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Thanks, Roberto, I appreciate your advice. As a corporate attorney, I am familiar with the concept of anticipatory breach which I will keep in mind.
In the mean time, if he doesn't go along with my proposal (anticipatory settlement?), that necessarily means that he intends to list and show the property, thereby breaching anticipatorily. I'd probably have to prove anticipated damages in any lawsuit for injunctive relief. It would be a challenge to prove and monetize my loss of 'quiet enjoyment' of my home.
tenant in foreclosed house says
Thanks, Roberto, I appreciate your advice. As a corporate attorney, I am familiar with the concept of anticipatory breach which I will keep in mind.
In the mean time, if he doesn’t go along with my proposal (anticipatory settlement?), that necessarily means that he intends to list and show the property, thereby breaching anticipatorily. I’d probably have to prove anticipated damages in any lawsuit for injunctive relief. It would be a challenge to prove and monetize my loss of ‘quiet enjoyment’ of my home.
You're an attorney? That explains alot. You're intellectualizing (aka mind fucking) this whole thing a bit too much. IMHO your landlord is enjoying your rent while you're stressing over this whole thing - and in the end you'll still move.
ditto elliemae
That does explain a lot, if not everything. Do what can be done to get your deposit back and leave. If you can't get back your deposit (likely), still get out of there. You are this torqued over a drive by photo? For your own sanity, get outta there! I am easily torqued so I'm telling you: this is a net loss situation - your efforts will be for naught. You already know LL is broke. Write your letters. Make your threats. But it is only for sport b/c you know quite well how this will end. Forget the drama. As for your child, if you have to move "out of district", drive him to the school to finish out the year.
Thanks Roberto, Ditto and Elie.
At this point with all your advice (and Katy's et al.), we've let the property go (in our minds) in Katy's words. Now we're emboldened and empowered. My friend told me on the phone that all this is stressful, but dittomichael used the word "sport" which kind of hit a nerve with me. Not sure if that word captures it all. Maybe "challenge" or "opportunist"... any others?
Yeah, stressful, but my motivation is not to deprive a landlord from his unjust enrichment. My motivation is to live much less expensively until we purchase something this winter or next spring.
I want him to pay his property taxes because our son is in a very good public school (or that's its reputation among homeowners here in town. they talk up the schools all the time!) and I want to be able to say, morally, and to my neighbors that we are not freeloading off of the town. With our lower rent, he can still pay taxes. I think he is on some sort of payment plan with the Town -- we still need to check.
We're not interested in moving -- but will if we have to -- any time soon because my wife had wrist surgery two days ago (and I worked from home with my laptop, my 5 yr old hanging off my shoulders and a 14 month old hitting the "q" key while I'm drafting investor agreements) and will take a few weeks to recover. A bunch of other reasons, too, the details of which are not so relevant.
tenant in foreclosed house says
I want him to pay his property taxes because our son is in a very good public school (or that’s its reputation among homeowners here in town. they talk up the schools all the time!) and I want to be able to say, morally, and to my neighbors that we are not freeloading off of the town. With our lower rent, he can still pay taxes. I think he is on some sort of payment plan with the Town — we still need to check.
It's highly doubtful that he's paying the prop taxes. If you pay them yourself, you're crazy. Not your problem. Don't discuss it with the neighbors and the moral problem vanishes. You're paying rent to a guy who's pocketing the proceeds and you should just accept it.
Not your problem. We're beating a dead horse, here. Good luck.
I am please to say that we just closed on a three-bedroom home in the CT town we grew up in but couldn't afford four years ago when we moved back to the region from Boston as renters (in what became the house in foreclosure shortly after we moved in!).
We put down over 20%, locked in at 4.625 on a 30-yr fixed a few weeks ago (shoulda waited until this week to lock in -- have you seen the 10-yr treasury's plummet over the last two weeks?)
I don't know what our former landlord is going to do now. The oil burner (boiler) needs to be replaced. He needs to find a tenant, but first needs to make a LOT of repairs and paint inside and out. Will that prospective tenant do their due diligence and find out that he is in the foreclosure process?
Landlord was thinking that JPM would reduce his balance on the house (and on his nearby primary residence, which is also in foreclosure), but wouldn't that be absurd? (I want a modification on my stock account -- where do I get me one of those?)
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See my previous posts re: the fiasco we (wife and two small children in Connecticut NYC suburb) are in because our landlord is in foreclosure and we made an offer to purchase the property several months ago, but now bank tells him that it has to be listed and actively marketed.
We now realize:
1. Bank will never foreclose, at least not any time soon, because (i) they don't want to pay our town's high property taxes, (ii) they don't want to pay for snow plowing, shoveling and home heating oil -- winter's coming!, (iii) lawn care and landscaping (I had to buy a leaf blower, weed whacker and lawn mower), (iv) insurance, (v) repairs and upkeep, (vi) realturd sales commission, (vii) recognizing a loss on their books in this no-mark-to-market twilight zone we are living in (extend and pretend).
2. Landlord will never evict us, at least not anytime soon, because he (i) doesn't want to pay our town's high property taxes out of his own pocket (that is if he is paying it at all -- I'll have to check), (ii) doesn't want to pay for snow plowing, shoveling and home heating oil - winter's coming!, (iii) lawn care and landscaping (I had to buy a leaf blower, weed whacker and lawn mower), (iv) insurance, (v) repairs and upkeep, (vi) doesn't want to realize a forgiveness of debt of upwards of $220,000 (+interest) of debt on his books and incur "debt forgiveness" tax liability in this twilight zone we are living in (extend and pretend).
In other words, we are the only ones looking out for the property. The Bankster's creepy photos of my wife and baby on the front porch will reveal a manicured lawn, flower boxes and a scary jack-o-lantern. Not sure if his zoom lens captured the peeling paint.
Our lease is terminable upon two months' notice. We paid 2 month's security. Lease has a "shall not be listed" provision and we have a right of first refusal to match any bona fide offer to purchase from third parties.
I think it is time to agree to waive the no-listing provision in the Lease in exchange for lower rent due to the breach of landlord's covenant of quiet enjoyment. How much lower? Should I simply offer to pay the property taxes (pro-rated), insurance, and remind him that I'm paying for the heating oil and landscape maintenance? Good idea?
Thank you to Mark_LA, Katy Perry, Vain, Lurking, Roberto Aribas and others.
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