz/AzzatAlsaalem/status/1722956925535428958#m
When we Muslims uprise in Britain we wil come Door to Door checking everyones
Islamic Status. You will be given a choice convert to Islam or be eliminated. It's as simple as that.
2261   Blue   2023 Nov 13, 10:18am  

gabbar says





Islamic Pakistan survives only on exporting terrorism as a product and service for all its existence.
2263   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 14, 6:06am  

Israel, Islam & the New Cold War | Niall Ferguson

00:00 Israel and Hamas
04:41 Israel and the West’s response
09:14 Generational support for Palestine
13:36 Global Terrorism and Radical Islam
18:25 Immigration and Assimilation
26:52 Why the Left supports Palestine
29:30 The New Cold War
38:16 Cold War I and Military Deterrence
40:36 American Fiscal Policy
46:34 Israel, Palestine and the Western World
47:55 The Pacific Cold War
53:40 Isolationism and WWIII

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_DfTlPY_UQQ&pp=ygUNbmVpbCBmZXJndXNvbg%3D%3D
2267   PeopleUnited   2023 Nov 16, 8:35pm  

NuttBoxer says


If there's a dichotomy here I can get behind, it's pro-war vs anti-war. That's real, and definitely worth examining.

Do we have a single person on this site with a US flag(any US flag, or even State flag) on their profile? What does that say about gabber, and the rest of us...

What does the American flag mean to you?

Independence from Britain and establishment of a Constitutional Republic?

The destruction of the Constitutional Government over more than 150 years of bad legislation, courts that fail to enforce the Constitution and even a federal government that refused states rights to leave the union back in Lincoln’s day?

The Empire established after WWII and America as policeman and profiteer while establishing and then subjugating and exploiting “democracies” the world over including its own people through taxation and trampling on God given rights?

Or all of the above?
2270   gabbar   2023 Nov 17, 3:03am  

RIP New York
2272   Blue   2023 Nov 20, 2:54pm  

gabbar says





He meant with goats!
2274   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 21, 8:32am  

Do Mooslims even read their own Quran?

Qur'an is saying Israel belongs to the Jews.

Why are they going against their own Qur'an?

Do they skip over these?


[Qur'an 5:20-21]

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'"

[Qur'an 17:104]

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'"



How does Quran co-exist in their heads with "There were no stinking Joos in Judea, er, Palestine prior to 1948 evah!!"?

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