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Those diamond commercials and ads are very effective, it’s true.

They really are. Like Peter P said, once you equate diamonds with love, it's all over. I know a lot of women who insist on having bigger diamond rings at certain anniversaries, and wouldn't think of having had a smaller diamond than a full carat when engaged. What a waste of money.

Those diamond commercials and ads are very effective, it’s true.

I consider diamond as a make-believe currency, just a litter worse than devalued dollar.

I think oysters are nasty, but some people like them. The idea of raw shellfish is also too scary to contemplate.

I know a lot of women who insist on having bigger diamond rings at certain anniversaries, and wouldn’t think of having had a smaller diamond than a full carat when engaged.

The most successful ad campaign in human history. A "marriage tax" indeed.

I think oysters are nasty, but some people like them. The idea of raw shellfish is also too scary to contemplate.

I do like raw shrimps, lobsters, and clams. I do not like raw vegetables though.

Raw shrimp and lobster?? I've never heard of eating them uncooked. Now I like chilled shrimp, but uncooked?

Just about the only way to sell a new build, I’d imagine, when competing existing homes are dirt cheap.

I afraid they will have to further lower the construction costs. This means worse quality.

I think dirt homes will be a luxury. ;)

Raw shrimp and lobster?? I’ve never heard of eating them uncooked. Now I like chilled shrimp, but uncooked?

Yes. In sushi or sashimi. They taste very good.

I love chilled, cooked shrimps though. Best sauce for seafood: mayo!

I've had sashimi, but never heard of raw shrimp. Mayo on seafood! Maybe if you're Irish. ;)

I’ve had sashimi, but never heard of raw shrimp. Mayo on seafood! Maybe if you’re Irish.

Try Amaebi sushi next time and see if you like it. Raw scallop sushi is also good.

Mayo is really good with:

chilled crab
chilled lobster
chilled shrimps
grilled white fish

Especially garlic mayo. Okay I am really hungry now.

Sorry guys, I am turning any discussion into food discussion.

Oysters are good when fried with a thick, crunchy crust on the outside to combat the slime factor. The crust creates a nice texture so that the flavor of the oyster--which is actually quite good--can be enjoyed. At least, that's my theory. But I'm from the South, where everything is considered better fried.

And to make this related to housing...um...ummm....

Jack, the elevators probably take them up to the second floor where their home gym is located, in which they have a stair climbing machine.

(the much longer, now excised, version of this post fanned too many embers.)

@Randy H: you're getting a lot of undeserved flak for your precise explanations. Just wanted to let you know that the subtlety of your points is understood and appreciated.

Ha Ha, you Sir are way too kind :) ;)

_lurking device OFF_

Four more For Sale signs along Alpine Road off of 280 this week.

Peter is a hoss.

cheers,
prat

_lurking device ON_

They reported a drop in average price from August 2005 to August 2004.

Peter is a *F**KING* HOSS.

cheers,
prat

Thanks for clearing things up for me ScottC. I'll try to read a book about the real world sometime so I can get a clue, but first I'll have to repent for wasting the last 22 years of my life dwelling in the bizzaro world. But not until first I sleep, for I am so tired after having just arrived in Manhattan to advise yet another unwitting client who is so unware that my knowledge is but worth not one wit. Oh, why has life forsaken me so.

...now, where in the hell was that $52 subpar sashimi joint? Somewhere on 46th, if I remember correctly...

I think we're all dreaming to hope that the housing crash will create or accelerate any meaningful new housing trends. Unless "reversion" counts as a trend. Reversion to somewhat more modest accomodations, but nothing groundbreaking (NPI).

I wish it would, but the construction industry is incredibly slow to adopt new methods and technologies. I do think the conspicuous consumption crowd will take a serious hit, and it will be "trendy" (read: "necessary") again to live within one's means. But I think for most builders, that will translate into a regression in size, finish, and appliances.

But the cool kids will be doing more with less, and some of the links above point out a few different paths. Five years from now will be a great time to have a house built, if you are bored with typical construction but lack the skills to do it yourself. You'll still have to do lots of research.

I'm extremely interested to see what becomes of NOLA. With so much of the stock destroyed, but sub-replacement cost insurance settlements (or zero insurance plus the inevitable federal assistance), it's a perfect opportunity for groups of smart creative people to make an impact. If I had a contractor's license, I would be moving there right now.

Gold? Gold is great. As surfer-x (?) pointed out, it is a noble metal. It is so noble, it has the highest laser damage threshold of all metals, noble or not. So when everyone starts buying lasers and blows things up (due to negative home equity), gold is most likely to survive...it will most definitely be PRIME.

Someone asked what diamonds are good for (other than hearing the word "yes"). Besides playing records (errr...), they're used on saws for dicing processed wafers on silicon substrates. Your PC has many many chips that were separated from their identical brothers by a diamond saw.

Oysters are good with: tobasco sauce, chopped green onions, cheddar cheese, and bacon bits...all cooked on BBQ. ("Oh, that was good...what? there was an oyster in there?).

ScottC, the cow analogy was great, but why disturb such a perfectly off-topic discussion?

News, Sandicor must have ran the #'s 10 times to convince themselves, hence the delay.

Oh, and why does Michael Jackson like 28 year olds?
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'cause there're 20 of them. lol.

I’ll try to read a book about the real world sometime so I can get a clue

Oh, would you two shut up and KISS ALREADY?

Don't you two see that you're in love with each other? I mean, why can't you face that already? You're running around out there looking for something that's not even there, when everything that you dream of is right here, right here in front of you.

Now why can't you admit that?

By the way, when you see MP give him these, these'll work.

Cheers,
prat

News,
From your link, I get a 7% YOY drop in average price. That seems significant. Especially considering these are August's closed sales. So, the properties were under contract in, what, June & July I suppose?

Oh, and in case you didn't know, the next hot RE market is Yazoo City, Mississippi:
http://www.craigslist.org/sby/rfs/102372866.html

(***not investment advice***)

That ad is posted in So.SFBA CL section. lol.

News, what part of bay area are you in?
I've been tracking so. bay a bit...inventory is blipping, and I see lots of denial-type 1-3% price reductions...feel like I'm "watching paint dry", as they say. In short, nothing earth-shattering so far, but the paint does seem to be getting a little tacky.

By the way I was thinking about something earlier today:
The 1987 crash was black monday, right? What precipated, or catalyzed, this drop? Was there any significant event(s) over the weekend? I don't remember, having been an oblivious teenager at the time. Perhaps there was a week's worth of bad econ indicators that were digested over the weekend? Just curious if anyone has a take on this. And have any other stock market "crashes" occurred on a monday?

The 1987 crash was black monday, right? What precipated, or catalyzed, this drop?

I thought it was program trading, "portfolio protection", delta hedging stuff. It happened spontaneously.

How do you go from diamond mine slaves to food in one seamless seguay?

But I thought everyone has to eat something...

Oh, now I remember...

diamond -> pearl -> oyster -> seafood -> sushi

As I recall, the 1987 crash on Monday followed a significant decline on Friday. Stocks had been slipping since August of 1987.

In 1929. The same pattern occurred with stocks slipping since August with a major one-day collapse on a Tuesday.

Five of the ten worst single-day declines have occurred in the month of October. October 19, 1987 was the largest single-day decline of the DJIA in history.

Black Tuesday October 29, 1929 was the third worst day in history. Monday October 28, 1929 was actually a worse decline, and is the second worst day ever for the Dow.

Thanks for thoughts, Peter P & Zeph.
Also, found this from a 1988 "psychology today" article:
"After the October crash, Yale University economist Robert Shiller sent questionaires to 2,000 individual investors-savvy, active traders-to probe their thoughts and feelings during that tumultuous period. Shiller asked the investors to rate the importance of several events that occurred during the previous week, events later suggested by the press as having precipitated the crash: Chemical Bank's raising its prime rate, the announcement of trade deficit figures and the U.S. attack on an Iranian off station.

For the nearly 1,000 investors who responded, however, the crucial event was news concerning the market itself: some sharp drops during the preceding week and a precipitous 200-point drop on the morning of the 19th. In other words, price movements in the market were triggered chiefly by other price movements in the market.

This led to a market panic that fed on itself, the way a few people running for a theater exit and yelling, "Fire!" can stampede a whole crowd."

Shiller's been around a while, huh?
Runaway spontaneity is fascinating (well, unless it makes you miserable, i guess).

October is cursed. Must be the stars.

SJ_Jim: In other words, price movements in the market were triggered chiefly by other price movements in the market.

The exchanges (NYSE at least) created automatic suspension of trading rules in the wake of the 1987 crash to prevent a reoccurrence of this phenomenon.. I believe the trigger was a raw point decline originally, but was later (in the dot-com runup) changed to a percentage decline (10%?).

I don't know whether trading has ever been suspended by these rules.. A 10% single-day decline would be genuine drama.

A 10% single-day decline would be genuine drama.

More 10-sigma events?

Heh, found this on fool.com. Sort of a 1987 year in review on Wall Street...leading up to Oct 19, 1987. Might be a trip down memory lane for some.
Here's an excerpt:
"April 26, 1987
Wall Street law firm Davis, Polk & Wardwell reveals that it has discovered a cocaine ring operating in its office. One of the principals was tipped off by a custodian with a beeper who offered to help him sell drugs. "

I had completely forgotten about cocaine & the 80's! (and no, not because I was doing it!)
g'night anyone still reading.

derr, forgot the link:

http://tinyurl.com/7c86d

Thanks everyone for the thoughts on building. It's becoming clearer and clearer why so few people do it in the BA (aside from land scarcity). I have friends who've built their homes in other states with little trouble...but that's a whole different ballgame.

"One Realtor [the other day] called and said, 'I'm just testing my phone; it's been really quiet," Madrid said."

LOL!

I'm thinking there is going to be a new trend in Home and Garden TV programming in the coming housing crash.

Extreme Makeover: Home Edition will be replaced by
Extreme Makeover: Cardboard Box Edition

Flip This House will be replaced by
Foreclose This House

House Hunters will be replaced by
Mobile Home Park Hunters

Design Cents, currently with a $500 design budget, will actually live up to its name by switching to a $5 design budget, with themes like, how to dumpster dive for your kitchen redesign

Designers' Challenge will no longer feature spoiled yuppies doing $50K bathroom redesigns, but will instead feature bathroom redesign challenges like how to make your $2 plastic hamper look like a million bucks

Curb Appeal will feature former homeowners who once spent $100K updating their vintage Eichler, now struggling with how to look stylish yet unobtrusive while begging on the street corner in front of their former home.

"Extreme Makeover: Cardboard Box Edition"

Why does this sound so familiar? Did we already play this game and I've forgotten? If so, sorry to steal someone else's show idea. :-P

Or alternatively the "I'm a little maggot show" starring Marinawannabeya, this show will be popular as it features shallow little assholes spewing shit about respected members of an online community. It will attract all the trend sucking Gen-Y fuckbags and thier drug addled Boomer scum parents. You can even watch it in your Hummer!

Hey hows the homeshopping network going? As you are at home right now, using your charter modem.

I think there should be a new TV show called, “Desperate Renters” starring Patrick and his wife SactoQT, with their 3 triplet, loser, adult sons, HARM, Peter P and Randy H, who still live with mommy and daddy, lifelong San Francisco renters who are about to retire and have no pot to pee in.

Huh? I have nothing but an inquiring mind. I do not deserve my own show.