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What would you do with $50,000 in cash right now?


               
2010 Oct 17, 11:53am   25,241 views  42 comments

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I currently have $50,000 sitting in a savings account that pays less than 1%.

This is basically a safety net. I have very little fear of losing my job, but you never know -- shit happens.

So, I'm looking for something that is liquid enough that I can get access to it in under two weeks if I need it, but which still gives me a better return, ideally at least keeping up with inflation over the next few years.

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1   SFace   @   2010 Oct 17, 6:10pm  

Specifically, I would put

20K on PBR. with dilution behind the company and no more dilution prospectively, it will be by far the fastest growing oil/gas upstream/downstream in the world. Little downside from here, terrific upside.

10K on PHM. Trading at 80% of book value and housing starts at historic lows and no dilution prospectively, 2011 will be the year that homebuilders turn the corner. Little downside but huge upside from here. In 5 years when new homes sold are back to the 1M level, this stock will be in the 30's.

20K cash/low yield account.

2   pkennedy   @   2010 Oct 18, 3:01am  

I'm guessing that for most, holding 40% in cash wouldn't yield better results, than investing most of it. You've definitely got the potential of finding amazing bargains, so having that cash ready to jump on them probably really benefits you. While the market might get bumpy for awhile, for most, having that 40% probably wouldn't do much. Perhaps leaving 10% in Cash in case of a great bargain would be great, or in case of an emergency, but 40% seems pretty high for most investors. The other 30-35% comes in terms of easy to obtain credit for most.

This is also based on previous messages by Kevin, showing he has a good grasp on his expenditures, a good paying job and probably very employable even in the event of a job loss. Compounded with the fact that credit is extremely cheap right now, even if he needed the money, he could wait several months for the market to change direction.

3   KP   @   2010 Oct 18, 3:08am  

sell options

4   theoakman   @   2010 Oct 18, 9:17am  

Gold miners
Potash Companies
Wait for oil to go below $70 and load up on solid companies there.

5   nope   @   2010 Oct 18, 3:08pm  

The stock suggestions are good, though I'm not sure if I can invest in most of those companies with a clear conscience. I mean, Altria is responsible for Kraft singles!

With inflation picking up, it almost seems like I could throw this money in a mutual fund with a cheap, fast wire transfer, and be just as safe as anything else.

6   LarryPatrickMaloney   @   2010 Oct 18, 3:17pm  

Buy physical silver.

8   pkennedy   @   2010 Oct 20, 6:46am  

I haven't really looked at the pricing of Natural Gas, but I do know that it's price skyrockets when oil gets over a certain point, because it gets all sold to the Alberta Tar Sands, where it's used in the oil extraction process. Once it becomes cost prohibitive to use it there, the cost falls through the floor because they stop using it up there.

9   Traci   @   2010 Oct 21, 10:49am  

trade in the currency market.

10   clambo   @   2010 Oct 21, 2:46pm  

If I had $50K that was my liquid safety net, I would send it to Vanguard. I would put some into their high yield tax free bond fund. I would put some into prime money market account. I would establish a brokerage account and buy a Gold ETF based on physical gold, not gold mine stocks. Gold is not a bubble, it's naturally rising because the dollar is being debased by low interest rates and increase in the money supply by the Fed, in addition to our increasing debt. The only time gold may be falling would be when our politicians have begun to act responsibly, and the gigantic debt of mortgages and the USA has been taken care of. I predict this may not happen within 10 years, if ever. It's not risky to have up to 10% of your financial net worth in gold. You could also put a few $ into Apple (AAPL) since this profit machine is not slowing down.

11   SFace   @   2010 Oct 22, 7:21am  

I'll look into PZE as well later.

Yes, PBR dividends have been cut drastically. They raised 75B recently in stock offerig (and 60B plan debt later) for the rights and capital needed to expand production. It is a huge expansion program and taking on a lot of debt for a 150B market cap organization. Wall street is spooked so the uncertainty (and Brazil election) is taking this stock to its 52 weeks low, which i think is a good buying point. Institutions are off this equity at the moment. Like RIG, V, BP and others, they'll come back eventually.

12   B.A.C.A.H.   @   2010 Oct 23, 8:36am  

Dollar cost average into the same allocations I have now.

13   B.A.C.A.H.   @   2010 Oct 24, 10:15am  

I spent a small fraction of it on tickets for one of the World Series games scheduled to be in SF.
Not that I'm a big Giants fan, 'cause I'm not.
But one of the ladies in my life is, so mosta you fellas know how that goes.

So I bought the rights from a season ticket investor before they had even made it to the NLCS, and so based on ask prices on stubhub, I'd say they've appreciated by 50%.

Selling and watching the game on TV is out of the question, but reselling and using the profit to buy down to a lower class location is not out of the question.

Kinda like, Bay Area real estate.

14   jkl   @   2010 Oct 24, 6:39pm  

this is interesting because i really did have to just ask myself this question and the answer was start a new website and hire an employee to run it

to be more specific i've saved up about 200 thousand and i guess my options are many one option is to buy a house but thats just silly to me (a house is just volunteering to stay in one place and pay taxes or at best make a paltry return, and have a huge liability on your hands im looking for big gains), either way im going to spend it all i know inflation is only a few years away, and i want it invested in real assets not in cash

also if you cant make up your mind a Chrysler 300c SRT-8 is never a bad investment :)

15   Storm   @   2010 Oct 25, 4:14am  

25% Equity index fund - benefits during economic growth
25% Gold - benefits during inflation
25% Long-Term US Treasury Bonds - benefits during deflation
25% Cash - benefits during recession

Rebalance whenever an asset class is at 15% or 35%

This is called the Permanent Portfolio, an invention of the late Harry Browne. It has averaged 9.3% annual returns for the last 40 years, without the terrible negative years you would have had during stock market crashes. In fact, in 2008, when the market was down over 36%, if you were in PP, you would have actually had a 1.9% gain. The worst year was 1981 with only a 3.9% loss, but if you stayed around for 1982 you would have had a 23.3% gain.

http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2008/12/22/permanent-portfolio-historical-returns/

Permanent Portfolio is the only allocation you need for all your money, retirement, and savings. The best part is that it involves no market timing or guessing, and there is no gambling involved.

Nobody can predict what will happen in the future. With the PP you don't care.

16   EBGuy   @   2010 Oct 25, 5:02am  

Highly illiquid, but I'm putting around $10k (after all rebates) into a solar system right now (and then some, for a new roof). It should return (the solar), at a minimum, at least 2%. This is mostly baseline electric usage. If you're in the central valley and contending with AC bills, it seems like a no brainer as the ROI is much better on peak rates. I like to think of it as a small energy hedge.

17   nope   @   2010 Oct 25, 3:01pm  

I'm not looking for "best return on $50,000" (my long-term savings is already invested in ways that I'm pretty happy about) -- I'm only concerned about putting $50k to use in a way that stays liquid but gives a better return than my savings account.

18   pkennedy   @   2010 Oct 26, 2:30am  

Split it up into 5-10 dividend yielding stocks then. A couple REIT's, a couple of preferred stocks, a couple of common shares that yield dividends.

Since this isn't your only investment account, holding cash and trying to get other deals might not be a requirement for you. Your investing account probably has that. This will give you decent returns and give you decent security.

19   Mark_LA   @   2010 Oct 28, 9:07am  

Kevin says

The stock suggestions are good, though I’m not sure if I can invest in most of those companies with a clear conscience. I mean, Altria is responsible for Kraft singles!
With inflation picking up, it almost seems like I could throw this money in a mutual fund with a cheap, fast wire transfer, and be just as safe as anything else.

Kraft was spun out of Altria back in 2007, so you can now purchase with a clear conscience :). I actually prefer Phillip Morris International (PM) to the domestic Altria (MO), even though the dividend is less in order to compensate for more potential for growth overseas. Domestically, there's not much prospect for growth in cigarretes (thus the high dividend), but internationally, PM will take off in the next decade.

If you've ever traveled to India or Russia, you'll notice they still find smoking glamorous there, and they smoke like chimneys. Working grunts in India or Russia can't afford to buy a Mercedes as a status symbol, but can afford to buy Marlboros as a status symbol instead of the domestic brands.

As the middle class continues to grow in the BRIC countries, they will switch from the domestic brands to the glamorous foreign brands like Marlboro. That Marlboro Cowboy is still used to market these cigarretes overseas, evoking an era when America was still admired overseas.

I wouldn't buy any PM just about now since it's at its 52-week high...wait for at least a 10% pullback/correction. But as a long-term growth + earnings stock, it's a great bet.

From http://www.contrarianprofits.com/articles/has-the-best-performing-stock-gone-up-in-smoke/3166 :

"Between 1957 and 2007, Philip Morris was the single highest-returning stock in the United States. A $1,000 investment in Philip Morris in 1957 would be worth about $5.8 million today."

I'm confident I'll be able to get a similar return internationally from long-term growth in PM, as those who bought and held PM(later Altria) in 1957 did.

20   jobcat   @   2010 Oct 28, 1:50pm  

Kevin says

I’m not looking for “best return on $50,000″ (my long-term savings is already invested in ways that I’m pretty happy about) — I’m only concerned about putting $50k to use in a way that stays liquid but gives a better return than my savings account.

Here is how my liquid money is allocated:
o 100k in ING
o 100k in ultrashort bond funds
o 50k in a regular bank saving account
o 50k cash in a trading account

Interest rates suck in general.

21   Arild   @   2010 Oct 30, 5:29pm  

Sugest you look into investing in stocks in DNO International
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DNO.OL
www.dno.no

It is a liquid stock with potential. This is a oilcompany that has oilwells in Irak Kurdistan ready to export as soon the new government in Irak is in place. New government may get in place next week, 8 moths after the election. The stock has ben wildly shorted.

22   lotr1978   @   2010 Nov 9, 12:02pm  

Curious with the MO vs PM recommendation if the dollar slide against foreign currencies would further lead to price appreciation of PM over MO?

23   Vicente   @   2010 Nov 9, 2:43pm  

Veronica: "This may sound like a stupid question"
JD: "Ah, there are no stupid questions"
Veronica: "You inherit 5 million dollars the same day aliens land and say they're going to blow up the world in two days... what do you do?"
JD: "That's got to be the stupidest question i've ever heard. I guess I'd row on out into the middle of a lake, bring along a bottle of tequila, my sax and some Bach."
Veronica: "How Very."

- Heathers, 1989

24   bob2356   @   2010 Nov 19, 2:12am  

Fisk says

Also, US is one of the few countries where published govt. accounting has at least a reasonable relation to reality.

Oh yes the classic no can possibly be doing better than us line. The rest of the worlds governments lie, only the American government tells the truth. Sure, right.

25   andrewbb   @   2010 Nov 19, 8:43pm  

Physical gold. Don't trust paper promises to gold (EG. ETFs).

Or with care, you might try gold storage:
goldmoney.com
bullionvault.com
bulliondirect.com

26   Patrick   @   2010 Nov 20, 7:53am  

Since it's a safety net, I'd just keep it in FDIC insured accounts and not worry about the interest. Giving up some return is the price you pay for safety.

Even those high-dividend stocks could plummet like they did in 2008, and if you have to sell when they're down, you lose.

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