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marcus says

No bullshit right wing extremist retardation here folks. Nothing to see, just move along. Another nutjob getting creative with his hatred and ignorance.

I'm always right, I was right in 2008, you just had better liars.
This time around it wont be so easy to sell them fear and hate of the white man to get the Liberal vote.

The Tiger or the Wolf is not an enticing offer.

CaptainShuddup says

This time around it wont be so easy to sell them fear and hate of the white man to get the Liberal vote.

That's an interesting piece of denial right there.

CaptainShuddup says

you just had better liars

this is interesting too, considering how much pride you seem to take with the creativity involved in your dishonesty. I can not relate to the level of dishonesty you engage in. I truly don't believe you have any idea or care for truth. As far as I can tell this is some sort of art form for you, and it isn't about truth, at all.

And it would seem that this is how your actual beliefs work too. That's interesting in a way, but not because of any of the content of what you say. IT's just the bizarre pathology that keeps people reading your stuff.

bgamall4 says

I believe stock holding is a form of speculation. Bonds are where it is at for the wealthy.

Both obviously can be speculative. Stock holdings are equity position, whereas bonds are debt positions. Both have their places in typical investment portfolios depending on one's risk profile and inflation outlook.

marcus says

this is interesting too, considering how much pride you seem to take with the creativity involved in your dishonesty. I can not relate to the level of dishonesty you engage in. I truly don't believe you have any idea or care for truth. As far as I can tell this is some sort of art form for you, and it isn't about truth, at all.

How dare you, you muster the strength to call me "Dishonest" and a "Liar", but you don't or won't admit that Obama hasn't made one fact his whole damn presidency.

I'm just disappointing because you seem to think you know honesty where you see it. I can only hope there aren't many of you still left come 2016.

CaptainShuddup says

How dare you, you muster the strength to call me "Dishonest" and a "Liar", but you don't or won't admit that Obama hasn't made one fact his whole damn presidency.

I'm not all that happy with Obama, relative to the hope he inspired. Yeah, in some ways he turned out to be more of the same. How much better was he than if McCain or Romney were in there ? I don't know. (this is what honesty looks like)

Here's my guess: On the positive side, the government would be more functional, because while democrats will oppose a lot of what a republican admin does, it would be nothing,... NOTHING like what we've seen from a congress dominated by loony right wing extremists from redistricted districts.

On the negative side there would be more war than we have now (for certain). There would be less progress on health care, and top tax rates would probably still be lower.

I'm waiting to see what happens with Obama care. Unlike you, trying to spin what isn't even known yet, I'm waiting. But sure, there are disappointments, and questions (see what I did there ? It's called honesty). Being the more honest type person, I have acknowledged all along, that I would have rather seen us move toward medicare for all.(btw this might in the end be moving us toward that "solution" - insurance companies beware - the ACA better work - or else).

IF there were one good thing about the ACA, would you be honest enough to acknowledge it ? No, because you're nothing more than some sort of salesperson for Obama hate. You are incapable of even honestly acknowledging one good thing about the ACA to yourself.

It's that dishonestly with yourself that I have the most disrespect for. It's sad really.

marcus says

Here's my guess: On the positive side, the government would be more functional, because while democrats will oppose a lot of what a republican admin does, it would be nothing,... NOTHING like what we've seen from a congress dominated by loony right wing extremists from redistricted districts.

Marcus is the ultimate mutt. I'm one of the 30 he ignores (is that a record). The funny thing is that he thinks that government can be controlled, even more laughable by mutts of his ilk. The pertinent facts are that the government has grown geometrically under O, that is all you need to know.

That is the trouble with mutts like Marcus, they want to explain everything with math, while ignoring the future implications the ACA and Frank Dodd not to mention the long term effects of the QEs or seemingly small things like changing filibuster rules further deteriorating the Republic.

marcus says

IF there were one good thing about the ACA, would you be honest enough to acknowledge it ? No, because you're nothing more than some sort of salesperson for Obama hate. You are incapable of even honestly acknowledging one good thing about the ACA to yourself.

Oh my bad, here let me show you deep uttermost appreciation for ACA that it is...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/3rS6mZUo3fg

Bellingham Bill says

the real question is why they're wrong about absolutely everything --

GOTP claims they won the Cold War.

Now you can claim they didn't, but it's damn hard to disprove and they'll ride that one until the last Cold War children are in the ground.

marcus says

IF there were one good thing about the ACA, would you be honest enough to acknowledge it ? No, because you're nothing more than some sort of salesperson for Obama hate. You are incapable of even honestly acknowledging one good thing about the ACA to yourself.

it is liberals wet dream to be able to claim the USA has Universal Health Coverage just like the other advanced economies, regardless if it works or not. Frankly that is why Obama and very other liberal backer pushed ACA regardless of the consequences, the lies and screw ups. It doesnt matter to you if it a boondoggle, works or not, bankrupts the nation or what have you....as long as you can make a stupid claim "you care about the poor".

there ... you feel better about yourself now !

Vicente says

GOTP claims they won the Cold War.

Now you can claim they didn't, but it's damn hard to disprove and they'll ride that one until the last Cold War children are in the ground.

you rather have 20 soviet divisons parked across the East German border

you rather have the Baltic fleet with Nukes parked 15 minutes from the US Atlantic Coast...

Bellingham Bill says

the real question is why they're wrong about absolutely everything -- global warming, voodoo "supply-side" economics, the trade deficit, energy policy, eating vegetables, fiat money, evolution, etc etc.

Steak... just bloody enough with a Beer... best item on the menu!

I think vincenti can live with that....
thomaswong.1986 says

Vicente says

GOTP claims they won the Cold War.

Now you can claim they didn't, but it's damn hard to disprove and they'll ride that one until the last Cold War children are in the ground.

you rather have 20 soviet divisons parked across the East German border

you rather have the Baltic fleet with Nukes parked 15 minutes from the US Atlantic Coast...

CaptainShuddup says

Oh my bad, here let me show you deep uttermost appreciation for ACA that it is...

If I can find a really good description of exactly what the ACA does and does not do,..how it works,..that's written at the sixth grade level, and has pictures, I'll send it to you captainshuddup (or post it for you).

Here, this one has a cartoon, maybe you'll check it out, in spite of the fact that you already know everything.

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-pros-and-cons.php

I defy you to acknowledge one good thing about Obamacare..

Another couple "pros and cons" looks at Obamacare

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stream-multimedia/2013/10/3/the-pros-and-consoftheaffordablecareactinfographic.html

http://www.supplementalhealthcare.com/blog/2012/patient-protection-and-affordable-care-act-snapshot-pros-and-cons

http://www.inquisitr.com/974829/obamacare-exchanges-rates-explained-penalty-facts-pros-and-cons-affordable-care-act-bill/

thomaswong.1986 says

you rather have 20 soviet divisons parked across the East German border

As I said, it's impossible to prove or disprove. What about Lech Walesa and the Polish strikes? to Americans that has no bearing, but Poles think it was key.

I see it more like that Game of Thrones riddle.

"In a room sit three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. Who lives? Who dies?"

Power is an illusion, and allegiances and countries vanish the instant people no longer have faith in it. The Soviet Union was an incredibly unstable amalgam that could have tipped over for any number of reasons.

China is a box of paradoxes that stymies those who believe that communism must inevitably disintegrate when faced by Western Republics. I posit that if the Soviet Union had a "Nixon visit" and the Western bloc had decided that having cheap Siberian tube socks was a priority, we'd still have a Soviet Union powered by slave labor camps. Everyone would be complaining not about military movements but about all the Soviets buying up Bay Area real estate.

Bellingham Bill says

As Churchill said, democracy can be a pretty scary thing.

It's not Democracy if billions of dollars spent every year to influence all the votes. That's money voting. I think when Supreme Court decided that spending unlimited money on politics was ok, they ruined the system.

I remember the name of the case even, Citizens United vs ... FEC. It's when liberty was fatally wounded.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

If unions aren't Free to buy the government of their choice, then Freedom
has no meaning.

That man in an example is just a middle man leech on society... Worthless.

Krugman also makes this argument that rent-seeking is fine as long as the rent-takers spend their money on luxuries and whatnot.

Stiglitz has a different thesis and I side with him.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/krugman-versus-stiglitz-on-inequality-and-economic-growth

One thing about the Krugman argument I can pick out is that our economy is healthier if we build and sell 20 middle-class Hyundais vs. 1 upper-class Ferrari -- a given dollar of consumption does not result in equal wealth creation -- goods and services -- in the economy.

Well, until gasoline shortages arise and AGW kills us at least, but the point is luxury goods have a lot more embedded labor, which results in a lesser amount of total wealth for all when they are created.

I first noticed this looking at some mansion's ornate walk-in closet with some rather involved woodwork for the central wardrobe armoire thingy that held ties and whatnot. I was thinking that sure took a lot of work, but damn if it wasn't completely useless.

The rightwing counter-argument is that without having Ferraris as an aspirational good, our present system of cowboy capitalism will collapse.

I disagree, since so much of our present system is just rent-seeking and not actual creation of new wealth anyway. The worker bees making $20-150k are where the wealth-creation happens in this economy.

Bellingham Bill says

The rightwing counter-argument is that without having Ferraris as an aspirational good, our present system of cowboy capitalism will collapse.

Buy them used when they cost 1/2 or less of their original price -even with only a few thousand miles on the clock.

Funny how this form of depreciation hasn't stopped rich people from buying brand new luxury cars.