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I find ignorance offensive. Sadly, it's in no short supply these days; and worse yet seems to be in high demand.
To wit, some ignoramus jackass quoting you-know-who. Hey, did you manage to crawl out of your cave long enough to actually research your misstatements denying your hero's murders in Ohio in 1987? Care to clear the record? Or do you get a wet spot in the pants playing pretend white warrior from behind your pseudo-anonymous screen name?
(And for the record, "Fuhrer" is not a verboten term in German. It is used for things like "boy scout leader", for example. But Wehrmacht wannabees don't speak German, as a general rule.)
Jeebus,
Has everyone forgotten that the main reason that rental properties are profitable over for-consumption housing has nothing to do with interest tax deduction, but the deduction of depreciation?
Let me be the first to ask a simple question:
Why do we allow people to take a tax depreciation expense over 30 years when property values "always go up"?
If that truly is the case, wouldn't you be charging landlords extra tax every year for the capital gains? Worst part is... it just gets 1031'd until the person dies and no tax is ever paid on it. Think about that for a minute. If you want to make it a level playing field, make it truly level so landlords can only deduct what homeowners can deduct, and you'll see prices change on their own and we won't be giving tax breaks to some of the richest.
Chuck Ponzi
PS, I'm a capitalist, not a socialist.
That is why Congress, the Pres, and all the hangers-on are working furiously to keep this Boomer-conceived clusterfuck that is today’s housing situation and economy. This country will never pass any laws to shoot down the “American Dream†of homeownership.
But without false hope, what would there be?
False hope is essential to any organization in succeeding:
-Startups: Stock options will turn you into googlaire.
-Religion: Heaven, reincarnation into something better, etc.
-America: Mentioned above
-Stores: Buy your way into happiness and success
Without false hope, you'd end up churning out very disgruntled people with too much free time on their hands - like suicide bombers, etc.
Real estate is saved!!!
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-stimulus25jan25,1,2503104.story?track=rss
The package also includes a provision to make refinancing mortgages easier by raising the limit to $625,500 for government-backed loans. That is expected to make more funds available to homeowners in expensive real estate markets such as Southern California who want to get out of their adjustable rate mortgages.
Mountain View condos median to be $625,500 immediately after the 4th quarter of the SuperBowl. (Go Pats!)
The legislation would temporarily raise that limit to $625,500...
Nothing is more eternal than a "temporary" government program.
They charged two bits to cross the Golden Gate bridge "temporarily" until the construction bonds were paid off. The bonds were paid off 50 years ago. Do they still charge tolls?
The more I think about it, the more I like my plan: tax cap gains as ordinary income BUT increase the basis figure year-by-year with an inflation multiplier. I think this is the thinking behind the current system but it's much too crude.
So here we are having a discussion about being altogether too generous toward 'real estates' and they raise the Jumbo limit to 6 and a quarter.
Yea Team....
What do they mean by "temporary"? Is this going to go on just long enough for FB's to re-fi out of their loan-from-hell or is this (obviously) intended for new purchase loans as well? That we could get the NAR some much needed commissions.
And I wonder what the definition of a “high cost area†will be.
Wherever people will vote for democrats.
am not a fan of Korean food but we must respect the civil liberties of those who like kimchee.
My grandmother was born in Korea in 1893, so to me kimchee is soul food. Hey, it's just Korean saurkraut!
Bad news for those who love kimchee. Seoul University published a paper linking kimchee consumption to the very high incidence of stomach cancer among Koreans (Koreans have the highest rate of stomach cancer in the world). Interestingly, statistics show that even Korean Americans have the highest and earliest incidence of stomach cancer among all Asian Americans.
The Seoul University paper was released at a time when Korean government was trying to promote Kimchee as a health food to the world. So the researchers were silenced by denied further grants for their research.
DinOR, about the "super-outrageously-generous-beyond-belief tax treatment 2nd homes get", I'm with you. I don't believe the tax code should encourage or discourage home ownership. Not even for 1 house. Imagine that, buyers assessing the actual cost of ownership instead of deluding themselves that mortgage debt is actually "wealth"?
So where were the Dems on this one? Instead of insisting on addressing the very issues we're discussing Pelosi wants to make sure even people that don't make enough to PAY taxes get a "rebate" check?
Why didn't they at least demand we enforce our current tax code? Are things really this bad?
This is actually not paranoia, I know quite a few Koreans who started having stomach cancer in their 40s.
"Stomach Cancer a Concern Among Koreans
Stomach cancer is much more common among people of Korean ancestry than other Asian groups, and death rates from this disease are highest among Koreans. The typical Korean diet, which includes many foods that are high in salt and nitrates/nitrites, may be part of the reason stomach cancer rates are so high."
Be happy, at least it is not $700K.
Now HelloKitty can stay in the US instead of moving to France.
LSR,
Can you believe this? Well... we often joked about "where was the bail-out for daytraders" and I guess we got our answer.
Hank looks a mess btw, necktie askew, shirt looks like he slept in it. Must have pulled a lot of all-nighters to come up w/ this "great steaming turd". If they're THAT concerned about shriveling tax bases from foreclosed subdivisions why don't we just enforce the tax code we have now?
Like Randy said, can't we have a little... faith in free markets? This is totally embarrassing.
I am thinking about one that allows people to worship themselves. It is about feeling good about oneself.
It already exists. It's called Boomerism.
When can we expect to get the increased conforming loan limit in effect? This will probably boost house prices, at least in the short term.
Actually, if you read some of the news articles regarding this mateer closely (i.e., CNBC) , the increase in the comforming limit is only temporary - one year.
Don't worry, the one-year temp limit will stick.
We are already on this track of "fuck the dollar, fuck the USD bagholders". If housing price starts coming down drastically, this limit will be extended for another year, another year...
So the researchers were silenced by denied further grants for their research.
Triumph of food!!!
Cancer is caused by stress, not food.
Where's the market heading? I thought we started a BEAR market. Microsoft just had a blow out Quarter. I know some of you predicted market last year as per as where DOW would end at the end of 2007. What do you think this time?
Like Randy said, can’t we have a little… faith in free markets?
Faith? Liberals are anti-faith.
If housing price starts coming down drastically, this limit will be extended for another year, another year…
Not just extended, the limits may be raised.
As long as the attitute is "how can we finance high prices" and not "how can we bring prices down to affordable levels" we will see even more creative ways to prop up prices.
A month ago, did anyone really see the "rebate" trick? Some saw a possible raise in "conforming" loans limits, but did any expect what happened? My point is, be prepared for new surprises.
OO,
Agreed. By that time it will be "given the current inflationary environment..." and become a real knee-slapper inside the Beltway.
Yuck, yuck :)
Headset,
As a matter of fact if you had tried to tell me that... even a month ago, I would have told you to curtail your "heady credit-toking ways"!
DinOR,
Nice phrase! Lots of big guns pulling for the "credit tokers." Seems Washington wants to keeep current tokers supplied and create new addicts.
People should wake up and realize that increasing conforming loan limit is a free gift to California.
The current limit for conforming loans certainly hasn't kept prices down in California. Our median price is well over the limit already. Not sure where the connection is between conforming loan limit and prices. Is there one?
I was not very clear and wrote:
> Since you can only write off $1mm of debt
Then ptiemann Says:
> What does that mean?
> writing off INTEREST ON $1mm of debt (very strict)
Yes, you can only write off the interest payments on $1mm of debt for your primary home and any vacation homes. If you have a home in Atherton with a $3mm loan at 6% and a vacation home in Tahoe with a $1mm loan at 6% you only get to write off $60K in interest payments for the year even though you paid $240K in interest just like the guy with a $500K loan on his home and a $500K loan on his vacation home.
One could argue that the AMT helps hold down home prices in CA since it excludes property tax from being a deduction. Maybe dropping the MID only for the AMT would be a palatable compromise to get the reform through congress.
Peter P Says:
> People should wake up and realize that increasing
> conforming loan limit is a free gift to California.
It is a gift to the big banks, but it was not free. The banks have had to pay millions to the politicians, but in the end it will be a great “investment†when they can unload Billions of crappy jumbo loans on to Fannie Mae…
Supposedly, it is far harder to get a jumbo (non-conforming) loan in the SF bay area these days, because investors just are not buying mortgage backed bonds at all. Thus the sudden and still unreported sudden lurch downward in Craigslist asking prices:
Call me paranoid, but I'm starting to think that the very low savings rate in America is not a "problem" but part of the master plan. Only the rich are supposed to have savings, and the rest of us are supposed to stay as close to bankruptcy as possible without going over the line, to keep us dependent on lending.
The ultimate goal being to keep extracting work from workers, forever. Thus the bailouts for debtors, to get them back working for the man rather than just giving up. And thus the emergency props for asset prices, so people don't just walk away from that monster mortgage.
In this system, to save money and refuse to borrow is treason. So of course the laws will be constantly changed to punish savers, and anyone else who tries to escape a lifetime of servitude.
DennisN :
One could argue that the AMT helps hold down home prices in CA since it excludes property tax from being a deduction.
That would be true if people actually knew about it. I have met people who have owned a mortgage for a number of years and still were not aware of this. Believe me, almost all people are financially illiterate. They do not even know what their ARM is indexed to. I am talking about the smart engineer dual income techies.
Worst case is people who bought in Windemere, San Ramon. Not only the property taxes are not deductible for them sue to AMT, but they are much higher due to melaroos.
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How about some legislation with the express intent to LOWER house prices, unlike the crap legislation we're getting from Pelosi and Barney Frank designed to make housing less affordable?
We should completely eliminate Fannie Mae, and after that, the mortgage interest income deduction.
Here are some more ideas from Steve, a patrick.net reader:
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