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Whats the biggest threat to freedom?


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2011 Jul 2, 1:00pm   6,891 views  66 comments

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According to a recent poll the biggest threat to freedom is SPENDING AND DEFICITS. Economic terrorism brought to you by your kind and benevolent government. Vote them ALL out. Happy 4th of July - Abe.

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28   Honest Abe   2011 Jul 7, 5:11am  

Freedom implies personal responsibility, which is why liberals dread it.

29   Â¥   2011 Jul 7, 5:28am  

Bap33 says

So, why not END the welfare-forced wealth transfer- to the non-productive D-voters and see how much better everything gets.

LOL. Yes, yes, let's end welfare and see how well your new place off 99 survives as a doomstead.

30   simchaland   2011 Jul 7, 5:44am  

bob2356 says

move to Somolia or Nigeria, or Zimbabwe and be 100% free.

You can add Sudan to this list.

Where do I sign up to emigrate to one of these Libertarian paradises? I would think that all the "starve the beast," "small government," and "Libertarians" around here would salivate at the chance to go to any of these paradises to experience what total freedom is like.

Bap33 says

So, why not END the welfare-forced wealth transfer- to the non-productive D-voters and see how much better everything gets.

Since when do disenfranchised people vote? I work with these people. Most have given up on voting because they know that our government and our society doesn't just take away their voices but it shuns them and works actively against them.

All of you wingnuts should provide proof that most "D voters," as you are all calling them, are "unproductive" and only out to have the wealth transfered back to them.

We actually have proof that the government and our society is rigged so that there is a massive sucking sound. That sucking sound is the super rich elite sucking up all of the wealth out of the working middle classes and working poor classes. The statistics prove this but you all will continue to deny it because most of you don't understand the difference between opinion and fact anyway.

We have the largest income disparity since the Great Depression. It's on par with other Third World countries.

Decent first world countries pay for infrastructure that is needed for any type of economic activity within their borders, governmental services that ensure public safety and help order society so that it's productive and beneficial for everyone, education that allows all citizens to understand their government and actively participate in it, and health care to ensure that the work force remains as productive as possible while preventing expensive catastrophic illnesses that could be avoided if only every person had access to adequate preventative medicine.

This country doesn't.

We all know that the super rich don't pay their fair share. They are too busy dodging taxes to create decent paying jobs with benefits that keep the economic engine of this country going. They prefer to invest their money in foreign countries where they can legally pay slave wages offering no benefits where they can hide their profits to avoid taxation in the USA. They are parasites, pure and simple. The working classes pay more as a percentage of their income in taxes than the super rich do. That is a fact. The super rich use government and all other services more than the working classes. They buy and sell politicians. They spend years on lawsuits to remove regulations and to "protect" patents for common words in the English language, etc.

No, one of the biggest threats to freedom in this republic is that the super rich are allowed free reign to do whatever they want without having to pay for anything. They don't have to bother to reinvest profits because taxes are so low (through their tax dodging schemes through the giant holes in our tax laws that favor them) that it's not necessary to grow their businesses domestically through reinvestment. If the holes in our tax law were patched, then these "capitalists" would be compelled to reinvest in their businesses to avoid being taxed on profits.

You "libertarian," "starve the beast," "small government," wingnut types constantly moan and bitch about the alleged "class war" against the rich of this country.

The absolute fact is that for the past 30 years, at least, there has been a constant class war. The facts prove that it is the super rich that declared war on the working classes. And they are winning. It's easily seen in the income disparity, crumbling infrastructure, dismantling of public education system, the constant assault on our social safety nets, the destruction of any worker rights (especially the right to collectively bargain or unionize), removal of health benefits (which "Obamacare" won't fix because the super rich bought enough power over the process to screw it up and ensure that we must buy "insurance" from the crooks who have been screwing all of us all along), and falling real wages for the working classes.

No, the class war wasn't started by Liberals or the working poor. The Liberals and working poor have rolled over and allowed the super rich to stomp out any opposition to the massive concentration of wealth in the hands of a mere 1% in "the club."

That is one of the biggest threats to freedom period. It's the class war that was started by the super rich against the working classes that continues because the super rich own all the keys to power.

But I'm sure I'll still read insane comments about how the working classes are somehow "thuggish" for demanding their rights, living wages, benefits, and a more equitable distribution of wealth that would ensure that our economy remains competitive because it is the working classes that keep the economic engine going through consuming goods and services and creating the very goods and services that enrich the capitalists through the ability to sell them to the masses. The super rich need the working class as labor and as consumers to keep the economy running. The idle super rich produce nothing, not even their own food, so it would behoove them to be more generous to keep the economy going.

Basically, this economy has become a one-way closed system with all the wealth going up to the top removing the chance that there will be an efficient distribution of goods and services.

31   bob2356   2011 Jul 7, 5:52am  

bob2356 says

in you list the only things that are not directly consumer paid are police and fire.

They are all paid by taxes (not in very place or every circumstance so don't nitpick), but not everyone uses them. Someone who never flies pays for the air traffic control system also. Is that welfare or not? I've never had the fire department to my house, so am I giving welfare to anyone who has? What is welfare?

What the hell does it mean the productive taxpayers subsidize the non productive D-voters for the items on my list. Democrats are the only ones who vote to have schools? or roads? D-voters don't pay school taxes or road taxes some how? Have you been drinking?

Honest Abe says

Freedom implies personal responsibility, which is why liberals dread it.

So honestly abe what percentage of your income are you willing to give up to have police, roads, schools etc.? Where do you stand? Or do you just spout platitudes.

32   FortWayne   2011 Jul 7, 6:01am  

Federal Reserve.

33   Â¥   2011 Jul 7, 6:05am  

bob2356 says

Or do you just spout platitudes.

Honest Abe and others mainly deal in thought-terminating cliches, actually.

34   simchaland   2011 Jul 7, 6:19am  

I'll add this...

An economy is a system created for the distribution of goods and services.

An efficient and healthy economy distributes goods and services in a consistent way allowing for all participants to benefit, if not equally, enough that the economy remains active so that enough goods and services keep moving to where they are needed.

Our economy is one of the most inefficient economies in history. The health of the economy is deteriorating rapidly. Goods and services aren't being distributed in the most useful way to keep the economy moving efficiently or adequately.

When an economy has resources that constantly get pulled out of it and are not allowed re-enter the economic cycle, the economy becomes increasingly inefficient to the point that it will break down. The Great Depression is the most extreme example, so far, of what it looks like to constantly remove resources preventing them from re-entering the economic cycle. The most obvious symptoms present when an economy breaks down are that a large income disparity develops and wealth becomes highly concentrated among a very small minority of participants in the economy.

This is how macro-economics works in a purely capitalist economic system. Eventually resources are amassed in such a great concentration in the hands of the very few such that the economic system is unable to function.

If no one intervenes in a pure capitalist economic system to prevent the resources from being removed from an economic system completely, you have a complete break down of the economy - a depression (which is a halt in the movement of goods and services within an economy).

The role of government has been to ensure that the economic system of our county continues to function adequately enough that there is enough movement in it to prevent recessions (a major slowing of the economic movement within an economy) and depressions. The danger of removing regulation of the economy completely to create a pure capitalist economic system is that you have major recessions and depressions due to the very nature of the pure capitalist economic system.

If you have ever studied economics and you were paying attention to your studies, you understand what I've written. If not, you haven't been paying attention, haven't bothered to study economics, and/or you choose to ignore the way economies function at your peril.

35   Honest Abe   2011 Jul 7, 6:27am  

Which of the two groups, Liberals or conservatives, favors and encourages coercive collectivism, entitlement, welfare dependency, inflation, excess spending, a fiat currency, state regulation, infanticide, moral relativism, and the socialization of the major categories of human action?

Its the Liberals, isn't it? And its kinda ugly.

36   simchaland   2011 Jul 7, 6:30am  

And in a pure capitalist system, freedom as antithetical. The very few hold all the capital and the power. The rest of the people are forced to do whatever the few who hold and the capital and the power demand in order to be given the privelege of moving goods and services. It is a system where the roles of master (capital and power holder) and servant (laborer) are rigid. There is no chance for social mobility.

37   corntrollio   2011 Jul 7, 6:33am  

simchaland says

No, the class war wasn't started by Liberals or the working poor. The Liberals and working poor have rolled over and allowed the super rich to stomp out any opposition to the massive concentration of wealth in the hands of a mere 1% in "the club."

As I've mentioned before, a much better example of who engages in class warfare is best explained by this sad but true joke:

A union worker, a member of the Tea Party, and a CEO are sitting at a table.
In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it.
The CEO reaches across the table, takes 11 cookies, looks at the Tea Partier and says:
"Look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie."

38   Honest Abe   2011 Jul 7, 6:45am  

Gee, why is it when communities, municipalities, and cities are desperately trying to balance the budget they've got to go to the unions to beg for concessions?

And why is it that cities are privatizing services to help balance the budget? Could it be because "government" is the least efficient way to run anything??? (Pay increases don't matter, running over budget doesn't matter, lavish retirement doesn't matter, etc, etc, etc. Thats because its not their money and they don't care. Again, they don't care).

Government has no skin in the game and THERE IS NO UNION REPRESENTING THE TAXPAYER.

39   simchaland   2011 Jul 7, 6:50am  

Honest Abe says

Which of the two groups, Liberals or conservatives, favors and encourages coercive collectivism, entitlement, welfare dependency, inflation, excess spending, a fiat currency, state regulation, infanticide, moral relativism, and the socialization of the major categories of human action?
Its the Liberals, isn't it? And its kinda ugly.

That's not completely honest. But "talking points" used to promote propaganda rarely deal in truth.

Coercive collectivism: Conservatives allow the super wealthy power holders to force the rest of the populace to do whatever they demand in order to survive. They encourage the super wealthy to continue to collect the wealth of the country and lock it away.

Entitlement: Conservatives remove regulations on the super rich to allow them to maintain their total control over goods and services (and by extention, the people). The super rich are entitled to this role according to conservatives.

Welfare dependency: Conservatives aggressively push for government subsidies to big business which fuels the entrenchment of the entitled super rich class by distributing all capital only to the super rich.

Inflation: Conservatives do shun this. They create a massive economic depression by fascilitating the massive concentration of wealth held by the few. You don't have inflation anymore. You have deflation because no one can afford to pay for anything, except the super rich who hold all wealth. Are you trying to tell us that deflation is the answer to all of our economic woes?

Excess spending: Reagan and Bush II presided over the largest expansions of debt in US history. Aren't they conservative heros, especially St. Reagan?

A fiat currency: Conservatives clamor for the death of a fiat currency because it's hard work to continue to ensure that you have control over all the wealth of a country when a currency fluctuates. If we go back to the gold standard, it's much easier. You just lock everything away in vaults.

State regulation: Hmmm... Conservatives are for complete state regulation of people's personal lives, morals, religion, and freedom of travel (they created the Department of Homeland Security who restricts the freedom of travel). They are against regulating the economy so that it efficiently continues to distribute goods and services and prevents hoarding by the super rich. Liberals are for complete freedom in people's personal lives, moral decisions, religious expression and the ability to travel without hassle. Liberals are for regulation of the economy to ensure that the economy works efficiently to distribute goods and services to the greatest number of people ensuring that the economy continues to function efficiently.

Infanticide: Conservatives fight any program that helps mothers to take care of the children they bring into the world. Liberals fight for the right of a woman to have dominion over her own body ensuring that they can choose to have children when they can support them on their own instead of being forced to give birth to unwanted children into poverty.

Moral relativism: Conservatives talk a good game when it comes to adhering to a rigid set of moral codes. When it comes to practice they are the biggest hypocrites as evidenced by the many scandals their leaders create. Liberals support the freedom of the individual to discover for him or herself what moral code he or she should follow. There is less hypocrisy when people are allowed to discover morality for themselves and to develop as fully actualized beings who remain true to their highest selves. It's called individualism.

The socialization of the major categories of human action: Conservatives continue to advocate for government to reach into the personal lives of every citizen to ensure that all follow whatever rigid moral system they choose for the populace. They socialize losses and privatize profits. Liberals simply like to socialize. Life is happier when you enjoy it with others.

40   Honest Abe   2011 Jul 7, 7:03am  

What a pathetic, twisted rant.

"Modern liberalism's irrationality can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understood only as disorders of the psyche".

Lyle Rossiter M.D.

Dr. Rossiter has diagnosed and treated mental disorders for more than forty years and has consulted in more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases in both state and federal jurisdictions.

41   simchaland   2011 Jul 7, 7:16am  

Abe, really? Is that all you got? You've resorted to ad hominem attacks?

Guess what that means... It means you lost the argument.

Thanks for playing.

:-)

42   leo707   2011 Jul 7, 7:52am  

Honest Abe says

What a pathetic, twisted rant.

"...liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understood only as disorders of the psyche".

Bahh... that "theory" is not even an original thought. The master of the pathetic twisted rant, Michael Savage, published a book on it a year earlier:
http://www.amazon.com/Liberalism-Mental-Disorder-Savage-Solutions/dp/B000RWD3JG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310074826&sr=8-1

Don't hold your breath waiting for it to get into the DSM.

Anyway, a quote like that puts Lyle Rossiter, Jr M.D. firmly in the quack category.

I doubt you would be interested, but there is actually a lot of legitimate research into how the neurology and psychology of liberals and conservatives differ. It is much more interesting and insightful than book(s) that are not much more sophisticated than school yard name calling.

43   leo707   2011 Jul 7, 8:00am  

Honest Abe says

Whats the biggest threat to freedom?

To address the original question I think that the biggest threat to freedom is Americans turning against each other.

We live on one of the most politically divisive times, and there does not seem to be any will to make it better.

This is a huge distraction from us solving our problems.

44   MisdemeanorRebel   2011 Jul 7, 8:09am  

Honest Abe says

Lyle Rossiter M.D.

Is a "Forensic Psychiatrist", an ex-Army Officer, U Chicago grad.

I got a handle on this guy already.

45   Bap33   2011 Jul 7, 8:16am  

simchaland says

Since when do disenfranchised people vote? I work with these people. Most have given up on voting because they know that our government and our society doesn't just take away their voices but it shuns them and works actively against them.
All of you wingnuts should provide proof that most "D voters," as you are all calling them, are "unproductive" and only out to have the wealth transfered back to them.

You are correct. Most unproductive people are too lazy to vote, so they are not the most trust block, but they have been getting free bus rides and sandwiches and THAT has been working. By the way, Nobody's vote in California has been removed more blatantly that the Conservative voters of Prop 187 and 22 and 8. All conservative votes have been challenged and/or ignored by progressive/leftist/liberal judges in Cal.
But, on the second point you flipped the position I was taking. My position is that all (lets say most) unproductive/subsidized/takers, that do vote, are D-voters. I was not suggesting that all D-voters were unproductive. My appologiees if it sounded that way.

simchaland says

forced to give birth to unwanted children into poverty.

ummm, no. Were they "forced" to have unprotected sex with a fellow unproductive anti-personal-responsibility breeder? There is FREE birth control EVERYWHERE. FREE condoms, FREE pill, FREE don't-have-sex, FREE use common sense .... it is only after ALL of the other FREE ways to avoid getting pregnant are by-passed that all-of-a-sudden some chick wants to commit murder with a clear concience AS LONG AS SHE DON"T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. Wanna see the abortatoriums go away? Stop subsidizing the murders of babies through welfare. Termination by a MD can't be stopped, and never could be stopped. But, removing the WELFARE function from the equasion will change things. Those MD's like money.

Then, the sperm side of the breeding team should be held in debtors prison and forced to labor to repay the care and feeding on this "unwanted" child. Also, it is time to find those commiting statchatory(sp) rape and hold them ACCOUNTABLE for their actions. Just this one item would cut down some of the teen-breeding invaders from mexico. Lets enforce some of these old laws and see if we can get some accountablity back into breeding.

I do understand that each murdered baby is one less welfare taker in most instances. Same would be said about every child born to a gangbanger. Why not have mandatory abortion of any child fathered by a known gangbanger AND any child that has no known father AND any child fathered by a minor or carried by a minor????? Why do you think it is that the left will not support baby murder that would result in lower welfare roles?? Baby murder is not the answer to any question.

Troy says

LOL. Yes, yes, let's end welfare and see how well your new place off 99 survives as a doomstead.

lol .... I do see your point. THere is little doubt that the cancer of liberal/leftist/progressive-ism will be extreemly hard to cut away from America and they will get violent when the free-cash lever is removed. THat's what the leftist/liberal/progressive/anti-Americans have counted on from day one. Their army of 3rd generation people on welfare + the hyper-breeding invaders from the south + drug gangs VS middle class America, is going to be a very long and painful civil war. Or, productive Americans may just leave California and let the libs figure out how to pay for everything --- I bet they will wanna tax Texas and Montana next. An "inter-state" tax because all of the productive people got the hell out of mexifornia and went to Tex or Montana. lol. maybe. But, seriously, I do get your point. I have enough protection to make it interesting as they attack.

46   MisdemeanorRebel   2011 Jul 7, 8:20am  

That is one of the finest right-wing rants I have ever read.

Abortion... Breeding Brown People... Taxes... Hate America First Lib'ruls....

47   Bap33   2011 Jul 7, 8:27am  

simchaland says

Moral relativism: Conservatives talk a good game when it comes to adhering to a rigid set of moral codes. When it comes to practice they are the biggest hypocrites as evidenced by the many scandals their leaders create. Liberals support the freedom of the individual to discover for him or herself what moral code he or she should follow. There is less hypocrisy when people are allowed to discover morality for themselves and to develop as fully actualized beings who remain true to their highest selves. It's called individualism.
The socialization of the major categories of human action: Conservatives continue to advocate for government to reach into the personal lives of every citizen to ensure that all follow whatever rigid moral system they choose for the populace. They socialize losses and privatize profits. Liberals simply like to socialize. Life is happier when you enjoy it with others.

we could agree on 90% of this if only you would agree the personal accountability is a must for society to remain safe and healthy while living free. If the moral code is not used to set laws, then are you suggesting no laws? If you agree to ANY laws, then you have a moral limit. If you want to accept the natural actions of any individual, no matter how contrary they are to the rest of a social group, then you remove any connection to a basic set of morals. What I'm saying is, there are people born with a desire to do very very very bad things to other people. Some do not do those things becasue they were taught not to or they are avoiding going to prison. SOme do those things and get caught and go to prison. Are you suggesting that a person's actions should be accepted as long as that action is natural to them?

Your point about leaders not following the perfect moral code is not a reason to remove the code. It is a reason to remove the leader. When a baseball gets hit out of bounds the answer is not to move the base-line.

48   Â¥   2011 Jul 7, 8:27am  

Bap33 says

All conservative votes have been challenged and/or ignored by progressive/leftist/liberal judges in Cal.

This is because people's rights aren't up for a popular vote. If you want your conservative vote to count, don't be on the wrong side of history.

I have enough protection to make it interesting as they attack.

The Valley is #1 in the nation in car theft, so I'd recommend not leaving the house, either.

49   leo707   2011 Jul 7, 8:29am  

Bap33 says

Or, productive Americans may just leave California and let the libs figure out how to pay for everything --- I bet they will wanna tax Texas and Montana next. An "inter-state" tax because all of the productive people got the hell out of mexifornia and went to Tex or Montana. lol. maybe.

But Montana already has an "inter-state tax" on both California and Texas (more so on CA).

Montana gets $1.47 per. federal tax dollar.

Texas gets - $0.94
California gets - $0.78

LOL

50   Bap33   2011 Jul 7, 8:29am  

thunderlips11 says

That is one of the finest right-wing rants I have ever read.
Abortion... Breeding Brown People... Taxes... Hate America First Lib'ruls....

lol ... right wing? nah ... middle of America

51   Bap33   2011 Jul 7, 8:31am  

Troy says

This is because people's rights aren't up for a popular vote. If you want your conservative vote to count, don't be on the wrong side of history.

dude, the anti-gun people on here are going to get mad at you

52   Bap33   2011 Jul 7, 8:32am  

Troy says

The Valley is #1 in the nation in car theft, so I'd recommend not leaving the house, either.

no kidding. Fresno to the south and Modesto the the north.

53   Â¥   2011 Jul 7, 8:33am  

Bap33 says

My position is that all (lets say most) unproductive/subsidized/takers, that do vote, are D-voters.

Well, we know that rural states are immense tax-takers, and rural areas tend to be conservative voters.

Then there's our $900B military, also a conservative voter stronghold.

Defense is about twice the size of welfare, so I'd say you're wrong here, that Republicans are taking a lot more from the state than Democrats.

54   corntrollio   2011 Jul 7, 8:40am  

Troy says

Then there's our $900B military, also a conservative voter stronghold.

Yes, this is also why places like South Dakota get Homeland Security anti-terrorism appropriations to buy walkie talkies for their podunk Mountie-like police forces, while New York and Los Angeles, which are actual targets, get shorted on anti-terrorism funding because Congressmen from unpopulated states (especially in the Senate where they have disproportionate influence) earmark these funds instead of applying them according to common sense risk.

55   Bap33   2011 Jul 7, 8:42am  

I think you kinda proved the point that those unproductive people on the take don't, or seldom, vote. Kinda.

But, as you well know, those that do vote are D-voters.

The military is something we all should pay for because it keeps us all safe. Also, a strong military is required to have any peace.
Gov mandated welfare is forced wealth tranfers between voters. A serious problem. Freely giving at the local church still works best for helping people that need help to get help and make better choices. In my opinion.

56   leo707   2011 Jul 7, 8:42am  

corntrollio says

If "Honest" Abe had actually asked me, he could have gotten my nuanced opinion about public employee unions, which is not absolute in either direction, like his talking point is. There's no point in having the discussion.

This is where our mainstream media has failed us. They don't think critically any more or engage in honest discussion. It's all about stirring the pot without any discussion of the truth.

But, neo-con teabaggers are not interested in nuanced complex opinions or solutions. Uncompromising absolutism about anything that FOX "news" says seems to stick in their head like taffy. Even when someone agrees with them 95% of the way, all they seem interested in is screaming and complaining about the 5% bringing any solution to a grinding halt.

Main stream media has not helped peruse truth or solve any problems.

57   Bap33   2011 Jul 7, 8:44am  

corntrollio says

applying them according to common sense risk.

suggesting profiling for terror issues? I agree. It is the best way and should be used at all times. TSA first.

58   leo707   2011 Jul 7, 8:47am  

Bap33 says

Freely giving at the local church still works best for helping people that need help to get help and make better choices. In my opinion.

I agree that personal charity is very important, but it is never going to meet the "need", and often just amounts to band-aids on bullet wounds.

Also, while they have their roll in any community local churches are terrible as charity organizations. There is no accountability of funds, and often "administration fees" are huge, leaving very little money to end up helping the cause.

When I choose a charity I like the ones that have open books, and I can see how much of my money is actually going to go to the cause.

59   leo707   2011 Jul 7, 8:56am  

state says

Bap33 says

The military is something we all should pay for because it keeps us all safe. Also, a strong military is required to have any peace.

our militarys purpose is not to keep us safe or keep the peace, it is to protect american imperialism and its business interests. Its also a handy way for politicians to ship tons of money to businesses for shit we don't need - see the F22 fighter

I think that it's purpose is to keep us safe, but the system is manipulated to transfer wealth to the very rich and protect their interests.

Right, we don't need the F22, but there is a lot that we do need. That said the "wrong war" Iraq is a lot more expensive that the "right war" Afghanistan. We could probably still be "safe" with a pretty steep cut to military spending.

Just as long as we cut out all the bullshit.

60   Done!   2011 Jul 7, 9:03am  

thunderlips11 says

That is one of the finest right-wing rants I have ever read.
Abortion... Breeding Brown People... Taxes... Hate America First Lib'ruls....

Really THIS Lot has me embracing people like BapTresTres
I might not agree with what he says, all the time, but I just can't afford to be a Modern Liberal. What with the $50,000 dollar Canister Vac Cars and the $70 trip to the grocery store "to get a couple things", and the Mortgage sized monthly Health Tax for being healthy.

Besides they hate...
Fat People, Country People, Working People, Middle Class People, Church Going People, Religious People(Some people don't go to Church and the Libs, well... they don't discriminate), White people, Educated Black People, Black that don't take Liberal hand outs and aren't afraid to tell it like it is i.e. Black Republicans, and especially Republicans of any color they can't convert.

Oh and Women that marry republicans and they have a special place in hell for Republican Families.

61   Â¥   2011 Jul 7, 9:07am  

Bap33 says

The military is something we all should pay for because it keeps us all safe. Also, a strong military is required to have any peace.

$910 billion dollars. Divided by $100,000, that's 9 million jobs.

At 2' per person, that would form a line stretching 3500 miles, further than the distance from Seattle to Miami

Lots of people sucking on those teats.

62   leo707   2011 Jul 7, 9:15am  

Tenouncetrout says

I just can't afford to be a Modern Liberal.

Hey, don't sell yourself short! Sure you can, aren't liberals just do nothing, lazies sucking at the government teat?

You can afford that cant you?

63   Done!   2011 Jul 7, 11:14am  

If you have to ask, you're probably out sucking with one now.

64   simchaland   2011 Jul 7, 11:22am  

leoj707 says

Tenouncetrout says


I just can't afford to be a Modern Liberal.

Hey, don't sell yourself short! Sure you can, aren't liberals just do nothing, lazies sucking at the government teat?
You can afford that cant you?Cute Ganesha

ToT, we even share our weed. So you won't have to worry about going without when you slack off... I know that this is of the utmost importance to you so I wanted to allay your fears right off the bat just in case you want your membership card.

We only teach the secret handshake to Satan worshiping baby killing abortionists. I'm not sure if you want to go that far.

There's an old bus that's parked in front of my house at the moment. I think there are 4 hippies living in it. Their housing is rather cheap. It's free to park on the street and if you don't move it but for street sweeping you spend next to nothing on gas or maintenance. I'm sure there's always room for one more lib'ruhl hippie.

Restaurants throw out their food at the end of the day and some will give you full meals that they would just put in the dumpster anyway. Also there are food pantries and veggie give aways in Berkeley. There is a block in Oakland that collects all of their unwanted produce from their trees in their yard to give away at a food bank somewhere around the Grocery Outlet on Broadway around 30th Street.

Oh, and there are free clinics and Highland Hospital here in Oakland will do tooth extractions without insurance if you get a cavity.

65   Done!   2011 Jul 7, 11:26am  

Shit that sounds more like Big Rock Candy Mountain.

BIG ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN

One evening as the sun went down and the jungle fire was burning
Down the track came a hobo hiking and he said boys I'm not turning
I'm headin for a land that's far away beside the crystal fountains
So come with me we'll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains there's a land that's fair and bright
Where the handouts grow on bushes and you sleep out every night
Where the boxcars are all empty and the sun shines every day
On the birds and the bees and the cigarette trees
Where the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains all the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth and the hens lay soft boiled
eggs
The farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay
Oh, I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow
Where the rain don't fall and the wind don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol come a-tricklin' down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew and of whiskey too
You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There ain't no short handled shovels, no axes saws or picks
I'm a goin to stay where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

66   simchaland   2011 Jul 7, 11:27am  

Sorry, but I don't do crack or meth.

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