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Clarence 13X says

1. You never answered the question, what are they taking their country back from? I have no frickin clue. Politicians? Black President?

What question were you actually asking? You were simply "begging the question," meaning that it wasn't really a question in the first place... It was a statement that you already know that it means they want to take it back from a "Black President" and that any answer they or anyone else gives you to the contrary will fall upon your deaf ears on the matter.

Clarence 13X says

2. Why would I ever vote republican knowing that 50% of the party consists of the bigots who left after the passing of civil rights? Admit that they dont give a damn about poor blacks, because I have.

Good point.... Better to stick with a party that didn't kick out the "50%" who were against the passing of the civil rights bill. Robert Byrd was definitely a better person to stick with than Strom Thurmond because ... um... why again?

Clarence 13X says

3. Ward Connerly is looking to take away affirmative action educational benefits which are aimed directly at what we are discussing….reversing the black plight after slavery through education.

Yes, I got it already... You believe that in order to pay for the sins of their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers (even if those people were anti-discrimination, died for the North in the Civil War, had no ancesters in the US before 1920, etc.), non-minority children today should be second fiddle to minority children due to the sufferings of their ancesters. It is not character that matters, it is content of pigment in skin. You, sir, are nothing more than a disgusting race hustler....

Paralithodes says

Clarence 13X says
1. You never answered the question, what are they taking their country back from? I have no frickin clue. Politicians? Black President?
What question were you actually asking? You were simply “begging the question,” meaning that it wasn’t really a question in the first place… It was a statement that you already know that it means they want to take it back from a “Black President” and that any answer they or anyone else gives you to the contrary will fall upon your deaf ears on the matter.

Then let me ask the question with open ears, what is being taken back and from where?

Paralithodes says

Clarence 13X says
2. Why would I ever vote republican knowing that 50% of the party consists of the bigots who left after the passing of civil rights? Admit that they dont give a damn about poor blacks, because I have.
Good point…. Better to stick with a party that didn’t kick out the “50%” who were against the passing of the civil rights bill. Robert Byrd was definitely a better person to stick with than Strom Thurmond because … um… why again?

That would be to stick with the party that does not ignore issues of poverty and the party that passed civil rights, women rights, equal opportunity, social security, medicare, and many other programs that the party of NO denounced as terrible ideas.

Paralithodes says

Clarence 13X says
3. Ward Connerly is looking to take away affirmative action educational benefits which are aimed directly at what we are discussing….reversing the black plight after slavery through education.
Yes, I got it already… You believe that in order to pay for the sins of their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers (even if those people were anti-discrimination, died for the North in the Civil War, had no ancesters in the US before 1920, etc.), non-minority children today should be second fiddle to minority children due to the sufferings of their ancesters. It is not character that matters, it is content of pigment in skin. You, sir, are nothing more than a disgusting race hustler….

And apparently you believe that repairing the ills that resulted from that history deserve NO compassion. DO you also feel that Jews, Armenians and Sudanese deserve no sympathy for the holocausts their people suffered through?

...or is this just because poor blacks here in America are lazy in your eyes?

Clarence 13X says

And apparently you believe that repairing the ills that resulted from that history deserve NO compassion. DO you also feel that Jews, Armenians and Sudanese deserve no sympathy for the holocausts their people suffered through?

Yes, absolutely, they do, thank you so much for drawing our attention to the terrible plight of these victimized groups.
We should immediately start large-scale affirmative action programs for Jews and Armenians (those who suffered in Sudan are blacks who are already covered by the existing one). I count on the strong support of black community and expect congressional black caucus to introduce appropriate legislation without delay!

Fisk says

Yes, absolutely, they do, thank you so much for drawing our attention to the terrible plight of these victimized groups.

I agree. And what about children? There used to be child slave labor in this country, therefore, all children should receive some of that large scale affirmative action. Also, many of the Irish suffrered from all those drunk jokes, etc. They need affirmative action too. Maybe a couple of cases of Scotch for each living Irishman .... I mean ... Irishperson?

I still see no compassion in any of the comments made here. Unlike other communities who have suffered opression, blacks were systemically refused the opportunity to join the business community here in the US. It is apparently clear that no one is compassionate about what has occurred and are unwilling to add any kind of value to the discussion on how the current situations can be repaired.

Continue to turn a blind eye and pretend that the past 400 years never occurred if that makes you feel better. The black community will be fine without your empathy, just dont run to church talking about how much you love god and his mercy when you cant offer the same to others.

Clarence 13X says

blacks were systemically refused the opportunity to join the business community here in the US

The operative word is "were" as in past tense. Today, that is not the case. Literally, nothing is holding Blacks back from doing anything they want. Many Black people don’t achieve for a variety of reasons, such as lack of education, motivation, lack of training, etc. which happens to be the same reason many Whites are non-achievers. Blaming the past for present day failures is nothing but a crutch. The opportunities are there for anyone in this country to achieve their dreams. Every single Black person I know, that has been a success in their life does not dwell on past injustices. Living in the bitter past will only keep you there for the rest of your life.

RayAmerica says

Clarence 13X says

blacks were systemically refused the opportunity to join the business community here in the US

The operative word is “were” as in past tense. Today, that is not the case. Literally, nothing is holding Blacks back from doing anything they want. Many Black people don’t achieve for a variety of reasons, such as lack of education, motivation, lack of training, etc. which happens to be the same reason many Whites are non-achievers. Blaming the past for present day failures is nothing but a crutch. The opportunities are there for anyone in this country to achieve their dreams. Every single Black person I know, that has been a success in their life does not dwell on past injustices. Living in the bitter past will only keep you there for the rest of your life.

After a good nights rest and a discussion with my wife on the theories of BLACK THOUGHT, I agree 75% with your statements above. The only thing holding the people back is their "crutches" and the continued belief that they are being held down by an imaginary white man. Asians, Africans all come here and easily blend in but the continued reference to a negative history is holding the people back.

or maybe I agree 90%, as I still believe with the poor, ederly and mentally ill we need to show empathy and acknowledgement of their issues.

Clarence 13X says

I still believe with the poor, ederly and mentally ill we need to show empathy and acknowledgement of their issues.

I agree. There are people in our society that couldn't exist without the help of others. The problem is, IMO, that there are an awful lot of able bodied people that take advantage of the system that has been set up to take care of the needy, making them, in effect, leaches on the very people that these programs are designed to help by draining resources away from those that have real needs.