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PATRIOT ACT has a shitty name but the provisions in it aren't that big a deal.

What exactly do you object about it?

How about that it's called the Patriot Act(reference to fighters in The Revolution), when it has more in common with the policies of the British Empire at the time.

How about that it gives away half the Bill of Rights in the name of fighting "terror"(a state of mind, not a person or country that can actually EVER be defeated).

How about that it promotes endless expansion and intrusion of Federal government into the sovereign States of this union, and the private lives of citizens who just want to be left alone.

... Or did you mean besides stuff like that?

I'll note you failed to actually list a single part of the bill you think is bad.

All your above is just unfounded and vague assertions, ie bullshit.

Facts man, bring the facts. What exactly is wrong with its measures? From what I've seen they're entirely common-sensical.

Troy says

What exactly do you object about it?

Or maybe he also might have a few qualms with stuff like warrant-less surveillance, approval of military action in the US, seizure of assets without due process... maybe the fact that it utterly relinquishes any semblance of due process, violates the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments... shifts power away from the courts, removes oversight over intelligence agencies...

It was voted down today though, thanks to more Republican fumbling. We'll see how that goes...

kentm says

warrant-less surveillance

I was not aware that this was part of the act. Do you have an actual cite for this?

approval of military action in the US, seizure of assets without due process

likewise.

fact that it utterly relinquishes any semblance of due process

how?

violates the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments

how?

shifts power away from the courts, removes oversight over intelligence agencies…

how?

I see a lot of heat about PATRIOT, but very little light.