patrick.net

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F5e-uc9AKI

Based on what Iâ€™ve read, they over-reacted

I think you are exactly right. Sometimes someone takes an incorrect dominant position, basically saying either comply or we have a big big problem. As a teacher, I occasionally get in to that kind of disciplinary situation with children, and once I have really strongly committed to a position, I can't back down from it.

You could put it this way: Someone at the airline asserted their power over something they shouldn't have, and he called them on it. It probably would have been smart for him to comply, even if they were wrong, just to avoid all the drama. But, that doesn't mean the airline didn't screw up.

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MAGA 2011 Jun 18, 8:21am

This is the way to fly. Men in suits and ties. Ladies in conservative dress.

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marcus 2011 Jun 18, 8:32am

From the video, I can't see that he hadn't complied. By the time the pilot got involved, it looks like it was over a complaint of someting that had alread happened (or not happened - that is his not pulling his pants up over his boxers on command).

I don't care for that style at all (the pants down exposing boxers), but when did having bad taste or clothing sensibilities become a crime?

Thanks for sharing the video Ellie. Btw, the repeated "yes sir," remark is a pattern I've seen. That is clearly a kid who has problems with authority, and who is trying to suppress his anger at what he sees as extreme bullshit. IT's hard not to conclude that they should have let the kid stay and that this is blatant racism.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2011 Jun 18, 8:44am

If you can't see ass or dick, what's the problem?

What is this, a dress code for adult customers?

I see plenty of old ladies on the plane with their big birds hanging out of a too loose sun dress. There is no side cleavage - it's side nudity. Do they get escorted off the plane, too?

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Done! 2011 Jun 18, 9:56am

Look I can't get into Ginger Bay, or Spice, when I'm in flip flops and shorts, and a T-Shrit, didn't see me show my Ass until I made national news. They shoulda gave him the rubber hose treatment. That does wonders for people's morale.

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elliemae 2011 Jun 18, 10:33am

http://www.wickedlocal.com/winchester/news/opinions/letters/x104382587/Yurkovetsky-Ejected-from-US-Airways#axzz1Pg7GA7y5

...didnâ€™t see me show my Ass until I made national news. They shoulda gave him the rubber hose treatment. That does wonders for peopleâ€™s morale.

He didn't put the video online - we know this because he wasn't holding the camera nor was it in the same row as he. We don't know that he called the news - I find it doubtful that he did.

I find it sad that you believe that a young man who is complying with airline regulations should be beaten. This is one of those situations where someone should have asked whether it would be important tomorrow... or even in an hour. The answer, of course, would have been no.

jvolstad says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F5e-uc9AKI
This is the way to fly. Men in suits and ties. Ladies in conservative dress.

We get it. You're living in the past. The video clearly says it was shot in 1940.

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elliemae 2011 Jun 18, 10:58am

Might I add that US Airways has a history? It's unfortunate that their staff is allowed to act in such a manner. I've flown for years and never been treated like these people were. But then again, I've never flown US Airways.

http://blog.friendshipcircle.org/2010/10/20/person-with-cerebral-palsy-ejected-from-us-airways-flight/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4855149
http://us-airways.pissedconsumer.com/

http://blogs.forbes.com/stevedenning/2011/05/17/us-air-delta-customer-service-vs-delighting-the-customer/
http://www.yelp.com/biz/us-airways-philadelphia

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MAGA 2011 Jun 18, 11:21am

We get it. Youâ€™re living in the past. The video clearly says it was shot in 1940.

Not living in the best. Just think people can dress a little better then having pants hanging below your butt.

I attend the Silicon Valley Symphony from time to time. Same problem there. Very few bother to dress up for the performance

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elliemae 2011 Jun 18, 11:58am

I can see dressing up more for a symphony - but comfort is more important on an airplane and in the airport, where this "incident" began. Times have changed, people dress much more casually for everything.

The more that I read, it appears to be about an out-of-control airline employee who's allowed to roll that way.

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Done! 2011 Jun 18, 1:03pm

If I've got to take off my shoes at the check point, then you've got to pull up your pants. And don't get to bring my bottle of water, and have to throw away my toothpaste because liquids now are dangerous. Flyings not a democracy anymore. And like I said, if you're not outraged at the police state. Then I don't give a damn, someone can't wear their Hijab, or some Dude has to pull his Britches up. It's a different world.
FOR EVERYBODY!

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marcus 2011 Jun 18, 1:36pm

It's interesting. Basically like a test. But then we already knew, didn't we ?

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marcus 2011 Jun 18, 1:41pm

or some Dude has to pull his Britches up

So let me just get this straight. Generally speaking we aren't going to have an adult dress code for planes. But whatever some flight attendant says, regarding your clothing, if it's something you can adjust, and she is commanding you to adjust it, you better drop what's in your hands right now, I MEAN RIGHT NOW, AND DO AS SHE COMMANDED, or else be ready to be kicked off the plane?

I guess one racist asshole employee of US Air totally has the right to do whatever. And a lot of the public has the right to say, "fuck US Air" I'm not EVER going to fly that airline.

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marcus 2011 Jun 18, 1:45pm

Then again, many who see this will think, wow, US Air is my kind of airline.

Btw, I ask boys pull up their pants every now and then, although that style is somewhat over. But what I demand of a child in my classroom, is entirely different than the way an adult should be treated walking on to a plane.

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MAGA 2011 Jun 18, 2:28pm

I fly around 70K miles a year and I find that if I make the airline employee's life easier, they will do the same for me. LOL.

I still have issues with TSA grouping me because of my metal hip.

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elliemae 2011 Jun 18, 2:52pm

I guess one racist asshole employee of US Air totally has the right to do whatever. And a lot of the public has the right to say, â€œfuck US Airâ€ Iâ€™m not EVER going to fly that airline.

I'm not so sure it was racist - it seems to me that some asshole at the gate decided that the guy's pants should be pulled up, and instead of letting it go, it became about power & control. Instead of being the bigger person, the employee acted like an ass and contacted the captain to have the patient tossed off the aircraft.

Yep, they won that go 'round. And caused so much bad press for US Air in the process, it'll take a shitload of mea culpa to fix it, if that's even possible. Those links I added were of other people's experiences with the airline, including the ejection of a passenger with Cerebral Palsy. It's as if they have no control over their employees - yet their employees assert control over random passengers.

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Done! 2011 Jun 19, 12:32am

I think you can expect more instances of people being expelled from public places, for wearing their pants like a two year old, or an invalid.
People will be refused service in Restaurants, Grocery stores, public places, the Police will pull over and tell these simpletons to pull up their damn pants, especially grown men.
The Love of all things Thug Life and Low Life prisoner emulation, is over.
Only the Liberal elite embrace it, because it helps foster a culture of the low life cretins, they specialize in turning a profit, cycling through the system in one form or an other.

In other words Liberals are quick to defend these people because they are their bread and butter. Libs make a living mitigating, litigating and instigating the social problems they create.

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elliemae 2011 Jun 19, 2:28am

The Love of all things Thug Life and Low Life prisoner emulation, is over.
Only the Liberal elite embrace it, because it helps foster a culture of the low life cretins, they specialize in turning a profit, cycling through the system in one form or an other.
In other words Liberals are quick to defend these people because they are their bread and butter. Libs make a living mitigating, litigating and instigating the social problems they create.

Do you really think that this one person who was ejected from a plane after already complying is the "shot heard around the world?" If so, you need to get back on your meds.

Nice touch, blaming the situation on the Liberals. It's the fall back position people on this board take when they've got nothing else to bring to the table.

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marcus 2011 Jun 19, 2:47am

In other words Liberals are quick to defend these people because they are their bread and butter. Libs make a living mitigating, litigating and instigating the social problems they create.

My liberal position: I detest that style (the low pants boxers look) - it can't and won't last for a number of reasons. The kid was kind of a fool for not just doing what they asked (more quickly?) - something he has surely been hassled about before, when in high school.

But ultimately I think he was right, and I think very likely the airline people who chose to take it to the level they did made a FAR BIGGER MISTAKE. And I think almost certainly racism was involved.

If it had been a big shot or their child or a celebrity getting on to first class, you can be sure nothing would have been said.

Only the Liberal elite embrace it, because it helps foster a culture of the low life cretins, they specialize in turning a profit, cycling through the system in one form or an other.

Or maybe liberals just tend to be a bit more tolerant. Also they are less likely to have the same degree of racism that they need to defend and deny, doing mental gymnastics to explain how their racism isn't racism.

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Done! 2011 Jun 19, 3:09am

What it's the Liberal media reporting. He was ejected for refusing, you can't refuse then say... "OH I was just playin'" when the people you're refusing, are throwing you off the plane for being an Ass. Now means "Now Goddamn IT!"...

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Done! 2011 Jun 19, 3:27am

I think very likely the airline people who chose to take it to the level they did made a FAR BIGGER MISTAKE. And I think almost certainly racism was involved.

No, there was nothing racial about it, because ALL of the IDIOT kids, that are bent on destroying their young adult life and being caught in a perpetual state of not knowing where they fit in society, does not just effect a Race. That guy just happened to be Black. Are you saying, if they made me pull up my britches before I could board the plane, then I wouldn't have a leg to stand on, because I'm NOT BLACK?

The Youth or throwing their lives away, I've never seen so many disposible 20 year olds ever. Because all they learned in the last ten years, was "pull any shit you want" it's your right, it's all good. People owe you RESPECT, put Gold teeth in your mouth, wear pants to your knees grab your dick, talk loud any where in any situation, and demand repect the Loudest. That doesn't get them a cup of Coffee after high school. It hans'nt worked for White, Black, Latino, Chinese, Gays or the Retarded, excuse me Mentally challenged.

IN the mean time the qualified work force is older than ever in the History of American business. And the average age for the talent in American companies is growing every year.

It's not just pants on the ground, it's about a whole generation of Idiots, with their Ass showing to world, powerless to make a contribution. Other than showing their ass in public.

Way to fuck the team you tell 'em guys, fight for their right to be passed by.

The sad part is, the twenty somethings generation, siblings that are now turning 15 and 16 have no desire to take that diminished route. Because they see how that got their brothers, sisters, cousins, and their friends on the fast track to tossing pizza, or wearing fast food uniform and name tag. That's if they didn't end up in Jail, for the guys, or knocked up and dependent on welfare and food stamps with two babies daddies in Jail.

It's a lot more than just how people wear their pants, and being tolerant. I think people have been tolerant, and has taken a wait and see stance for over ten years as a whole generation of kids(all races) shit their lives away, thug worshiping.

People are fed up, in 2001 to protest the Miami Uban Beach week end, you were labeled a racist and a hater. Now there wasn't a story about the Memorial day week end debacle than didn't feature unanimous calls and cries to end it once and for all, in the news website in the comment threads.

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elliemae 2011 Jun 19, 3:28am

What itâ€™s the Liberal media reporting.

Yea - that liberal fox news reported it. We need to keep them muthafrickin' liberals off the muthafrickin' reporting beat!

I find it ironic that the only people who discussed politics in conjunction with this incident are rabidly anti-liberal. Ya'll throw out the blame on libs whenever you've nothing rational to say. It's petty and short-sighted.

Why can't this be about a guy who was thrown off an airplane after already complying with a request to pull up his pants - a request that was best left unsaid. The employee ought to be fired or suspended without pay for awhile for making this about his personal preferences and not letting it go as inconsequential. I don't believe it was about race, but I could be wrong.

But I'm positive that it's not about politics.

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marcus 2011 Jun 19, 5:07am

Are you saying, if they made me pull up my britches before I could board the plane, then I wouldnâ€™t have a leg to stand on, because Iâ€™m NOT BLACK?

For someone supposedly involved in programming you should know that:

p --> q is equivalent to ~q --> ~p (the contrapositive) , but it is not equivalent to

q --> p

Because all they learned in the last ten years, was â€œpull any shit you wantâ€ itâ€™s your right, itâ€™s all good. People owe you RESPECT, put Gold teeth in your mouth, wear pants to your knees grab your dick, talk loud any where in any situation, and demand repect the Loudest.

What a crock of shizzle. 95% of 20 year olds think that gangsta parady image is bs, and don't buy it at all. Some may like music from them, just like you might like music from 1969 hendrix or cream, it doesn't make you a heroin shooting hippie.

Itâ€™s not just pants on the ground, itâ€™s about a whole generation of Idiots, with their Ass showing to world, powerless to make a contribution. Other than showing their ass in public.

What are you, in Florida ? Do they still wear mullets in Florida? (Apologies if you were wearing one until just a few years ago). Your generalizations are ridiculous, although not sure, they might hold in parts of Florida.

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marcus 2011 Jun 19, 5:21am

I donâ€™t believe it was about race, but I could be wrong.

The racism (or classism) is just a part of it, not the entire motivation. I don't believe that the flight attendant or the pilot thought that race was a factor in the slightest.

But would it have happened if it was an attractive, rich looking 18 year old white boy getting on first class ? I think not. It may even be that the flight attendant would have commented for him to pull them up. But it wouldn't have been escalated the way it was, had he responded the exact same way Marman did.

It would be interesting to know where the pilot and flight attendant were from. I can nearly guarantee they are from either the south or from some small town in Kansas , Arkanasas, or Nebraska etc. Highly unlikely they are from a large modern metropolitan city. It's not about political party, no republican from New York City, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, or countless other cities would be so clueless.

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elliemae 2011 Jun 19, 7:32am

p â€“> q is equivalent to ~q â€“> ~p (the contrapositive) , but it is not equivalent to
q â€“> p

mmmmmmmmmmmm... I love it when you talk dirty!

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Done! 2011 Jun 19, 7:43am

Tenouncetrout says

Are you saying, if they made me pull up my britches before I could board the plane, then I wouldnâ€™t have a leg to stand on, because Iâ€™m NOT BLACK?

For someone supposedly involved in programming you should know that:

p â€“> q is equivalent to ~q â€“> ~p (the contrapositive) , but it is not equivalent to

q â€“> p

Way to dance around the question.

If it were a white guy being tossed for going Urban, with his pants on the ground, would it be a racial thing then?

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marcus 2011 Jun 19, 7:54am

If it were a white guy being tossed for going Urban,

I have no idea what that even means. I've pretty much made my case.

I think looking at what happened in its entirety, it appears that racism or classism is a factor. (It's my opinion) I also think that if someone sees this story and has the gut reaction you do (that the airline was right - not just in asking him to pull up his pants, but in kicking him off ), then they are likely either racist or otherwise an angry out of touch person with major issues.

Did you view the video ?

Watch the video, and see for yourself. There was no disrespect.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/crime/detail?entry_id=91290

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Done! 2011 Jun 19, 7:58am

That's what I thought, chicken shit.

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marcus 2011 Jun 19, 8:03am

likely either racist or otherwise an angry out of touch person with major issues.

Thatâ€™s what I thought, chicken shit.

But then, we knew that...

So you think that my opinion that this incident appears to have a racist component, can be reduced to me saying that I simply think that any time anyone asks a kid to pull up their pants its racist? Or that every time someone overreacts to someone not complying with such a request that it's racist? Sorry wrong.

Watch the video, it looked to me like the kid wouldn't let the pilot even say his piece. That is, the kid took a dominant position, saying in so many words, get away from me, because I didn't do anything wrong. The pilot couldn't handle that, and didn't understand what was happening. Had it been a rich white kid in first class, it would have been so different on so many levels.

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elliemae 2011 Jun 19, 8:07am

The story says that there's no video that shows his repeated refusals to pull his pants up. If this had been such a huge deal, surely someone would have recorded it with their phone. Pretty much everyone has one...

Marcus, when I first read your comment about racism/classism, I thought you were wrong. However, your argument made me change my mind.

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Done! 2011 Jun 19, 8:25am

Watch the video, it looked to me like the kid wouldnâ€™t let the pilot even say his piece. That is, the kid took a dominant position, saying in so many words, get away from me, because I didnâ€™t do anything wrong. The pilot couldnâ€™t handle that, and didnâ€™t understand what was happening. Had it been a rich white kid in first class, it would have been so different on so many levels.

You do know "THE CAPTAIN" is God, you'll sit and listen to every thing he has to say and you'll like it. Even if that means sitting on a tarmac for 5 hours. We're all on the plane, together. I hear ya, if you want to say enough is enough. Lets stand up against the outrageous violations of our rights and liberties, we're not going to take it anymore. But that is not the case you guys are bent because a somebody asked a grown man to pull his pants up, and that somebody, that you'll either listen to, or get off his vessel.
And this guy happened to be black. Did he get Dissed? Hmm is that how that works, that was a Diss right? Because you're supposed to respect guys with their britches hanging off their Ass, is that how that works? Am I saying it right??

Yeah BULL shit!

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elliemae 2011 Jun 19, 1:31pm

Tenoz;
Sure, the captain is the king of his ship. But he's only as good as the information that he's given.

For instance, sitting well over 5 hours on a tarmac (some as long as 11 hours). Because the plane wasn't powered up, it was hot and the bathrooms were overflowing along with the smells associated with feces and urine. And, of course, human sweat from sitting in cramped, close quarters... while other planes took off as you peered out the windows. People having panic attacks, angry... for no reason. The captain tells you to sit down and shut up. It happened.

That captain was in charge of his ship - and all he'd had to do was advise the airlines that he was returning to a gate - any gate - and he could have. But he didn't give a shit about his passengers at all. I guess that's okay with you - because he's the captain.

This guy wasn't hurting anyone. The captain over-reacted. He wasn't reasonable - and anyone can see that this guy posed no threat. You are defending someone who made a bad call based on bad info, IMHO.

But that is not the case you guys are bent because a somebody asked a grown man to pull his pants up, and that somebody, that youâ€™ll either listen to, or get off his vessel.

His pants were up. The "a somebody" to whom you refer wasn't the same somebody who ejected him from the plane. It was some dick in the airport who lost a pissing contest - not the pilot. The young man complied before he got on the airliner, but was ejected anyway.

Because youâ€™re supposed to respect guys with their britches hanging off their Ass, is that how that works? Am I saying it right??

Yep you said it right. You're supposed to respect someone whose britches were hanging off his ass. Did he hurt anyone? Did he pose a threat? Were his britches an issue on the plane? No, No, and of course, No.

You're upset because some guy you've never met had an argument with an airline employee in an airport you weren't in... it got out of hand and the guy was tossed off the plane. Your defense, in light of the info we have - that's crazy.

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Done! 2011 Jun 19, 11:16pm

Youâ€™re upset because some guy youâ€™ve never met had an argument with an airline employee in an airport you werenâ€™t inâ€¦

I'm not upset you are, that I'm not all apologetic that dude can't go Urban Thug in the Airport. Excuse me if left my protest sign at home. I don't give a shit, I fill up a legal pad, of personal insult, and indignity I have to suffer every time I fly. Oh poor Football Player has to play by the same over bearing Rules I have to. Oh Gee uh, what will we do NOW?

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simchaland 2011 Jun 20, 2:27am

Ugh! This is yet another racial micro-aggression. The airline employee may not have been thinking of race consciously. The issue is clearly about race and class which are usually linked in our society.

No matter what anyone says on this board, it's still a white man's world. Even with a black man in the White House, the system of society is still structured with white people holding power and privilege.

This is yet another example. I've seen white busty women in tank tops with nipples poking straight out exposing part of their breasts while wearing skimpy short shorts that leave nothing to the imagination and flip-flops saunter casually through an airport and board a plane wth no hassle. I've seen white boys wearing the hip hop uniform complete with saggy pants exposing their shorts or boxers get on planes without being harrassed.

I've seen young black men get harrased by people in power so many times in my career working with the urban homeless youth. White people are in a position that we can shrug off and deny such an incident because we don't experience it first hand.

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Done! 2011 Jun 20, 3:54am

Oh Sure white people don't have any self projection appearance issues, when they play the "White Trash" role...

Look people think you're on the team who's uniform you wear, Period!
If you're white and you shave your head, and wear Dingo Boots, and sport Celtic tattoos, chances are you are from the Trailer park, or trying to emulate those that are and end up on Oz.
Why is it supposed to be different for those trying glorify Urban thugs?
Miami is in deep earnest motion to stop Urban Beach Week end Memorial day. It has been going for whole decade. After Atlanta threw Freakfest out, for the same reasons, Miami has had enough. You know it's not because of the pants down around the knees, it's because of the Assholes with their pants down around their knees.

America is done Glorifying Hip Hop thugs, that's why it's only White Libs bitching and hollering about Race the loudest. Because tell you the truth, most Black people think that whole Jail culture is played out and doesn't get anyone anywhere. But poignant comments from apologetic white Liberals in NPR, glorifying them for being Poets by day, and Violent criminals by night.

Come on where's Clarence, he knows, HE Knows!

Now go sit your Ass down, the planes about to take off.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2011 Jun 20, 7:13am