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Brave engineer at Google states biological facts

By someone else   Aug 7, 9:04am   6 links   6,059 views   319 comments   watch (1)   quote      

Woohoo! There is a small break in the dam holding back scientific truth about gender.

http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

A software engineer’s 10-page screed (sic) against Google’s diversity initiatives is going viral inside the company, being shared on an internal meme network and Google+. The document’s existence was first reported by Motherboard, and Gizmodo has obtained it in full.

In the memo, which is the personal opinion of a male Google employee and is titled “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber,” the author argues that women are underrepresented in tech not because they face bias and discrimination in the workplace, but because of inherent psychological differences between men and women. “We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism,” he writes, going on to argue that Google’s educational programs for young women may be misguided.

And some delightful nuggets of truth which have so far been repressed by shaming, straw-man exaggerations, and even firing of anyone with the balls to speak:

TL:DR

Google’s political bias has equated the freedom from offense with psychological safety, but shaming into silence is the antithesis of psychological safety.
This silencing has created an ideological echo chamber where some ideas are too sacred to be honestly discussed.
The lack of discussion fosters the most extreme and authoritarian elements of this ideology.
Extreme: all disparities in representation are due to oppression
Authoritarian: we should discriminate to correct for this oppression
Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.

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120   Quigley   Aug 8, 4:19pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

My statements are true. Chromosomes are NOT expressed. GENES are expressed. Saying otherwise just indicates your lack of scientific literacy.

I never said they were. I was clearly referring to the female lack of an entire chromosome worth of DNA (genes) necessary for maleness. The fact that you got confused shows that you don't understand the subject matter. I shouldnt have to spell out every detail.

Your linked paraphrase from Science Magazine reinforces my point that the Y chromosome is what makes one male. Not testosterone in the womb or really really wishing for it.

121   errc   Aug 8, 4:20pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

We all know you hate me, but making up shit isn't the way to deal with your butthurt.

----------------

Why do you think that so many people "hate" you?

You've accused me of it too, which is silly as hell.

Referring to yourself as 'we' is as tribal as it gets.

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you

122   drBu   Aug 8, 4:21pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patrick says

Can you document the directive?

This was not documented, as administration in most cases is not THAT stupid.

For a case of extremely stupid AND racist please see https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/12/16/job-ad-u-louisville-raises-questions-about-considering-race-faculty-hires.

The post (inactive but still cached here) on HigherEdJobs mostly resembled a typical ad, encouraging applicants “with a Ph.D. in physics or a related area, a strong research record and a passion for teaching” to apply. It also included a standard equal employment opportunity statement saying the University of Louisville is “an affirmative action, equal opportunity, Americans with disabilities employer, committed to community engagement and diversity, and in that spirit, seeks applications from a broad variety of candidates.”

But just under that statement, the ad continued, “The Department of Physics and Astronomy announces a tenure-track assistant professor position that will be filled by an African-American, Hispanic American or a Native American Indian [sic].”

And this did not cause mass outrage, riots, lawsuits, etc which would be expected if the ad would say "white males only".

123   Dan8267   Aug 8, 4:22pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Quigley says

I never said they were. I was clearly referring to the female lack of an entire chromosome worth of DNA (genes) necessary for maleness. The fact that you got confused shows that you don't understand the subject matter. I shouldnt have to spell out every detail.

You implied that by falsely accusing me of speaking in ignorance and citing specific statements I made that were true.

You should have to be clear what you meant, and in this case you were. You were simply trying to poison the well because you are petty. It's getting tiresome. It's repeated shit like this that got your ass banned from my threads. Try to keep the conversation on topic.

124   theoakman   Aug 8, 4:22pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

drBu says

ThreeBays says

His discourse turned unproductive due to being disrespectful to whole groups of people.

At my workplace (large university) we got directive coming from the very top to hire only a woman or a minority for the next open position. Is that discrimination or not, and how does that compare with potential minor biases in evaluation?

I'm not sure. Why don't you send an email out to the company asking? Oh that's right, you would be fired on the spot.

125   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   Aug 8, 4:25pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

You could argue that since most managers are straight guys, chicks have an overwhelming advantage in that they can volunteer blow jobs all during the work day and in the parking lot to advance their careers.

126   Quigley   Aug 8, 4:30pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

errc says

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you

Yes. This. Hell, sometimes I even agree with Dan. I even liked one of his posts the other day. I do think he's tragically wrong-headed on a myriad of different subjects, but this makes me either pity him or at the worst, become slightly annoyed. I don't hate. Hating someone is like drinking poison in the hope that your enemy dies from it. Much more damaging to the hater than the hated. I'm not a dummy so I decline to hate.

127   Quigley   Aug 8, 4:33pm     ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

Try to keep the conversation on topic

That's rich, considering your entire last six posts were entirely off topic. The topic was the google manifesto, right?!
Whatever, dude.

128   FortWayne   Aug 8, 4:35pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan you are going crazy man.

Quigley did point out there are millions of chromosomes that don't exist, that's not trivial matter. Why you want to argue there and posture, beats me for sure.

129   errc   Aug 8, 4:40pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

errc says

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you

Yes. This. Hell, sometimes I even agree with Dan. I even liked one of his posts the other day. I do think he's tragically wrong-headed on a myriad of different subjects, but this makes me either pity him or at the worst, become slightly annoyed. I don't hate. Hating someone is like drinking poison in the hope that your enemy dies from it. Much more damaging to the hater than the hated. I'm not a dummy so I decline to hate.

Good post. Hate is a strong and toxic emotion, and I reserve it for only the most toxic, harmful people.

Even then, it feels shitty and I'm quick to let it go and move on.

Ain't got no time to waste emoting so inefficiently

130   TwoScoopsMcGee   Aug 8, 4:56pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Google makes money on advertisers. Advertisers want the diversity pablum because they think it's the norm and many think it should remain the norm, and buy into Sexual Dimorphism Denialism and/or Hormone Denialism (which is what we should call it). Because it was required of them to take Training in Social Justice for any degree they got at most universities. So there it goes.

Just like Advertisers want YouTube vids on makeup application and not on "Moderate" Jihadis in Syria.

One of the best ways to mess with this is to rename popular subjects with "keywords". We could maybe call Diversity "Electronics".

131   someone else   Aug 8, 5:10pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

TwoScoopsMcGee says

One of the best ways to mess with this is to rename popular subjects with "keywords". We could maybe call Diversity "Electronics".

Yes, such coding is already being used to make it difficult to censor speech about race: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3821215/Googles-Skypes-Yahoos-Racist-trolls-slang-make-vile-slurs-online-without-caught-automatic-filters.html

We need a few more terms for sure, preferably the brand names of companies that censor politically incorrect speech.

Maybe women = Pinterest, and men = Facebook?

Heraclitusstudent says

Women need to man up

Excellent way to put it!

132   Dan8267   Aug 8, 5:24pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

errc says

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you

1. One does not disagree with facts, only opinions.
2. That's not why I said he was butthurt.
3. Coming from you that means nothing.

133   Dan8267   Aug 8, 5:26pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

FortWayne says

Quigley did point out there are millions of chromosomes that don't exist, that's not trivial matter.

Actually, no he didn't, and that's even more wrong than what he said. There aren't millions of chromosomes. You have 46 chromosomes.

134   errc   Aug 8, 5:50pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

errc says

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they hate you

1. One does not disagree with facts, only opinions.

2. That's not why I said he was butthurt.

3. Coming from you that means nothing.

Coming from you, that's a compliment.

You're still butt hurt over me pointing out that your jokes suck!! Haha. Get over yourself, honey!

You are what you hate, but don't worry, that's one tribe you are a part of. Many others just like you!

You rail on and on about conservatives and tribalism like it's sooo bad, yet you try really hard to participate! However, your words reek of someone that was never invited into many groups. Sad to be so lonely, honey

@patrick there you go, I edited it to your liking.

It's funny that in one thread you literally wished death upon me, and in another, you're protecting the thin skin of this Special Snowflake, from hearing the truth

Bizarro world

135   Dan8267   Aug 8, 7:45pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

errc says

Coming from you, that's a compliment.

In your Bizarro world, it probably is.

errc says

You're still butt hurt over me pointing out that your jokes suck!!

Sorry honey, but I never gave a damn about your opinion.

errc says

Get over yourself, honey!

Don't be jealous of my confidence simply because you are an insecure beta male cuck.

errc says

You rail on and on about conservatives and tribalism like it's sooo bad, yet you try really hard to participate! However, your words reek of someone that was never invited into many groups. Sad to be so lonely, honey

You are projecting.

However, your post does show that you really care and think a lot about me. I can't say I return the favor.

136   PeopleUnited   Aug 8, 7:51pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patrick says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

One of the best ways to mess with this is to rename popular subjects with "keywords". We could maybe call Diversity "Electronics".

Yes, such coding is already being used to make it difficult to censor speech about race: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3821215/Googles-Skypes-Yahoos-Racist-trolls-slang-make-vile-slurs-online-without-caught-automatic-filters.html

We need a few more terms for sure, preferably the brand names of companies that censor politically incorrect speech.

Maybe women = Pinterest, and men = Facebook?

Heraclitusstudent says

Women need to man up

...

Pinterest has little interest in coding, while Facebook seems to be drawn to this type of work.

137   Booger   Aug 8, 7:52pm     ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike   quote    

138   Dan8267   Aug 8, 7:57pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

There is nothing remotely liberal about Google's actions. Liberalism is exactly the solution to this problem.

139   FortWayne   Aug 8, 7:59pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

There is nothing remotely liberal about Google's actions. Liberalism is exactly the solution to this problem.

Not googles verison of liberalism

140   curious2   Aug 8, 8:01pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Patrick says

We need a few more terms for sure, preferably the brand names of companies that censor politically incorrect speech.

Maybe women = Pinterest, and men = Facebook?

That's brilliant, and you thought of it only 43 years after Gore Vidal did that in his 1974 novel Myron.

BTW, Gore Vidal was gay, and the title character Myron was a transsexual in the novel and the movie.

141   Dan8267   Aug 8, 8:18pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

FortWayne says

Not googles verison of liberalism

There is only one version of liberalism. Mislabeling something just to poison the well is not valid.

Would you accept defining conservationism as the belief in molesting children? Well, then you don't get to attack liberalism by associating it with a conservative tribe.

Liberalism is about liberty, hence the very name. It's the liberty to do whatever you want as long as you aren't infringing upon the rights of others. Just because you cannot make any convincing argument against this does not mean we will accept your lies that the exact opposite of this is connected to this.

142   errc   Aug 8, 8:19pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

errc says

Coming from you, that's a compliment.

In your Bizarro world, it probably is.

errc says

You're still butt hurt over me pointing out that your jokes suck!!

Sorry honey, but I never gave a damn about your opinion.

errc says

Get over yourself, honey!

Don't be jealous of my confidence simply because you are an insecure beta male cuck.

errc says

You rail on and on about conservatives and tribalism like it's sooo bad, yet you try really hard to participate! However, your words reek of someone that was never invited into many groups. Sad to be so lonely, honey

You are...

Lol. Look, dan finally made a funny. Congrats!

143   FortWayne   Aug 8, 8:22pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

Would you accept defining conservationism as the belief in molesting children? Well, then you don't get to attack liberalism by associating it with a conservative tribe.

I'm not comparing it, I'm just seeing what liberalism got perverted into by modern society of SJW culture.

144   Dan8267   Aug 8, 8:32pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

FortWayne says

Would you accept defining conservationism as the belief in molesting children? Well, then you don't get to attack liberalism by associating it with a conservative tribe.

I'm not comparing it, I'm just seeing what liberalism got perverted into by modern society of SJW culture.

That is the closest thing to the truth you have ever written, but it's still wrong. The left only perverts the label of liberalism, not what liberalism really is. The left tried to ride the coattails of liberalism just like the alt+right does with so-called neo-liberalism, which has nothing to do with liberalism either.

Nonetheless, you still can't make an argument against real liberalism even though you despise it.

145   FortWayne   Aug 8, 8:33pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

That is the closest thing to the truth you have ever written, but it's still wrong. The left only perverts the label of liberalism, not what liberalism really is. The left tried to ride the coattails of liberalism just like the alt+right does with so-called neo-liberalism, which has nothing to do with liberalism either.

Nonetheless, you still can't make an argument against real liberalism even though you despise it.

All right mr. smarty pants what's the difference between left and liberalism?

146   Dan8267   Aug 8, 8:42pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

FortWayne says

All right mr. smarty pants what's the difference between left and liberalism?

The question you should be asking is what's the difference between the left and the right. The two conservative tribes are nearly identical. Their differences are only arbitrary preferences like red vs blue.

Seriously, have you still not read the thread I've referred you to a dozen times by now? Read Leftists and Social Justice Warriors are Conservatives. It explains everything clearly.

147   errc   Aug 8, 10:10pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

landtof says

Dan8267 says

However, your post does show that you really care and think a lot about me. I can't say I return the favor.

you look just like a guy, a guy who's just walking down the street... that puts a lot of dick in his mouth.

Consider yourself banned!

148   Dan8267   Aug 8, 11:42pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote    

Homophobia is a sign of a weak, petty mind.

149   landtof   Aug 9, 12:15am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

errc says

Consider yourself banned!

anything to do with faggotry pulls a lot of triggers around here. we have the most sensitive gays here, folks. the most sensitive.

150   bob2356   Aug 9, 12:55am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patrick says

Note that that book and movie is as much propaganda as history, with fiction deliberately created to fill in where reality did not conform well enough to the narrative:

Is Jim Parsons' character, NASA engineer Paul Stafford, based on a real person?

No. In fact-checking the Hidden Figures movie, we learned that white collar statistician Paul Stafford, portrayed by Jim Parsons, is a fictional character. He was created to represent certain racist and sexist attitudes that existed during the 1950s.

You obviously didn't read the book you are making comments on. That's too bad, it's an excellent book. There is nothing fictionalized in it. Give it a read then come back and comment from a basis of knowing what you are talking about.

The movie is "based on" the book. There are a number of scenes, story lines, and people in the movie that didn't exist in the book. The movie makes no claim it follows the book faithfully or to be a documentary. You read that in for your own propaganda. Movies are entertainment. I have yet to see a movie that faithfully follows a non fiction book. Are they all propaganda?

Patrick says

It also exaggerates racism for propaganda purposes:

Why didn't you bold the part that said "I knew it was there". She said it existed but she personally didn't feel it. I guess you aren't above a little propaganda yourself either. Again, you need to read the book to know what you are talking about. Read the rocket girls while you are at it. Another good book about women's contribution to the space program.

151   zzyzzx   Aug 9, 7:42am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

152   zzyzzx   Aug 9, 7:43am     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

153   Dan8267   Aug 9, 7:49am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Dan8267 says

Homophobia is a sign of a weak, petty mind.

One homophobe disliked the above comment. So sad.

154   landtof   Aug 9, 6:32pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Dan8267 says

One homophobe disliked the above comment. So sad.

wasn't me dan, i thought it was pretty fucking hilarious that you and CiC wanted to meet up and make out.

155   Dan8267   Aug 9, 7:17pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

CIC was a major homophobe. I thought it would be funny to have him come to a restaurant full of gay men who would beat the crap out of him when he started his gay bashing rant, which you know he would have. Unfortunately, the coward didn't show up. I was planning on posting the video on YouTube and linking to it on PatNet. Now that would have been funny, seeing a gay bashing troll getting beat up in real life by pissed off gay men, or better yet, pissed off lesbians.

156   FortWayne   Aug 9, 7:34pm     ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's sad how authoritarian liberals get.

157   Dan8267   Aug 9, 8:24pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote    

FortWayne says

It's sad how authoritarian liberals get.

Again, you're thinking of conservatives. They are the ones that tell you that you can't
- be nude in public
- say hateful things
- swear on television and radio
- burn a flag
- fly the KKK Confederate battle flag
- marry someone of the same sex or of a different race
- blasphemy
- buy alcohol on Sundays
- watch porn
- engage in witchcraft
- like an ISIS video on Facebook
- smoke pot
- tell a cop to fuck off
- tell a judge to fuck off
- have a truly private conversation with someone

Yep, that's all conservatives. They suck.

158   centipede   Aug 9, 9:14pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

SJW and the left are not conservatives. They want change. They are progressives. It may not be change for the better. But unlike conservatives, they do not want status quo.

159   Dan8267   Aug 9, 10:05pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote    

Conservatives demand change all the time when the status quo doesn't conserve their culture. Conservatives demanded changes like
- outlawing alcohol
- outlawing various drugs including weed
- banning transgenders from serving in the military
- banning flag burning
- deregulating industry
- ending anti-trust enforcement

Conservatism is about conserving a tribe's arbitrary culture.

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