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thomas.wong1986 says

klarek says

Really? When did this happen? Sounds like somebody is dreaming of a free handout.

Just another sound bite from realtors to sway the public in believing prices have settled.

What is Tooth Fairy actually suggesting though, that foreclosures have stopped? That principal reduction is actually justified? Doesn't make sense any way you cut it, but TF obviously has an interest in seeing people become rewarded for their dumb decisions.

Klarek. Yes, Its all BS to even claim it stopped. There is plenty to come... thanks to Govt.

Mr.Fantastic says

Natural market forces.

Govt has a warped mind ! They are still in denial that home prices should be lower.
The banks would be all too willing to get rid of the FC homes ASAP, but its the govt that in the way. God almighty why dont these idiots sober up and get over it already.

We are going to have PERMANENTLY HIGH foreclosures and short sales due to the feds response to save all banks and throw bones at FB's.

This situation will never end. Its already too late. The millions of mods have been done.

Over time you might think rising home prices will fix this but those people with loan mods will simply get yet another round of free HELOC $ right on top of the mod....then default....then try to game it again with a fraudlent short sale to their brother in law or other BS (which I see all the time).

We know this will happen because this is what has happened so will keep happening. Its like crime - never goes away.

For half the country (we will call them credit junkie parasites) running up every debt you can THEN declaring bankruptcy every 7 or so years is ALREADY common. This housing policy is more free shit for them to game.

I can't pay my taxes, will I get a reduction in my taxes? it's very similar notion to paying a mortgage but the benefit is you get a deduction and now reduction in monthly payments ... what a deal!

Mr.Fantastic says

Yeah it’s weird that he would suggest the “dead beats” are already out of the system when short sales are still a big part of the market.
Principal reduction is moral hazard anyway you cut it. Obama is going about this in the wrong way. He shouldn’t force the banks to give free money away, banks only do that with government money. He should force the banks to release all the shadow inventory, and let the housing market plummet. Natural market forces.

Exactly! I have been quoting on this forum for quite while now. Forces of nature applies to economics as well. It is not in anybody's(government,banks,sellers,buyers etc..) hand to correct the current market.

I should say *most* deadbeats. Anyone who was only in it because they expected to flip is hopefully long gone by now (would be stupid not to be).

so the only people left are ones who intended to do right thing. it's not their fault the bans were playing games that caused values to plummet over 50% in some cases.

I have some sympathy for those people. banks have been bailed out now it's time to help average homeowners. Most deadbeats walked away by now anyway.

renters are not really screwed because they're able to buy a house at prices from 10 years ago.

Toothfairy, if someone is upside down on their house it is not because they made a "right decision". There are plenty of people who lived for years by simply borrowing frivolously against their house. I don't believe they need to be given another free lunch courtesy of the rest of the taxpayers.

sfproshopper says

I can’t pay my taxes, will I get a reduction in my taxes? it’s very similar notion to paying a mortgage but the benefit is you get a deduction and now reduction in monthly payments … what a deal!
On Patrick.net since 2008

Yup, I am a "distressed taxpayer" too - I need a bailout!!!

toothfairy says

I have some sympathy for those people. banks have been bailed out now it’s time to help average homeowners.

The "average" homeowner isn't underwater and doesn't need any help. The ones you're describing don't deserve any help. We've gone overboard subsidizing stupid and expensive purchases. To continue to do so or to step it up would not help our situation at all, and is immoral.

toothfairy says

renters are not really screwed because they’re able to buy a house at prices from 10 years ago.

So what? Prices will fall anyway. Suppose that it drives prices below fundamentals, investors will just scoop them up. So what's the point? What if those underwater people DON'T sell their houses? What if in ten years they sell for a nice profit and get to keep the money you're advocating should be written off of their principal balance. How is that fair?

toothfairy says

Most deadbeats walked away by now anyway.

Contingent upon those who haven't walked away yet not earning "deadbeat" status? Where do you even come up with this conclusion?

What's your real reason to see something like this happen?

bayhousehunter says

Yup, I am a “distressed taxpayer” too - I need a bailout!!!

me too. why the hell am I paying taxes to bail out some who can't manage their finances?